CedB Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, giemme said: Glad if I can be of any help Did I mention that while spraying Windex/IPA for cleaning, I unlock the needle and move it back and forth while twisting it, keeping the trigger pressed? It helps removing the bigger residuals and cleaning the needle shaft without having to remove it completely (hope what I've just said makes sense to you) Ciao Thanks Giorgio Nope, not mentioned before but I'll add that to 'the process', thanks! 1 hour ago, keefr22 said: It makes perfect sense to me G, & what a great idea! Keith Indeed! Anything to make the airbrush 'perform' 44 minutes ago, Azgaron said: Some more work both sanding and filling, I guess, and it will look nice! I'd go for a change of filter! Håkan Thanks Håkan - changed! 8 minutes ago, stevehnz said: Best I say nothing I feel. Steve. Thanks Steve I hope I haven't offended anyone but those references are SO appropriate. I hope this is the last round of filler (PPP) before the proper primer coat: That'll get wet sanded when dry - I can't use the usual wet finger / cotton bud method now as the seams / dents are so shallow it just wipes the filler out. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, CedB said: I hope I haven't offended anyone but those references are SO appropriate. I'm more offended than an offended thing in an offended things shop..... Except I have absolutely no idea what said references refer to! I thought the numbers were the latest update versions of some software packages.... The unfortunate thing was that shortly before you posted a bunch of Jehova's Witnesses had descended on the street - a little later & I could have given them a quiz & tested their knowledge!! Keith 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, keefr22 said: Except I have absolutely no idea what said references refer to... Proverbs 26:11 - As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and tomorrow. Just having a pause before I glue on the sticky out bits. I now realise the 'plate thingy' in between the exhausts on one side will cover up my careful filling and sanding 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 "Bufton The Accelerator" Blimey Ced I turn my back for a short while and you have switched scales, added media and planned architectural recolouring for V Bombers I'd better stay in Blighty for a bit or you will be building the Starship Enterprise or summat... I like what you have done with this old bugger, I built an early moulding to be used as a shop display at EDModels many years ago when Ed was producing the Falklands War underwing Shrike missile white metal parts for the aftermarket Happy days, however I digress, I had a fresh moulding to work with and got it looking OKish but nowhere near as tasty as this I'm pondering your having to paint the beast without tubes up her pipes, would it help to paint the undersides first then support the DRYly painted side on three cocktail sticks held upright on a board The points will leave very tiny contact marks, easily fixed or sanded off to finish the model off nicely 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just a thought based on a thought I think I thought when I saw that photo of 558 in her Maritime glory Didn't she look 'very well' in three colour can with the "hrmph hrmmmph maritime pod stuff' hanging off her wings I think that's the 558 I'd have built But I don't do B I G any more... 😇 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, perdu said: or you will be building the Starship Enterprise or summat... Haven't you found that thread yet then Bill?! Good trip? I enjoyed the TV coverage, but nothing like being there... Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, perdu said: "Bufton The Accelerator" Blimey Ced I turn my back for a short while and you have switched scales, added media and planned architectural recolouring for V Bombers I'd better stay in Blighty for a bit or you will be building the Starship Enterprise or summat... I like what you have done with this old bugger, I built an early moulding to be used as a shop display at EDModels many years ago when Ed was producing the Falklands War underwing Shrike missile white metal parts for the aftermarket Happy days, however I digress, I had a fresh moulding to work with and got it looking OKish but nowhere near as tasty as this I'm pondering your having to paint the beast without tubes up her pipes, would it help to paint the undersides first then support the DRYly painted side on three cocktail sticks held upright on a board The points will leave very tiny contact marks, easily fixed or sanded off to finish the model off nicely Thanks Bill Are you back then? Hope you had a good trip matey. How will I paint her? Very carefully... I have a plan in my tiny mind. 3 hours ago, perdu said: Just a thought based on a thought I think I thought when I saw that photo of 558 in her Maritime glory Didn't she look 'very well' in three colour can with the "hrmph hrmmmph maritime pod stuff' hanging off her wings I think that's the 558 I'd have built But I don't do B I G any more... 😇 I don't think I'll be doing big again! Oh wait, I have a Sunderland in the stash... 1 hour ago, keefr22 said: Haven't you found that thread yet then Bill?! Good trip? I enjoyed the TV coverage, but nothing like being there... Keith Underside, not following the instructions but this: Mrs B needs chauffeuring into town in a minute so other sticky out bits later... 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Sticky out bits? They're not the same on XH558 as they are in the kit, are they? Hmmm. I can swap 104/5 easily but I think 101 goes under the wing? Pitots are OK. I may even scratch the V-shaped aerial under the cabin. Probe plastic inserted ready for filler and metal tomorrow: 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 10 hours ago, CedB said: Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and tomorrow. Never used to be like that when religion didn't come on until 4 in the afternoon. Now it's 24 hours a day it's nowt but repeats.... Vulcanic activity here continues to impress Ced. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 haven't been able to catch for a few days but this has come on leaps and bounds, and is certainly gulping down it's fair share of filler. For those shallow seams - have you considered gluing in stretched runner then sanding that down ? please note I have studiously avoided the several double entendre traps that you left as bait in the posts above. Everyone else is also being very polite I see. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Thanks Tony Thanks Hendie - stretched sprue, now that's a great tip Talking of tips, the probe housing should be more like this I think: Once I've had approval (or silence) on the sticky out bits I'll bang those on and then prime the bare bits. Then onto the masks... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, hendie said: Everyone else is also being very polite I see. Unlikely, we're probably just to thick to latch on to them, some of us anyhow. Steve. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 8 hours ago, stevehnz said: Unlikely, we're probably just to thick to latch on to them, some of us anyhow. You had to give the game away Steve...... Keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 So you're including yourself in the "some" are you Keith, we happy band of clean living but slightly slow on the up take. Steve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I do like the words 'slightly slow' Steve...! K 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 P'haps "deliberate" would convey it in a more flattering fashion. Steve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks Steve and Keith "Deliberate" is much better than "slightly slow" Not true of either of you, I'm sure... Sticky out bits are on, probe tip masked and final primer coat on: I'm going to use Colourcoats on this one and I don't want to waste any paint by spraying a complete single colour coat on this HUGE model, so my plan is to mask and spray one colour and then mask and spray the other. Madness? Perhaps. But if I cut paper masks for the wings then I should be able to crack on without too much pain... Trouble is, each wing surface is more or less A4. I'll have to do multiple masks then. I scanned the scheme, imported it to Silhouette Studio (yes, I'm going to let the machine do the cutting) and split the scheme into four files, one for each wing surface. I've tried 'trace' on the image but this is the best I could get: It will take an age to remove the random shapes so I may 'freehand and adjust', AFTER I've sized the image properly. Later chaps... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, CedB said: mask and spray one colour and then mask and spray the other. Madness? I must be mad too then Ced, as I often do it that way. Or is it just that I'm tight?! All this technology coming into modelling is fascinating, even if I could never be bothered to learn how to use it now! K 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azgaron Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Sounds like a good method Ced! Would like to have a silhouette plotter/cutter too. Looks like a bit of work, but makes it easier once you get to mask and paint. Håkan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks Kieth - nice to know I'm not completely nuts! Thanks Håkan - sometimes it's just easier to use BluTak but this one's far too big for me to do that and get the pattern right! One problem though - it doesn't fit on A4: See the red box? That's the paper. OK, plan B, cut the green bits as masks. I found that, if I fiddled with the 'low pass' settings I could get a rough shape and the adjust that: … as I've done with the one on the top left. The plan is to cut the masks from film and then 'do a Giorgio' and mark the edges of the masks with thinned paint, then spray the area inside the line, mask it and spray the rest. If you see what I mean... 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, CedB said: I scanned the scheme, imported it to Silhouette Studio (yes, I'm going to let the machine do the cutting) Scaling up the instructions in the photocopier then using a scissors seems to be 'so yesterday' doesn't it Vulcan is fairly coming on now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 hours ago, CedB said: and then 'do a Giorgio Are you actually sure you want to do that??? Just kidding, it sounds like a great idea - the painting/masking sequence, I mean 😉 😄 Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Sorry to disagree guys but it's a lot of effort to save paint. Next time Ced, build a smaller subject. Stuart 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark4700 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just a note of warning. I’m sure the Airfix instructions give a stereotypical pattern for ant Vulcan. XH558’s scheme is similar but different. When I did my build I copied the pattern in pencil by hand from pictures of the real aircraft. In some areas I remember there were quite big differences. Just thought I’d mention it, not sure how accurate you are wanting it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 16 hours ago, Scimitar said: Scaling up the instructions in the photocopier then using a scissors seems to be 'so yesterday' doesn't it Vulcan is fairly coming on now. Thanks Scimitar - still a use for scaled schemes IF they don't need adjusting. Trouble is I've had a few kits where the scheme isn't the same shape as the plastic! 10 hours ago, giemme said: Are you actually sure you want to do that??? Just kidding, it sounds like a great idea - the painting/masking sequence, I mean 😉 😄 Ciao Thanks Giorgio 9 hours ago, Courageous said: Sorry to disagree guys but it's a lot of effort to save paint. Next time Ced, build a smaller subject. Stuart Thanks Stuart But it is a LOT of paint! I think the saved bits will probably do three or four normal sized models! 7 hours ago, Mark4700 said: Just a note of warning. I’m sure the Airfix instructions give a stereotypical pattern for ant Vulcan. XH558’s scheme is similar but different. When I did my build I copied the pattern in pencil by hand from pictures of the real aircraft. In some areas I remember there were quite big differences. Just thought I’d mention it, not sure how accurate you are wanting it. Thanks Mark Good warning... I'll have a look, even though I've already cut the masks for the underside of the wings Edit: Mark I've checked the scheme against the pictures in the walk around and on the 'net and the scheme looks good to me. It's an insert in this kit and has 2009/2010 in the title so perhaps they've upgraded it for the 'starter kit'? There will be a short pause while I attend to some non-modelling tasks... back soon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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