AdrianMF Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Hu 81 Pale Yellow? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 From somewhat later in the war, in North Africa, I believe. Chris 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: Thanks Adrian. The reason I asked about the bomb colour was because the box cover picture shows green bombs with yellow bands but as you say I have seen yellow bombs with red stripes before, like on the Airfix Sunderland. Im not sure about yellow bombs, I wonder if anyone knows why they were painted yellow ? I know nowadays that we are obsessed with hi-vis but surely this wasn't a health and safety thing back in those days cheers Pat Quick history lesson ! The reason the bombs were painted Buff is because of the Victorian Royal Navy! When in the late 19th century the RN started to use shells in their guns with modern nitrate based explosives, they introduced a marking system for the different types in use and a colour ring method of indicating their purpose and what types of explosive fill. The colour code for high explosive was overall light buff, probably as the RN had a lot in stock as it was a colour long used on the superstructure of RN ships (check out HMS Victory and HMS Warrior Funnels and masts!) This colour system was then adopted by the Army for their HE shells. The first RNAS aerial bombs, in 1912-14, (the RNAS were the pioneers of aerial bombing) as part of the RN used the established marking system, and all bombs used in WW1 were Light Buff and the aerial bomb marking system used this colour up to 1941/42 when the bronze green was introduced for camouflage reasons. That did not mean that the Buff colour was superseded, the naval and army HE shells remained in that colour. In fact the colour system remained in British forces use. It was added to and amended as new types of weaponry was introduced. It was finally abandoned in 1964 when the UK adopted the standardised NATO marking system. It could still be seen into the 1970's as bombs were repainted only when required by the servicing regime, (IIRC bombs were repainted every 10 years so 1974 would probably be the outside date). In WW2 If you saw a Green bomb with Yellow bands this was a US manufactured bomb. The green was Olive Drab and the yellow bands indicated HE in the US National ammunition marking system. The number of bands indicated the type of explosive. The US manufactured bombs were interchangeable with British bombs, Lancasters could frequently be seen with both types of bombs loaded to the same aircraft at the same time. British HE bombs were overall light buff with a red band around the nose cap to indicate a live fill and a Eau de nil coloured band "around the bombs widest point," with the type of explosive fill stencilled on this band. Look at some naval shells at the "Explosion" museum at Portsmouth. the front ones are in the original colour scheme showing variations of hazard bands (different hazards, different coloured bands) used over the years, the shells behind are in the modern NATO scheme. Naval shells Selwyn Edited July 13, 2018 by Selwyn 12 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Thanks Selwyn, I really appreciate you taking the time to explain that in so much detail, that's the brilliant thing about BM, I am always learning something new. Buff with red bands it shall be then. cheers Pat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamevender Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I think those buff bombs are actually yellow ones that have had the paint scraped off in the bomb dump and have a patina of rust starting. The tails are clean as they are attached just before use. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, AdrianMF said: Hu 81 Pale Yellow? Thanks Adrian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, gamevender said: I think those buff bombs are actually yellow ones that have had the paint scraped off in the bomb dump and have a patina of rust starting. The tails are clean as they are attached just before use. Hi Gamevender Dont worry given the standard of my painting I promise they will look suitably shabby ! cheers Pat 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 This is how the buff/yellow paint got to look so rough. ROYAL AIR FORCE: OPERATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA, 1939-1943.. © IWM (CM 4115) IWM Non Commercial License Chris 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 1:37 AM, dogsbody said: This is how the buff/yellow paint got to look so rough. ROYAL AIR FORCE: OPERATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA, 1939-1943.. © IWM (CM 4115) IWM Non Commercial License Chris Thanks Chris They should have gone for a Stirling rather than a Halifax, because the Stirling came with its own tractor and bomb trolleys...... Yes I know Cheers Pat 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I've never built this kit. Yet one of my spares boxes contains part 51, the closed bomb bay doors?!? I always wondered what it was from. Now I know. Love those old instructions. I always meant to build one (yer Honour) but wondered what it would look like on floats 'a la' He115. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawzer Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: I always meant to build one (yer Honour) but wondered what it would look like on floats 'a la' He115. 🤔 only one way to find out.........😁 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 A bit more progress, undercarriage assembled and hung in lower wing half. Wings now have the tops fitted and are drying. Bomb racks glued to aircraft Bomb bay floor, I need to paint the crew but small paint brush is in the bedroom along with a sleeping Mrs Jockney. Yes to answer the question I'm not man enough to risk waking her up to retrieve it so it will wait till tomorrow Now if only I had something else to build.... cheers Pat 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, JOCKNEY said: Wings now have the tops fitted and are drying. Bomb racks glued to aircraft Bomb bay floor, I need to paint the crew but small paint brush is in the bedroom along with a sleeping Mrs Jockney. Yes to answer the question I'm not man enough to risk waking her up to retrieve it so it will wait till tomorrow Now if only I had something else to build.... cheers Pat I know what you mean! Chris 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, dogsbody said: I know what you mean! Chris I didn't know she had a sister ! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventora3300 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 5 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: I didn't know she had a sister ! .... and your paintbrush won't be that long so you'll come within arm's reach! Get a cup of tea on to take in for a distraction! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawzer Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 @dogsbody , @JOCKNEY - playing with fire gentlemen!!!!!! 🤣 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Lawzer said: @dogsbody , @JOCKNEY - playing with fire gentlemen!!!!!! 🤣 Yes we are all very brave when safely out of earshot of SWMBO aren't we ! 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 Goodness me it's been over a month since I updated this build and it's slipped to page 4 of the builds Progress below Yes I know the bombs look as rough as a badgers bottom but I will either paint them when fitted or leave them to replicate the lived in look of one ones in the actual photos above. Plan for tonight is to get the crew installed and the fuselage closed up. Why did this take minutes when we were younger and now seems to take an age ! cheers Pat 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Ha Ha - You may have forgot about it Pat - but I didn't - now get yer finger out I have one in the stash and need all the tips I can get. ...just getting comfy... Steve 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, BIG X said: Ha Ha - You may have forgot about it Pat - but I didn't - now get yer finger out I have one in the stash and need all the tips I can get. ...just getting comfy... Steve Thanks Steve No pressure then eh ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I too have just acquired one of these in 1998 grey plastic and apart from the ship builders yard rivets applied all over it, believe that the general dimensions and shape look quite good. I think the wingtips might need a little squaring off but that’s no biggie. I’m also watching on Pat, so good to see you back on with this one. The pressure has just been risen a tad! Cheers.. Dave 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Nice to see this one being kept afloat. (Ahem). 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 Goodness me with the time extension there should be no excuses about not getting this one completed As you can see, i didn't spend too long worrying about injection marks on the crew, no one is going to see then once the fuselage is closed up. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawzer Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Nice! Looking forward to the next step! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Looking good Pat, nice painting of the one Pilot and three other poor crewmen praying to god wishing they won’t get trapped into that narrow fuselage! All wishful thinking I’m afraid. Cheers.. Dave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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