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RAGATIGER

Ukrania Russia in Krimea 1/72

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Hi there

 

I don't really know if this been asked before as I normally go around aircraft forums, so please help me 

 

I'm a braille scale modeller and right now only have got a couple of Modelcraft T-64 but wonder what other models I can use in order to do Ukraine and Russian backed Separatis

 

Best day

 

Armando

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I'm guessing you mean Modelcollect T-64s?  If you have those you made a good start.  The T-72B1 is the next best candidate, also available from Modelcollect:

 

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Both the T-72B3 and the T-90A have also 'mysteriously appeared' in the hands of seperatists, but they were presumably just on a short vacation as the DPR/LPR certainly aren't showing any off at their parades:

 

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DPR T-72B1 obr. 1985

 

dan-news.info-2018-05-03_07-38-29_554393

DPR T-64BV

 

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T-90 on holiday

 

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T-90A also on holiday, with some of the locals

 

Taken from this excellent, but somewhat offbeat thread about the Ukrainian Civil War:  http://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/topic/641-ukrainian-civil-war-thread-all-quiet-on-the-sturgeon-front/

 

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Another Russian holiday-maker (T-72B3) enjoys the picturesque DPR countryside:

 

 

 

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Hi there

 

Sorry to ask again but still confused

 

Fo for Ukraine I'm ok with Modellcollect T-64  and T-64M but what else

 

 

And for Rebels T-72B1

 

And for Russians T-90 

 

And what else

 

I also got a Smerch BM-30

 

Cheers 

 

Armando

 

PD Meaning let's say 5-8 tracks for every one, I need options

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OK.....Subjects, followed by kits, in my preferred order of choice:

 

For Ukraine, MBTs:

T-64BV (M)

T-64BM (M)

T-72B1 (M)

 

For DPR/LPR, MBTs:

T-64BV (M)

T-64BM (very rare) (M)

T-72B1 (M)

(T-72BM)** (M)

 

Visiting MBTs (all very rare):

(T-72BM)** (M)

T-72B3 (M)

T-90 (R),(M)

T-90A (Z),(R),(M)

 

** Not 100% sure of this, or their status if they are present.

 

APC/IFV/ACs for everyone:

BTR-60 (I),(A)

BTR-70 (T),(A)

(BTR-80)** (T),(A)

MT-LB (M*)

BMP-1 (A),(S)

BMP-2 (A),(S)

BRDM-2 (S),(A)

 

For Ukraine only:

BTR-3E (rare) (A)

 

For DPR/LPR/Visitors only:

(BTR-80A)** (A)

(MT-LBM)** (M**)

 

Again not 100% on these.....Check the thread I linked to earlier for evidence of who, what and where (both sides also capture & use each others already very similar gear).

 

Recommended kits index:

(A) ACE

(I) ICM

(M) Modelcollect

(M*) Modelcollect future release

(M**) Modelcollect probable future release

(R) Revell

(S) S-Model

(T) Trumpeter

(Z) Zvezda

 

 

 

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Ukraine has allegedly started to refurbish its fleet of T-80BVs, the suggestion is that these will receive diesel engines and possibly (the rather dubious) Nozh ERA, perhaps repackaged into K1 modules (allegedly, personally I reckon Nozh doesn't work and those are really quite ordinary K1 blocks).....The resulting vehicle may well turn out something like Modelcollect's T-80BVD kit, I wait with baited breath for Kiev's lates creation.  ;)

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Well Sarge

 

I was feel pushed to modern armor because recent events I strongly believe I was a jet aircraft only but then comes the chopper, the plastic soldiers and now the braille armor (witch is a deviation of the Wild Weasel collection first went the SAM equipment and now modern armor

 

Very limited in this looooong forgoten modeling country all my stuff other from artist/painters/hardwarestores/drawing stores came from overseas still I'm know I'm not only a historian nerd but also a modeller

 

Happy modeling 

Armando

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On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 7:42 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

BTR-80A)** (A)

small correction - not BTR-80A but BTR-82A. no one makes the kit or conversion of this one yet. There is no evidence the 80A were used in this conflict.

 

On ‎6‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 3:08 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Ukraine has allegedly started to refurbish its fleet of T-80BVs, the suggestion is that these will receive diesel engines and possibly (the rather dubious) Nozh ERA, perhaps repackaged into K1 modules (allegedly, personally I reckon Nozh doesn't work and those are really quite ordinary K1 blocks).....The resulting vehicle may well turn out something like Modelcollect's T-80BVD kit, I wait with baited breath for Kiev's lates creation.  ;)

Actually this has already been done. The T-80BVs are sent to bolster the reformed "aero-mobile" brigades. And apparently to the tank battalion of the marines brigade.

 

to your list I would also add:

T-72AV ( done by ACE and possibly modelcollect)

Nona on BMD - ACE

Strella - ACE

Gvozdika - ACE

 

BTR-4, Giatsint, Akatsia are not produced in kit form.

And Shilka - very rare Yadar resin kit.

 

I would highly recommend New Penguin's Armor of Donbass decal sheet. Superb quality of both research and print.

Edited by BallsBuster

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Here's a DPR/LPR T-72A:

 

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Another DPR/LPR T-72A, this one locally fitted with K-1 ERA blocks, making it look like a T-72B1:

 

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On 6/5/2018 at 8:08 AM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Ukraine has allegedly started to refurbish its fleet of T-80BVs, the suggestion is that these will receive diesel engines and possibly (the rather dubious) Nozh ERA, perhaps repackaged into K1 modules (allegedly, personally I reckon Nozh doesn't work and those are really quite ordinary K1 blocks).....The resulting vehicle may well turn out something like Modelcollect's T-80BVD kit, I wait with baited breath for Kiev's lates creation.  ;)

That's good 

 

I just found this kit on the stash

 

https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/6/0/7/136607-11185-pristine.jpg

 

the Revell T-80BV so I'm going to look for more Ukrainian tanks photos 

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just forgot to ad- there were also Tunguska AA systems in the UA army in the initial stage at least. There is only MW kit of that one available... not particularly great.

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On ‎6‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 4:54 AM, RAGATIGER said:

That's good 

 

I just found this kit on the stash

 

https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/6/0/7/136607-11185-pristine.jpg

 

the Revell T-80BV so I'm going to look for more Ukrainian tanks photos 

You'll need to do a lot of work to convert it to a BVD.....New engine deck, reconfigured ERA etc. but it would make an interesting challenge for sure. 

 

I may have some spares that would be of use, need to check what's in the various Modelcollect T-80s (they are very generous for spares).

 

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On 6/16/2018 at 2:55 PM, BallsBuster said:

just forgot to ad- there were also Tunguska AA systems in the UA army in the initial stage at least. There is only MW kit of that one available... not particularly great.

Man that's one as scarse as an honest politician. I tried to get one for a long time even if I was mentally willing to pay US$50.00 for it never was able to touch one so later I got a cheap metal one and that's if for my collection

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The cheap metal one is probably the better option, saves you the hair pulling of trying to build the MW kit, 

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I reckon Modelcollect might come up with a Tunguska eventually, possibly even Pantsir too.....They're both on a modified BMP-3 chassis IIRC.

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Unfortunately not, the Tunguska uses the GM chassis, other similar chassis are used on the BUK, TOR, SAM systems, earlier versions of the chassis were used on the 2S3 and Ganef systems, I have asked Modelcollect about doing the chassis, but unfortunately as they have found out Modern Russian doesn't sell that well, hence we see a plethora of Fist of war and 46 kits, to generate income, although they still want to do Russian, so maybe there is hope yet that we will see a decent 2S6, there are still a few BMP 3 chassis kits that were announced that we ( or rather I am ) are waiting on, still waiting for the Rubezh system on the MAZ chassis that was announced years ago and I have on preorder ever since, not to mention the T 62 and T 10, at least the MT-LB should start turning up soon

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I can't believe that  :poop:  outsells their awesome modern Russian stuff.....That is just sad.  :mellow:

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WOW!!!! 

What an interesting topic! In connection with it, I even had some questions about some of the adjustments made in my profile. But I will probably discuss them closer to the

autumn in PM.

 

About theme topic.

 

First of all, I do not understand the name of the topic:

"Ukrania Russia in Krimea 1/72"

if it is about Russia, Ukraine in the Crimea, then where is Donetsk or Lugansk? Donetsk and Lugansk are at a distance of about 1000 km from Crimea, if you go by car.

 

Secondly, in this conflict my opinion is not neutral, because I live in Donetsk. This does not mean that I will intentionally distribute fake information, or information that may harm the side to which I belong. But this does not mean that I will not remain silent when, in my opinion, slander or disinformation from the enemy is spreading.

 

So,

On 5/30/2018 at 11:16 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

DPR T-64BV

 

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T-90 on holiday

strutinsky-serg5.jpg

T-90A also on holiday, with some of the locals

Another Russian holiday-maker (T-72B3) enjoys the picturesque DPR countryside:

How can you determine if it's Donetsk or Lugansk?

 

Because  when I see this photo:

On 5/30/2018 at 11:16 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

 

dan-news.info-2018-05-03_07-38-27_317084

DPR T-72B1 obr. 1985

dan-news.info-2018-05-03_07-38-29_554393

DPR T-64BV



I see the central streets of my city Donetsk. On the first photo I see the taken at the intersection of Gurov Avenue and Chelyuskintsev Stree. The second photo was

street Chelyuskintsev between the intersection with Prospect Gurov and Prospekt Ilyich. Logo on the photo DAN - Donetsk Agency News, it's reportage from

 training of the parade

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on Victory  Day in Donetsk 2018:

https://dambiev.livejournal.com/1164510.html

See this photo:

dan-news.info-2018-05-03_07-37-37_483197

dan-news.info-2018-05-03_07-37-39_370913

dan-news.info-2018-05-03_07-37-41_750714

....and it's  my photo this armour

in the place of storage, (are published for the first time, exclusively for Britmodeller.com):

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Thus, the affiliation and location of this technique can be determined with a high degree of probability. How can you locate the T-90? By the bush of plants? On the transparency of the air? Aaaaaa, someone wrote that this is Donetsk and therefore he should be trusted? But why should I believe this?

 

What resources do I trust?

 

First, it is a database of destroyed and captured military equipment:

http://lostarmour.info

Lost armour:

http://lostarmour.info/armour

Capture armour :

http://lostarmour.info/spoils

Lost artillery

http://lostarmour.info/artloss

Capture artillery:

http://lostarmour.info/artspoils

Lost MLRS:

http://lostarmour.info/mrlloss

Capture MLRS:

http://lostarmour.info/mrlspoils

Lost aircraft  & helicopter:

http://lostarmour.info/aviation

Lost ship:

http://lostarmour.info/navy

Some article:

http://lostarmour.info/articles/tochki-nad-u/

Secondly, these are the following overview resources:

https://militarizm.livejournal.com/71086.html

https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com

https://kloch4.livejournal.com

B.w. all about Tunguska:

https://kloch4.livejournal.com/47841.html

In addition, it should be noted that the Donbass is an industrial area, so in addition to modernizing technology, there were created their own weapons MLRS "Snezhinka"

(Snowflake) & MLRS "Tcheburashka":

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

 

 

 

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On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 1:41 AM, RAGATIGER said:

Man that's one as scarse as an honest politician. I tried to get one for a long time even if I was mentally willing to pay US$50.00 for it never was able to touch one so later I got a cheap metal one and that's if for my collection

unlike the mythical first one-the kit does exist. I have one in my stash. If you go through "for sale" posts on this forum you might find a couple on offer for much less than 50USD. But the kit is very hard to assemble judging from the looks of it.

 

Also to ad to the list - PTS-m were used in the initial stage in summer of 2014 in LNR (LPR). There is only a very expensive Balaton kit of it.

 

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4 hours ago, BallsBuster said:

unlike the mythical first one-the kit does exist. I have one in my stash. If you go through "for sale" posts on this forum you might find a couple on offer for much less than 50USD. But the kit is very hard to assemble judging from the looks of it.

 

Also to ad to the list - PTS-m were used in the initial stage in summer of 2014 in LNR (LPR). There is only a very expensive Balaton kit of it.

 

Hi Andy

Well let slip a secret I'm into braille armor modeling because some mental deviation of the Surface to Air Missiles, I like to do both sides of the coin.  Friends and Foes.. a Old time 1/72 scale aircraft modeler at some point evolved to do Wild Weasel models then goes the SAMs, then was the soft plastic soldiers, then the armor even some HO houses ad buildings

 

I feel tempted by the SA-22 also still need a ZSU-57-2m and now there is one 3D printed nice price about $15 to fullfill collection gap

 

Maybe better solution is to wait a bit of all those kits going to be realized by Modelcollect some time in future

 

Best day

 

Armando

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@Aardvark.....Hi Serge, thanks for all the great photos, if I'd known they were yours I'd have given you credit, they came via a very indirect route.  ;)

 

As for the rest of it (T-90s, T-72B3s on holiday), I don't have a dog in the fight, I've merely taken pictures from what I consider to be reliable sources and used their attributions.....However the T-90 images have been pretty thoroughly verified IIRC, in fact I had a much harder time finding any convincing images or footage of a T-72B3 in DPR/LPR than I did of a T-90. 

 

Anyway, as I said, I don't have a dog in the fight and TBH it would be much wiser to leave the politics of the matter aside and stick to the modelling aspects.....A political row is just about the fastest way I can think of to get a thread locked on BM.  :mellow:

14 hours ago, Aardvark said:

First of all, I do not understand the name of the topic:

"Ukrania Russia in Krimea 1/72"

if it is about Russia, Ukraine in the Crimea, then where is Donetsk or Lugansk? Donetsk and Lugansk are at a distance of about 1000 km from Crimea, if you go by car.

The original poster is from El Salvador.....How's your El Salvadorean geography?  :hmmm:

 

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4 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Hi Serge, thanks for all the great photos, if I'd known they were yours I'd have given you credit, they came via a very indirect route. 

I suspect that there are problems with the translation. Only these photos that belong to me, because they are made by me, are placed in this topic:

19 hours ago, Aardvark said:

exclusively for Britmodeller.com):

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20170924_140246.jpg

20170924_140238.jpg

Other photos from other sources and I do not belong. Naturally, I have other photos taken by me at the parade and exhibitions held here, but before publishing anywhere I need to retouch the faces of random passers-by in the photo. Because I do not publish images of persons without the consent of their owner in general, and from the zone of military conflict even more so.

 

But my photos without the people that I posted earlier, I can quite repost in this topic:

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_1218195_1453405714_P9182760.jpg.html

 

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62274&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

This is part of the BMP with the open day of the 100th brigade.

Actually, all the armour 100th brigade from open day was shot by me in the format  wallaround, but there are many civilians in the photo, so they can not be I have been published without retouching.

 

This is the photo of the consequences of the unsuccessful flight of Tochka-U:

 

This Tochka-U was to destroy a major railway station, but during the flight it "suddenly broke, colliding in the air with some kind of obstacle." :)

 

4 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

As for the rest of it (T-90s, T-72B3s on holiday), I don't have a dog in the fight, I've merely taken pictures from what I consider to be reliable sources and used their attributions.....However the T-90 images have been pretty thoroughly verified IIRC, in fact I had a much harder time finding any convincing images or footage of a T-72B3 in DPR/LPR than I did of a T-90. 

The war is not only on the territory but also on the Internet. Therefore, on the Internet, one can also find news of hundreds of Russian T-14 tanks destroyed near the Donetsk airport, :)

and the use of Russian tactical nuclear weapons against Lugansk, :) and about billions of destroyed Russian paratroopers under the assault Debaltcevo...all this fake news, 

therefore, while I personally do not see T-90 on the streets of Donetsk, or his photo confirmed by people whom I trust, I will be very skeptical about what is written about it on the Internet.

4 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

A political row is just about the fastest way I can think of to get a thread locked on BM.

Where I write about politics? 

But I can write my detailed memories of how I came out in the lunch break in 2014, and as I passed along the bridge I saw three artillery shells on a parral bridge into a city pond, and if they were in a bridge and not in a pond, I would already could not write these lines, because the distance between bridges is about 500-800 meters, and the killer force of the fragments is at a distance of 2000-3000 meters. I could write about the eyes of my children when we decided to return here in September 2014, and the train waited 6 hours for the artillery bombardment of Donetsk railway station to end. And when the train arrived at the railway station of Donetsk, we saw the ruins of a building for storing luggage .... and the artillery bombardment began again somewhere near.

We called a taxi (!!!! it's shock, but the taxi worked)

on the mobile and left the train station, and then we came by the destroyed local history museum ..... the ukrainian shell destroyed the hall of the museum where there was an exposition about the flora and fauna ...therefore, you are unlikely to achieve my neutrality in this conflict.

But were in this  memory's politics?

4 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

The original poster is from El Salvador.....How's your El Salvadorean geography?  :hmmm:

 

No way. But if I suddenly decide to do the Salvadoran Corsair,

and I will have to create a topic on the BM in which it will be necessary to use some local names, then for correctness, before writing a topic I turn to Wikipedia or search in Google, if for some reason it does not work out, what do I have the home library has a geographic atlas:

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😛B)

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

 

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Well said sir, my comments were not intended as a dig at you, but that's a fine riposte in any case.  :coolio:

 

 

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