Lawzer Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Folks, doing a 1/48 ju88 night fighter where the entire airframe is rlm22. now i know rlm 22 isn't just "black" but since this will be a fair area to cover i wondered if anyone had any opinions? i'm going to need to mix the paint (along with thinner) in a fairly large batch so i was wondering about mainly tamiya xf69 with some xf1. I think vallejo air do 22 but i just can't get on with it. i don't know if i should spray the whole thing then mask off panels to break up the monotiny.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 The Model Air colour for RLM22 is indeed 'Black' - Modelair 57. I know the problems you have had with MA so it will be interesting to see what folk come up with - I think Tamiya is a good starting point. I am sure I've seen a thread about this - or maybe it was in a copy of Airfix Model World - I'll go and have a look through some back issues - looking for night fighter builds and see if there are any tips. It will take my mind off my primer nightmare... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Tamiya mix: RLM Luftwaffe colors RLM 02 -- XF22:1 + XF49:1 +XF2:2 RLM 61 – X9:4 + XF1:1 RLM 62 – XF65 RLM 63 – XF25:1 + XF2:1 RLM 65 -- XF23:1 + XF2:1 RLM 66 -- XF24 RLM 70 -- XF27 RLM 71 -- XF81 RLM 72 -- XF26:1 + XF65:1 RLM 73 – XF24:2 + XF27:3 + XF2:1 RLM 74 -- XF24:3 + XF27:2 RLM 75 -- XF24:5 + XF50:1 + XF2:2 RLM 76 -- XF2:7 + XF23:1 + XF66:2 RLM 77 -- XF19 RLM 78 – XF23:4 + XF50:1 RLM 79 -- XF59:3 + XF64:1 RLM 80 -- XF58 RLM 81 -- XF51:3 + XF64:2 RLM 82 -- XF62:4 + XF2:1 RLM 83 -- XF5:1 + XF3:1 RLM 84 -- XF14 Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Lawzer - I cannot find a single 'all black' build in over 60 issues of AMW - BUT found 4 British WWII bomber builds - all with black undersides. 2 virtually ignore the underside - other than talking about scratch building bomb bay detail - 1 says to use XF69 - NATO Black as 'it is more realistic at 1/72 scale'. The last one I have sent you an email about - not a lot of detail - but more what you might be trying to achieve. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it - just have fun eh... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, dogsbody said: Tamiya mix: RLM Luftwaffe colors RLM 02 -- XF22:1 + XF49:1 +XF2:2 RLM 61 – X9:4 + XF1:1 RLM 62 – XF65 RLM 63 – XF25:1 + XF2:1 RLM 65 -- XF23:1 + XF2:1 RLM 66 -- XF24 RLM 70 -- XF27 RLM 71 -- XF81 RLM 72 -- XF26:1 + XF65:1 RLM 73 – XF24:2 + XF27:3 + XF2:1 RLM 74 -- XF24:3 + XF27:2 RLM 75 -- XF24:5 + XF50:1 + XF2:2 RLM 76 -- XF2:7 + XF23:1 + XF66:2 RLM 77 -- XF19 RLM 78 – XF23:4 + XF50:1 RLM 79 -- XF59:3 + XF64:1 RLM 80 -- XF58 RLM 81 -- XF51:3 + XF64:2 RLM 82 -- XF62:4 + XF2:1 RLM 83 -- XF5:1 + XF3:1 RLM 84 -- XF14 Chris Not much use as that doesn’t have the paint shade he is after - RLM 22 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme H Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I don't usually use straight black at all, I do like XF63 German Grey, also XF68 Nato Black, and there is a Tyre black as well, all of those are dark, but not stark if you get my drift 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I use anthrazite from Revell (#09) for almost anything supposed to be black paint. I do not think there is a special hue to RLM 22 to take into consideration. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tony Oliver said: Not much use as that doesn’t have the paint shade he is after - RLM 22 Ah! I see I've confused XF22 for RLM 22. Getting old blows! Chris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Lawzer said: Folks, doing a 1/48 ju88 night fighter where the entire airframe is rlm22. now i know rlm 22 isn't just "black" but since this will be a fair area to cover i wondered if anyone had any opinions? i'm going to need to mix the paint (along with thinner) in a fairly large batch so i was wondering about mainly tamiya xf69 with some xf1. I think vallejo air do 22 but i just can't get on with it. i don't know if i should spray the whole thing then mask off panels to break up the monotiny.... Hi Ian @Manu posted up a build of an all black Ju-88 On 10/5/2018 at 18:18, Manu said: Thank you guys for your nice comments. For that black finish, i've painted panel by panel with different shades of black with brown, sand, ochre... Than i've applied various filters made with oil paints (raw umber, Naples yellow, Payne grey...). I've used too felt pens, pigments, watercolour crayons... Cheers, Manu. which may help? cheers T 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Ive been told when doing an all black scheme to break it up. Its best to paint different panels with a black/brown mix, or a black/blue mix. It changes the tone ever so slightly, and breaks up the monotony of the all black. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawzer Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 13 hours ago, BIG X said: Lawzer - I cannot find a single 'all black' build in over 60 issues of AMW - BUT found 4 British WWII bomber builds - all with black undersides. 2 virtually ignore the underside - other than talking about scratch building bomb bay detail - 1 says to use XF69 - NATO Black as 'it is more realistic at 1/72 scale'. The last one I have sent you an email about - not a lot of detail - but more what you might be trying to achieve. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it - just have fun eh... Cheers Steve! @Troy Smith I thought I'd dreamt that WIP....... So an overall coat of xf69 then maybe some panels done with 69+other...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Lawzer said: Cheers Steve! @Troy Smith I thought I'd dreamt that WIP....... So an overall coat of xf69 then maybe some panels done with 69+other...... Personally I would go for overall NATO Black (XF-69) as you plan but then rather than specific panels in another shade (how likely is a specific panel (or panels) going to be a different color when the entire original air frame was painted black?) mist on variations both lighter and darker. This will avoid a patchwork appearance while breaking up a solid overall color. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawzer Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, Chuck1945 said: Personally I would go for overall NATO Black (XF-69) as you plan but then rather than specific panels in another shade (how likely is a specific panel (or panels) going to be a different color when the entire original air frame was painted black?) mist on variations both lighter and darker. This will avoid a patchwork appearance while breaking up a solid overall color. Even better - no masking!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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