CedB Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Thanks Simon Damn, missed the chance of some exercise. 'The Raven' in Bath is a favourite haunt for us, mainly because it does pie, chips (or mash for the healthy minded) and gravy. Nom nom nom. Today's visit was enhanced by the arrival of 25-30 Italian women who were on a language course locally. Ciao bella, indeed. Even a couple of bellissimos. Noisy though, as expected. The nice blonde next to me apologised and explained 'they didn't do quiet'. Pleasant lunch was had by all As you may be able to tell the beer was also very acceptable so I only trusted myself to try the ability to rub off the wash: Both Citadels were very grippy and only rubbed off with pressure. The Flory, as we know, cleans off well with a damp cotton bud. All 'enamels' cleaned off with white spirit: In fact the 'fine washes' cleaned off just with the cotton bud. My choices? I'll decide when I've sobered up. Hic. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, CedB said: Today's visit was enhanced by the arrival of 25-30 Italian women who were on a language course locally. How lucky! Nice selection of washes, BTW Ciao 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 25-30 Italian Female students in a local pub that sells nice beer and pies. The washes are pretty good too dear boy. Jont. ps. Just saw G’s post above. doh!! Edited April 24, 2018 by The Spadgent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Thanks Giorgio and Johnny Still a bit fragile this morning but I thought I was fit enough to do some washes and, maybe, some assembly. I decided I didn't want a very dirty Hind so just went for some Mig Stone Grey for the engines to pop the detail: ... and my Flory Dark Dirt / White mix for the gearbox: ... and the rest of the internal panel detail: That'll do me. Assembly? Here we go again... make sure that goes in there with THAT in there and all these are lined up so that it fits the fuselage (I don't trust the fit to get the right angles of the dangles). First issue - the seat won't fit snugly against the bulkhead. There are two holes in the floor, a slot in the bulkhead brace and a square locating slot in the vent box on the bulkhead (circled on the photo): The instructions say fit the seat frame with the short support against the bulkhead. Two problems; it's too long: (trimmed) and I'd cleverly, I thought, glued the seat on so I could pain the leather in one go. IF you do this make sure this hinge is on the OTHER end: I ripped off the seat, gently, and then it'll fit. Hmmm. Once that's sorted one can assemble the floor, bulkhead and engine bay, making sure the seat support goes into this hole: (note the white lights and panel detail in the roof; no Hendie but I'm trying) and the gearbox rear drive goes into this hole: ... and that the whole thing fits into the fuselage at the right angles, at which point, of course, it all falls apart again. Rats. I'll have a rest for a bit, gather my faculties and then I think I'll try Bill's 'tube glue method' that holds things together but provides some wiggle. Later... 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 That's looking very nice Ced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Keep it up, Ced - you will prevail Tube glue (maybe even PVA glue) sounds like a good idea The washes do look good, BTW Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Why is it that we don`t have an extra hand when fitting these assemblies? Nice going on the washes Ced.. Maybe a hair of the dog sir Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 You're getting the hang of this nicely I also commend Bill's advice on tube glue, he has to be right on that Wobbly wriggle room advised Also clips clamps and grippy things It is looking very much a top jolly jobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, CedB said: Still a bit fragile this morning Shouldn't go partying with young Italian wenches . As to build, looking really smart, even with the little snags. Washes look lovely but I think black wash for the engine bay would've been better but it's your 'copter. Keep up the good build. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James G Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Nice work Ced! I am making notes for when I get around to building my Hind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Wow Ced, that looks really very nice. Great job on that. Like it very much, especially the weathering on that bench. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Excellent job sir! She's coming along very nicely, despite the distractions of beer and female Italian students. (What pub was that again?) Funny how those sub assemblies fall apart just when you think everything has gone together just perfectly. It's almost like they were deliberately waiting for the right moment to get maximum reaction! Ian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Thanks Simon (Beard and Spookytooth), Giorgio, Bill, Stuart, Benedikt and Ian I'm starting to feel that I'm making progress - dangerous! 5 hours ago, James G said: Nice work Ced! I am making notes for when I get around to building my Hind. Thanks James - heck, you're taking notes! In that case I'll try to make sure I document all the gotchas, including my bungles, so you can watch out for them In a moment of confidence this afternoon I glued in the bulkhead and floor. As I was fiddling with it there was that clicky feeling so, as usual, I glued it while it was still 'just right': While that was drying I moved on to some other assemblies, like the under-nose: I have no idea why that tiny little lump isn't molded; perhaps it's different on other variants. The landing light detail is great though, even if it's not that obvious from the instructions how it fits; the 'lens' goes into the hole in the fuselage. I also assembled the, er, bit under the back: There are two rams in there already and more to fit - I have no idea why there's so much detail here as it gets covered up, unless of course the hatch can be posed open (research required). Then it was time to insert the engine bay: The instructions would have you assemble all the internals first and then place them in the fuselage, hoping that it all lines up. Ha ha ha. Of course I ignored that. For me, it was a learning experience: “A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.’” - Douglas Adams. What I've learned is that you can't, easily, get the engine bay in with bulkhead fitted because the exhausts foul on the side before they'll go through the hole. Wiggle it. Lots. That done we're here now and I'm letting it dry: Some people never learn 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Ah me That clicky feeling oh yes,I remember it well But seriously, it does look rather good so dont kid yourself aint much YOU need to learn thumbsup2: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Lovely work and colouring Ced, all looks just so. It has to be said that these Zvezda kits really raise the bar for helicopters kits. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Oooh that internal weathering looks spot on. 🐯🥨 have an erm. Tiger and a pretzel. 🦕 Johnny new emoticons! 🐒 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Thanks Bill, you are too kind (Oooh look, when I typed the colon and the start of the name for that emoticon the software suggested what I might be after! Neat feature - if you can remember your emoticon names) Thanks James I didn't realise this was a Zvezda re-boxing - thanks for the info. (Oh but, it didn't change the typed smiley. Hmmm) Thanks Johnny (There it wasn't again. I wonder if the new version has other useful features? Must have a look in the help) Anyway, great strides have been taken, and mostly in a forward direction! Pipe and struts fitted: Yes, it was a pain to fit the one on the other side. No, I shouldn't have glued the thing in that soon. Yes, it was also a pain to get the windows in over the seat: ... but I did it, and the others too: Gators Grip as usual for me. I also noticed the need to drill out the holes for the ?chaff dispensers and to cut the holes in the bottom: Step 26 by Ced Bufton, on Flickr This went in: Then, with one last look at the engines: ... it was time to close up: Not a bad fit but the fuselage needs 'wrapping' around all those internals, hence the tape / clamps / crossed fingers. The tail though went together beautifully. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Super 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 Thanks Bill - I think you're super too! I found a post from Mike about the new upgrade. Now https secure (which is probably why Firefox warned me about security during the upgrade), emoticons now called 'emojis' and there's now LOTS of the things, including one for Tony and his nailbrushes - 💅. I've followed the post for updates on other new features which Mike says he'll "witter on about that once I've had time to fool around with it". So how's the seam after a night in the clamps? Not bad here: ... and manageable here: Time to stick this bit in: But wait... why is there a hole in the fuselage under the panel and a 'drill here' mark in the panel? It doesn't say drill out? Flip through the instructions and: So there need to be holes. Two of them. Where does the other go? Grrrr, no sign of it in the instructions so the BM tip of 'shine a light' was required: That's been marked. It's right on the edge of the panel. I can imagine the kit designers talking about that; "How do you show that you need to drill a hole in the panel edge?" "Dunno mate, let's think about it and put it in later...". I've also had a revelation (cue Hallelujah music ) as to why the instructions have 'Version 1' and 'Version 2'. I'd foolishly assumed it was for the two schemes. Nope: So 'Version 1' is 'things closed' and 2 is 'things open'. I've put on my proper reading glasses and checked the small print. I even got the box out of the bin and checked that. Nothing. Ho hum. I have also realised that choosing 'version 2', following the instructions by glueing everything open and then trying to apply the HUGE Tiger decals to the open bits at the end may be the reason why people give up their builds. Frustrating. My plan (before I get hit in the mouth) is to latex glue all the 'open bits' closed, spray the model, apply the transfers and then, gulp, cut open the bits and pose them open. That's my plan... Comments? 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 No comment That will work Simples... 😨 Beginning to interest me strangely BL+++y russkis 😠 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, CedB said: My plan (before I get hit in the mouth) is to latex glue all the 'open bits' closed, spray the model, apply the transfers and then, gulp, cut open the bits and pose them open. That's my plan... Comments? Braveheart! 😄 Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 Thanks Bill and Giorgio, it gives me confidence to know that the plan is 'approved' by proper modellers Before we get there though, the front end (technical term) needs to go on: These are just the main parts... you'll remember I elected not to glue the cockpit to the floor and not to fit the internal panels. Yet. The lower nose has a nice locating 'step' in the back that locates it into the fuselage and the fit is not bad; not good, but not bad. The cockpit has 'tongues' that fit to the floor. It also has pointy bits on the front with a curved bit that goes around the gun mount. The floor has a box section that fits over the ridged box in the nose. Cunning design. If all those bits went together beautifully it would be a wonderful kit. Would it surprise you though to hear that they don't quite fit? SURPRISE! Firstly the man-spreading crew member had his feet trimmed: Then all the paint on the joints was removed. Then the tongues were sanded a bit. Then the cockpit pointy bits were scraped a little. Still the nose/fuselage join was pushed out by the cockpit. Something needs to be 'adjusted' and just before I got the hammer out I left it like this and took a break: Wanting to avoid the five handed juggling act, I fitted the cockpit internal panels and glued them, then supported the assembly in the fuselage to, hopefully, make sure it aligned: Add bits, dry fit, sand, repeat. This is how I see my future... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 "This is how I see my future..." You could be out on the moors It could be blowing a storm Hurricanes and blizzards And you bemoan the chance to perform the miracles induced by our mutual hobby? Tsssk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I don't see why your plan for the doors/hatches shouldn't work, I've done it with canopies using PVA. Starting to look helicoptery now. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Coming together nicely now, I'm sure you will have beaten the cockpit/front end into submission before any of us can look round! Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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