DMC Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Excellent! Starting to resemble a proper scratch built styrene model now. š¤ Whoops.Ā 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) GreatĀ strides there Steve with your wood, filler and brass...I think I'll stick to plastic. As to you becoming the Aussie PM, I'd need to know what's in your manifesto, not that anybody follows them? Ā Stuart Edited October 14, 2018 by Courageous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Excellent update. Ā What will you include in your maiden speech? How to use a bandsaw and lathe? Ā P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 On ā15ā/ā10ā/ā2018 at 02:11, Courageous said: Ā As to you becoming the Aussie PM, I'd need to know what's in your manifesto, not that anybody follows them? Ā Ā Dear Courageous - thank you for your interest in my policies. Ā Here is the Manifesto I wish to pursue... Ā Ā 16 hours ago, pheonix said: Ā Ā What will you include in your maiden speechļ»æ? Ā Ā Hello Phoenix, Ā My Maiden speech would most likelyĀ go something like this.... Ā 'Earlier today I was chosen to take the role of Prime Minister of Australia. I am thrilled, honoured and humbledĀ to have the privilegeĀ to lead this great nation. IĀ am looking forward to achievingĀ much that needs to be done for the average Australian citizen - however, asĀ I have just been notified thatĀ I no longerĀ enjoy the support ofĀ a majority ofĀ my cabinet colleagues, I must with great regret, stand-down from this position forthwith. I wish theĀ new Prime Minister - (insert random name here) every success in this challenging but rewarding role.' Ā Rt Hon, Bandsaw Steve, Member for the seat of Avro 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic Mike Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 2:52 PM, Bandsaw Steve said: It's a surgical whatchamacallit.Ā I've seen every episode of M.A.S.H. and I still don't know what one of these is called! Anyhow, my neighbour used to be a salesman for surgical equipment - specialising in brain surgery would you believe! -Ā and he very kindly gave me this widget. It's ideal for holding a length of solder.Ā Perhaps soldering has applications in brain surgery! What would I know!?! Ā Ā It's a pair of artery forceps. My ex-wife was (presumably still is) a vet. I saw her wielding them once and concluded they would be just the thing sa a modelling tool. I think we can all agree that you can *never* have too many modeling tools. I have two pairs, and they are in constant use. Today, I was using them to hold the backing paper of teeny tiny stencilled decals (or transfers, as everyone knows they are really called). They also provide a nifty way to not airbrush your fingers when getting up close and personal with resin and PE equally teeny tiny things.Ā But I digress. That Steve bloke clearly knows his way around his power tools.Ā Onwards...Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 Ah-ha! Yes, forceps- thatāll be it. Thank you Mike. Ā Q - How do Jedi Knights do surgery? Ā A - They use the forceps!Ā Ā ššš (I just thought that up myself just now! Iām quite proud of that - but I suspect I shouldnāt be.) š¤Ŗ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Ā Exciting Stuff Going On Ā There's a lot of exciting stuff going on in this build at the moment but I must admit - I'm saving it all for another post. This one will be good for any insomniacs out there. Ā Currently this model's wings are still a bit rough in parts - literally rough. This needs to be sorted out now before I start putting all that lovely ribbing detail on. Later on any sanding that's done will destroy the ribbing so now - earlier in the build to what I am accustomed - I am going to start the dreadedĀ prime...sand...fill cycle.Ā First though I need to etch on the ailerons. Ā Use the master plans to mark up their location... Ā Mark off the relevant distances... Ā Draw on where you want the cuts to go. Ā And cut the relevant slots with a razor saw.Ā This is actually usingĀ a tip that DMC gave me a couple of years ago when I was cutting the panel lines in my Mig15. The razor saw works well in this case as the cuts are all straight and need to be deep to look convincing. A top tip here is to use two strips of dymo tape, one on either side of the blade,Ā to delineate the area you want to cut. The dymo tape tends to hold the saw in the correct location and prevents any damage in the event of the saw slipping. Ā With the ailerons delineated we can now use some 'timber-mate' putty to fill in any gaps or cracks and, after letting it dry, start sanding back the initial rough layer of primer. Initially you canĀ hit it with some fairly coarse paper as shown but after a minute or two move to finer grades and keep getting finer until things are reasonably smooth. And then ... Ā ā¦slap on some more undercoat. Thin it down a bit this time so it's more likely to give a slightly finer finish. Ā Let it dry and sand it back - starting withĀ not quite such coarse paper this time because the finish should be smoother. Once the second layer isĀ sanded back nice andĀ smooth get out the timber-mate putty and fill in any holes. let it dry and then spray some high-build automotive Ā 'primer and putty' over the whole thing. Ā This will leave a moderately gritty looking mattĀ surface - but because it's a 'high build' product some more of the scratches andĀ smaller bumps will have beenĀ covered over and smoothed out.Ā Sand this back with progressively finer paper and search for any remaining dents and scratches. Ā WhenĀ you findĀ surface imperfections score them with a cross-hatch like this and... Ā apply timber-mate. Ā I used to use plastic wood for this work but now prefer timber-mate (recommended to me by 'crayons' during the AE2 build) mostly because it can beĀ watered downĀ to make itĀ more workable as shown below.Ā Ā And after another round of drying and sanding we have this - ready for a layer of Tamiya's finest surface primer. Ā Which leaves this.... which needs yet another round of sanding and filling and priming....š«ā¦.zzzzzzzzā¦. Ā Which, after some more sanding...Ā leaves this... which is good enough for now - although even after all of that there are still some imperfections visible.Ā Not to worry - the ribbing needs to go on now and after that there will be at least one more layer of primer and then two layers of paint and then one of varnish.Ā Ā So - nothing much to see here.Ā Note that there's no cockpit in this photo and no tailplanes, those two spots have also been seeing some action and it's a bit more interesting than what I've just posted. In fact those two areas - the cockpit and the tailplanes -Ā is where the exciting stuff is going on! Ā But please remember, exciting is a relative term...Ā Stay tuned and next time I'll see if I can post something a bit more interesting than prime, sand, fill...prime, sand, fill...prime, sand, fill... Ā Bandsaw Steve. Ā 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, Bandsaw Steve said: ... A top tip here is to use two strips of dymo tape to delineate the area you want to cut. The dymo tape tends to hold the saw in the correct location and prevents any damage in the event of the saw slipping. I've found the tape comes in handy for making most things that need to be straight, e.g. cuts, scribing, rivets, etc. Ā The tape is thick enough to prevent lots of my potential catastrophes caused by tool slips & shaky hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray S Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Bandsaw Steve said: Ā Exciting Stuff Going On Ā Bandsaw Steve. Stay tuned and next time I'll see if I can post something a bit more interesting than prime, sand, fill...prime, sand, fill...prime, sand, fill... Ā Is that why you were elected Prime-Minister? Ā By the way, the work you are doing on this is excellent Mr Bandsaw! Ā Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Ray S said: Is that why you were elected Prime-Minister? Ā PRIME Minister! š Ā Ohhhh...How did I miss that one? Good pick-up Ray. Do you work for the Daily Sun? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 All that lovely wood, hidden under layers of paint. *sigh*. Well, it'll definitely look like the real thing, and much more satisfying than nailing together some pre moulded plastic (no offence to the many plasticians on this forum). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, Redshift said: nailing I've never used nails. Ā Will that make myĀ builds better? Ā I am looking forward to this Avro. Ā Looks like a real winner. Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Oh the joys of sanding and filling (repeat as many time as necesssary....) Strangely enough I am in the same stage with my project, except that I am using plastic filler and paint to show up the dents. Ā The wings look very good - and when held in place against the current structure reveal a terrific model in the making. Looking forward to seeing what you are doing with the cockpit. Ā P 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Bandsaw Steve said: Stay tuned and next time I'll see if I can post something a bit more interesting than prime, sand, fill...prime, sand, fill...prime, sand, fill...ļ»æ You can't fool me Steve, you love this sanding melarky. Good to see primer on the girl. Ā Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray S Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 18 hours ago, Bandsaw Steve said: PRIME Minister! š Ā Ohhhh...How did I miss that one? Good pick-up Ray. Do you work for the Daily Sun? Ā Steve, no I don't! I have had a reputation (thoroughly undeserved I must say)Ā about being a rotten punster (at least, I think that is what they said). Sadly, I spent too much time working in a warehouse alone, and kept thinking of awful(ly good) puns. Ā I promise I will not share any more! Ā Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 If you did work for the Sun wouldnāt that make you a Sun Ray? š¤Ŗ Ā As as they used to say when flying Avro 504s - watch for the pun in the Sun! šĀ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I would say this thread has been going downhill but.... given where we started... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I was going to say that this build had begun to resemble a profound metaphor for the essential something or other of the thing. Ā Nonetheless, your work here never fails to be inspiring Steve. Ā Takin' us for an airplane ride... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 hours ago, TheBaron said: Ā Takin' us for an airplane ride... Take me for a six-day wonder but donāt you throw my pride aside Ā (now thatās getting obscure!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Ribbed for greater pleasure... Ā It would seem that the purpose of building most models is to derive pleasure from either building or viewing them.Ā I believe that in the case of the Avro 504 a ribbed texture on the wings will result inĀ greater pleasure... Ā First go to your local stationery supply superstore and ask for some of this stuff - it's called āgridding tapeāĀ Ā It's the stuff that is used to draw thin, consistent, straight, permanent lines on whiteboards so that the blank whiteboard surfaceĀ can be divided into a grid into which information can be written.Ā It's also pretty good for making biplane wing ribbing - although I can assure you that the shop assistant will look at you strangely if you mention this fact. Ā Inevitably using tape will not give quite the rounded full-bodied sort of shape that a genuine fabric over frame ribbing might produce, but as you can see from the photo below of the QANTAS replica 504 -Ā tape shouldn't produce aĀ bad approximation, and it's certainly a much quicker and easier method than any other I can think of. Ā Next mark up where the tapes will sit - this was doneĀ very simplyĀ by lining the wing up with the plans and transferring the locations with a pen. Ā And now just tape eachĀ rib, starting at the top trailing edge moving to the leading edge, rolling it over the leading edge and then back to the lower trailing edge.Ā Make sure that the surplus tape for the upper and the lowerĀ surfaces line up and are stuck together. Ā Trim off the surplus. Ā Leaving a nice tidy looking set of black stripes that you really can't use. This isn't a D-Day aircraft after all. Ā At this point I decided to scribe the lines on the bottom of the lower wing where the underside of the wing meets the fuselage. Once again I'm cutting these with the razor saw guided by dymo tape. Ā And here's the result. Not reallyĀ very accurate perhaps but highly practical. Ā And now it's time for some more Primer. Ā Leaving this - which is surprisingly rough.Ā The reason being that the tapeĀ is manufactured with aĀ rough texture on it's surface. It would be good for modelling an anti-slip surface in this scale. Ā So it's back to sanding. And here's a pleasant surprise. I honestly thought that it would not be possible to sand this tape because I figured it would just delaminate or unstick or roll-up under the sandpaper. But it was fine. The adhesive on this stuff is really quite strong and the layer of primer helped hold it in place as well I think - so the rough textured surface of the tape could be quite firmly sanded. Ā Leaving this result. Ā Which after a quick spraying of 'Mr Surface Primer 1200' left this... pleasurable sort of ribbed effect. šĀ Ā What I am NOT deriving any pleasure fromĀ at the moment is FLICKR... Ā I don't know if this is old news - but while preparing this update I came across a notice in Flickr saying that very early in Jan 2018 - if you want more than 1000 photos hostedĀ on Flickr you will need to upgrade to a 'pro' package and pay $49.00 per annum.Ā Ā Well Flickr (and more to the point Flickr's new owners) may I say how much I think that sucks.Ā Soon,Ā in order to maintain my previous threads in Britmodeller I will need to pay $49.00 each year, every year -Ā and ifĀ I stop paying, If I have more than 1000Ā photos - even photos that were posted long before the current owners bought the service and long before this policy was in placeĀ - the excess photosĀ will be automatically deleted from Flickr and hence from Britmodeller.Ā Ā So - it seems that Flickr is going the same way as Photobucket š¤®Ā and we all know what a debacle that was... Ā Bandsaw Steve - whose not very happy at all... š¤¬ 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 The 'ribbed' effect gave me pleasure Steve. Seems to have worked well and looks rather neatĀ As for Flickr and Photobucket, why not take a look Postimage,Ā https://postimages.org/, it's what I use and I have no problems. Ā Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Looking good Steve. Ā As to photos, I have had some success with sharing a folder within google photos. Ā As my phone / iPad all auto upload to google photos it means I wonāt need to resaveĀ Ā them in to another sharing site, just put them in to a album & share it. Ā Only done one so far but it is promising 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Letās see if a pic of my new toy from google photos works Ā Ā its not a bandsaw, but think it might be useful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Excellent results from that gridding tape Steve - highly effective! Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonners Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Gridding tape - I never thought of that! It would certainly save trying to cut consistent-thickness lengths of Tamiya tape. I'll have a look next time I'm in a stationer's shop. Ā Those wings look great. Ā Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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