bianfuxia Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 On 5/16/2018 at 4:07 AM, Mikemx said: No problem! Don't forget the decks were painted Blue and the flight Deck stained Blue as well. If you decide to do more USN ships from WW2, you'll find the ship camouflage website to be very handy. You can get USN ship colours in acrylics by Lifecolor and AK Interactive or in Enamels from Sovereign Hobbies, if you ever decide to get the proper colours. Otherwise you can just use what you think is the closest available to you. thanks Mike Hi Mike Sorry I know I could google this but it might be more accurate to ask you - any tips on roughly what shade of grey those planes (Wildcats and Avengers) would be? I imagine like a kind of dark sea grey shade? thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, bianfuxia said: Hi Mike Sorry I know I could google this but it might be more accurate to ask you - any tips on roughly what shade of grey those planes (Wildcats and Avengers) would be? I imagine like a kind of dark sea grey shade? thanks in advance! Are you painting them in the Atlantic colours of Grey + White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Mikemx said: Are you painting them in the Atlantic colours of Grey + White? Yes I guess so. I did the ship (will do the ship) with the paint scheme described on the website you suggested. That is, blue below, grey above, and a blue flight deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 hours ago, bianfuxia said: Yes I guess so. I did the ship (will do the ship) with the paint scheme described on the website you suggested. That is, blue below, grey above, and a blue flight deck. Some Atlantic based aircraft had a two tone camouflage and some had a three tone camouflage. The colours where White, Light Gull Grey and Dark Gull Grey in the three colour scheme and the two tone scheme was just White and Dark Gull Grey. Have a look at the Wings Pallete which you can see some colour profiles of Wildcats and Avengers to give you an idea. thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 Thanks again, super helpful! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 They have seperate wheels!!! eeek at that scale it would near drive you blind/mad or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 Yeah each one has five parts - the plane, two main wheels, tail wheel and prop. It comes with quite a few in the box and I would be amazed if anyone can build them all. Last night the wheels were flying left and right out of the tweezers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 Made some good progress today. Sprayed it with Haze Grey at lunchtime and then did all this in about an hour tonight: In order as I went along: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Looking great so far 👍🏻 beefy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 it does look nice even if a wee bit unusual with the bridge so far forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Made some further progress last night. The flight deck was made of wood, so far as I can tell, and then stained with a blue colour. So I painted it first with this deck tan from Vallejo, and then I will cover that with blue. Maybe I will then sand back a bit here and there to try to reflect a few images I've seen where the stain is a bit worn out. We'll see. The planes won't be that colour. I'll do the North Atlantic scheme of white with a bit of grey on top. But I already painted these before I realised that. I also added the mast and radar, plus the lower level of single AA guns. Each is two tiny pieces...only another 20 to go! Questions for anyone who might know: 1. what colour should that big radar array be? Modern ships mostly have them black, I think; the instructions suggest silver, which must be wrong. I am thinking maybe gun metal dark metal kind of colour. 2. roughly from how far back would the planes commence their take-off run? I am assuming this didn't have a catapult on it? Thanks! Of course the photos show up all the blemishes, gaps, parts where the paint missed: I will tidy all that up before the end. So I think I am pretty confident I can get this one done by the end of the GB, maybe not with its full complement of planes. Unfortunately I now have a week of business travel so I won't get anything done for a while. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Looking great so far and I would go with the gunmetal on the radar with a black wash to highlight the frame work beefy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 4:54 AM, bianfuxia said: Made some further progress last night. The flight deck was made of wood, so far as I can tell, and then stained with a blue colour. So I painted it first with this deck tan from Vallejo, and then I will cover that with blue. Maybe I will then sand back a bit here and there to try to reflect a few images I've seen where the stain is a bit worn out. We'll see. The planes won't be that colour. I'll do the North Atlantic scheme of white with a bit of grey on top. But I already painted these before I realised that. I also added the mast and radar, plus the lower level of single AA guns. Each is two tiny pieces...only another 20 to go! Questions for anyone who might know: 1. what colour should that big radar array be? Modern ships mostly have them black, I think; the instructions suggest silver, which must be wrong. I am thinking maybe gun metal dark metal kind of colour. 2. roughly from how far back would the planes commence their take-off run? I am assuming this didn't have a catapult on it? Thanks! Of course the photos show up all the blemishes, gaps, parts where the paint missed: I will tidy all that up before the end. So I think I am pretty confident I can get this one done by the end of the GB, maybe not with its full complement of planes. Unfortunately I now have a week of business travel so I won't get anything done for a while. I would paint the radar the same as the camouflage colour unless you know different (or anyone can tell you different). You can see a catapult track of the port side of the forward flight deck. The big radar is an SK-1 air search radar, very common on larger US warships. thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 gee she is looking good. As guess they would have started their take off run from about halfway on the deck at least, into the wind and the carrier going full tilt! I found this on another site, it's for RN aircraft but you get the gist. As already indicated, take-off roll depended on quite a few variables: Headwind and carrier speed, air temperature, aircraft weight/load out and flap setting are the main ones I can think of. For example: According to the USN, an F6F-5 at 12,750 lb will need roughly 300 ft to take off into a 25 knot (29 mph/45 kph) headwind. With no headwind, it will need about 650 ft. On land, it will need about 800 ft. For lighter aircraft, the difference is even greater. An F4F-4 will need about 250 ft with a 25 knot headwind, but 680 ft with no headwind. With full flaps, the same aircraft will only need about 215 ft into the headwind, and about 630 ft wihout. The Fleet Air Arm's F6F's data sheets show how much weight and headwind can affect take-off distance. F6F-5 at 11,800 lbs: 40 knot headwind: 180 ft 30 knot: 300 ft 20 knot: 435 ft F6F-5 at 13,200 lbs: 40 knot headwind: 295 ft 30 knot: 450 ft 20 knot: 630 ft Just from some quick research, the shortest take-off roll I've seen for a fighter is for the Seafire Mk II, with 140 ft into a 40 knot headwind, or 225 ft at 30 knots or 330 ft at 20 knots. I've seen the F8F quoted as 150 ft take-off roll, but without any indication of wind/loading conditions. Fulmar II 20-kt wind = 420 feet 30-kt wind = 260 feet Sea Hurricane 20-kt wind = 400 feet 30-kt wind = 270 feet Seafire Ib 20-kt wind = 410 feet 30-kt wind = 275 feet 40-kt wind = 170 feet Seafire IIc (merlin 45) 20-kt wind = 410 feet 30-kt wind = 280 feet 40-kt wind = 170 feet Seafire IIc (merlin 32) 20-kt wind = 330 feet 30-kt wind = 225 feet 40-kt wind = 140 feet Seafire III (merlin 55) 20-kt wind = 375 feet 30-kt wind = 260 feet 40-kt wind = 160 feet Seafire III (merlin 55m) 20-kt wind = 330 feet 30-kt wind = 230 feet 40-kt wind = 140 feet Firefly I 20-kt wind = 490 feet 30-kt wind = 330 feet 40-kt wind = 195 feet Firefly III 20-kt wind = 425 feet 30-kt wind = 290 feet 40-kt wind = 180 feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) Thanks for that info; I'll consider it when I lay out the planes. Meanwhile, tonight, I got back to the bench. Wife & child have gone on vacation, so I'm batching it for three weeks until I join them. The ship is now finished, bar the flight deck stain (you can see the first failed experiment on that up front). I'll fix that up later. Next job is to do some planes (the blue Avengers won't be blue but they'll be in the proper scheme). Doing all the single mount guns was pretty time consuming. Amazingly, I only lost one of them. Edited July 12, 2018 by bianfuxia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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trickyrich Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 she looks great, gosh that deck was small! I know the Avengers are big but....that would have been horrifying trying to land one on a deck that size! Slow landing speed of not. Hopefully you can make it to the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 First go of flight deck blue stain is on now. A bit of touch up and this ship is finished. Just needs some planes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 that looks good. What were the decks on her made from, wood? and a painted surface or some other protective coating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 yes exactly, wooden planks stained blue. Thanks to Mike earlier in my build for filling me in about it! http://www.shipcamouflage.com/specialtopics/BlueFlightDecks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 Well in the end I couldn't get as many planes finished as I hoped, but there are enough to give it a reasonably full looking deck anyway. I'm calling this one finished for now too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 .... and well done on #2 build! Another great looking model. It still amazes me how small that ship was (or those ships were), that Avenger looks huge on her. Landing on her in bad weather must have been truly frightening. Again thank you for joining us on this GB, look forward to seeing your future builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Gidday Bianfuxia, I'm a newbie to BM, this was before I became active in it. Plus I've only just found the GBs. I like your model very much. 1/700 is a bit small for me, I work in 1/600 (Airfix mainly) but I wish to do some carriers in the future, and if you don't mind may I call on your build for ideas and inspiration. What also appeals to me is your choice of model. I believe the small carriers played a vital role in the war, and the recognition modelers like you give them is commendable. Regards, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Gidday @bianfuxia, I've just found this thread again. Way back when I'd just joined I didn't know how to high-light a name to get your attention. As I said 4 1/2 years ago, I like this model very much. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday @bianfuxia, I've just found this thread again. Way back when I'd just joined I didn't know how to high-light a name to get your attention. As I said 4 1/2 years ago, I like this model very much. Regards, Jeff. haha thanks mate @ArnoldAmbrose. Amazingly it survived being moved recently - from one suburb to another sitting in an open box in the passenger seat of my car. The little planes didn't even fall off the deck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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