Flankerman Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 CAD images just arrived - ready to start moulding plastic....... I have no further information on actual release date - other than soon. Ken 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofiane1718 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 They're going to use the same armaments as their Su-27SM kit right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Source: https://vk.com/wall-29859496?own=1&w=wall-29859496_2142066 Nice. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234933719-172-sukhoï-su-27sm-flanker-e-f-by-zvezda-released-su-27s-su-27ub-su-30-in-progress-platz-boxing/ V.P. Edited March 22, 2018 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) Box art - ref. 7294 - Sukhoi Su-27UB "Flanker-C" Release November 2018 Sources: https://vk.com/wall-29859496?own=1&z=photo-29859496_456442231%2Falbum-29859496_00%2Frev https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10563491 V.P. Edited October 19, 2018 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 I'm very much looking forward to this kit. I like the looks two seat Su-27 better than the single seaters, and I'm glad to see a better treatment than the mediocre Trumpeter kits. Cheers! Hoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Sources: https://vk.com/armatamodels?w=wall-114983756_34996 https://armata-models.ru/catalog/istrebiteli/7294_uchebno_boevoy_samolet_su_27ub_1_72/ V.P. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Hothersall Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Looking forward to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofiane1718 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) Source: https://www.facebook.com/Zvezda.ModelKits/posts/1431166466986153 V.P. Edited October 21, 2018 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Looking forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotey Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Maube its not so clear on photos, but in model canopy will have omega-style shape without weld line on the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerlovesbeer Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 A different colour scheme/decals available for this would be nice to differentiate it from their other SU-27SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borisz Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I wonder if we are faceing with other early SU-27s from the Zvezda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
128fiddler Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 For now the only known other Flanker in the pipeline is the Su-30SM, iirc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Sprues pics, decals and more here: https://m.vk.com/wall-29859496_2267890 V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 Note the unique method of moulding the clear windscreen and canopy - invented by the Zvezda designer. It enables the canopy to be moulded with the correct horseshoe/Omega cross section - but without a slide mould that results in a seam down the canopy. A breakthrough in moulding technique. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Flankerman said: but without a slide mould that results in a seam down the canopy. Axial slide mould where the inner mould arrives and goes at the front of the outer mould ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Yep it is a solution to the old "Omega" problem! Hope they did not use this time the "soft" clear plastic resulting in so many rejects. But also see that the canopy frame is separate. Which is also a solution but also could be a problem with the glued surface which will be visible. Using white glue could be an alternative to make it invisible. But will have to see it when the plastic is available. Best regards Gabor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotey Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 As i know soft clear plastic didn't use any more than 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 This is good news Kotey! Thanks Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delide Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) On 31/10/2018 at 23:19, Flankerman said: Note the unique method of moulding the clear windscreen and canopy - invented by the Zvezda designer. It enables the canopy to be moulded with the correct horseshoe/Omega cross section - but without a slide mould that results in a seam down the canopy. A breakthrough in moulding technique. Ken Sorry, I don't think that is unique, Hasegawa moulded the Omega croess section windscreen of their 1/48 F/A-18C this way too(in 1992), it's similar to moulding a nose cone or spinner vertically, I think the part will still need to be placed/oriented in a way that it can clear the mould, this is not always possible, an obvious example is the F-16's main canopy, it's tear drop shaped, which means that no matter how you orientate the main canopy in the mould, the largest cross section will always be in the middle potion of the cavity , so the same problem as the Omega cross section will always exist, it would stuck in the mould without the slide mould to open up the cavity. In fact because canopies usually curves down at the front and at the rear end, in most case it's not possible to mould an Omega cross sectioned vertically at all: when oriented vertically, the largest cross section would not be at the end of the cavity, but in the middle, so basically it would be impossible to remove it from the cavity without breaking the part, if the mould itself could still close and wouldn't then be locked together. That is also the case with Su-27UB's canopy, but I see that Zvevda cleverly divided the main canopy into 2 parts, right at the middle frame, where the cross section is at it's largest. This way they can orientate both sections, so that the largest cross sections are at the end of the cavities, which makes it possible for these parts to clear the mould. This type of technique obviously can not be applied to canopies without middle frame. For those who would care, it requires some more careful alignment of the two sections. At this zoom level, a very slight step/misalignment is visible here at the middle frame: By the way, what was the problem with the soft clear plastic? Edited November 2, 2018 by delide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 *want* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onetogo Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 5 hours ago, delide said: By the way, what was the problem with the soft clear plastic? That clear plastic was nat possible to polish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 6 hours ago, delide said: At this zoom level, a very slight step/misalignment is visible here at the middle frame: I think that is simply due to a small mistake in actual model building by the company 6 hours ago, delide said: By the way, what was the problem with the soft clear plastic? I think the uniqueness is in that this technology has not been applied before to the Flanker “Omega” canopy (dont remember seeing it). The worst scenario was when manufacturers made the correct outer “Omega” cross section while on the inside they simply had a flat surface which basically resulted in an optical lens distorting completely the view. Of course you will never be able to reproduce in all its glory the original canopy for a plastic kit, be it any scale. Here the 72nd has an added disadvantage of minimal demanded plastic thickness for molding, which in this scale is unfortunately very noticeable. Well it is always possible to do a good vac form canopy but as far as I see modellers and manufacturers are starting to forget how it worked. I did not have a problem with the “soft” plastic, did polish it and after a “Klear” treatment it looked perfect. But I have seen photos of canopies from different parts of the world which were a complete reject as far as its surface looked. Zvezda did provide some replacements but I don’t know where this stands today. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delide Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Onetogo said: That clear plastic was nat possible to polish. Thanks! But I was referring to Gabor's post earlier, where he said "soft" clear plastic causing many rejects. I had Zvezda's Yak-3, it's canopy hat a defect, so I was wondering if it's that's problem he talked about. I contacted Zvezda but got no reply, then I bought an other one, and it has exactly the same problem☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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