rob Lyttle Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I'm building a C45, and I'm looking at separating the control surfaces and giving them a bit of deflection. I can't quite figure out how the rudders and elevator interact without fouling each other. Is that a quadrant of unmovable horizontal tailplane that a gap in the rudders moves over? Any insight or reference material would be most appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Is this of any use? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) Good one, @dogsbody. Thanks for that. As you can see, there's an issue for me to sort here, to stop things clashing. Hadn't even thought about actuators!😃 Edited March 9, 2018 by rob Lyttle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 This is the only good photo I have of the tailplane of the Beech 18 at the Alberta Aviation Museum. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 OK, good find, Chris.🌟🎈🌟 That looks like a straight cut for the end of the elevator. And a rudder fillet that slides inside the fixed section, and that would include the operating mechanism mentioned in your excellent 3view drawing! D'you reckon that's what we're looking at? Well, the elevator is a doddle at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 @dogsbody, do you mind if I use your references on my build thread? Love to explain what I'm trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, dogsbody said: This is the only good photo I have of the tailplane of the Beech 18 at the Alberta Aviation Museum. Chris As Chris has illustrated and pointed out, the small fairing section attached to the rudder moves inside the straight fixed section of fairing that is next to the elevator. The elevator has a pointed fairing attached on the underside that also moves inside the tail cone assembly when the elevator is depressed. That one drove me crazy for quite a while to figure out until I could find a real C-45 to examine. BTW, we are long overdue for an accurate new-tool Bugsmasher! Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Got you precisely, @72modeler. I see what you're talking about. I'm going to have to take a saw to that little rascal if I want some elevator drop. This is the upper tailplane moulding that I was dealing with. Doesn't give much away. Excellent stuff, guys. Thanks!🌟 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: @dogsbody, do you mind if I use your references on my build thread? Love to explain what I'm trying to do. Give'er! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: Got you precisely, @72modeler. I see what you're talking about. I'm going to have to take a saw to that little rascal if I want some elevator drop. This is the upper tailplane moulding that I was dealing with. Doesn't give much away. Excellent stuff, guys. Thanks!🌟 What kit? Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) This is the Revell boxing of the ICM mould. 1/48. Somebody on the tip thread said it was the"new" updated and much improved version. I couldn't say, as it's the only one I've seen. But all good so far. On here, Edited March 10, 2018 by rob Lyttle add link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Wow! I've got two different 1/72 kits with better looking tailplanes than that 1/48 kit. Pioneer on the left, Hobbycraft on the right. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 hours ago, dogsbody said: Wow! I've got two different 1/72 kits with better looking tailplanes than that 1/48 kit. But in both cases the movable part takes whole span, whereas it should end earlier and the most outer parts are those acuators with that complex geometry... J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Must admit I do get dismayed at the way kit designers deal with control surfaces They are such an intrinsic part of the airframe, and a bit of deflection or deployment can add a lot to the look of the plane. But you need a good knife...! I just finished some Red Arrows Hawks. Even the 1/32 Revell needed major surgery and reconstruction to deploy the flaps, which are always down when parked D'you reckon we'd get bored if they made it too easy?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Flaps have rarely been provided separately, but it was common to have the other controls provided as separate, even movable, parts. Perhaps it should be considered why they went out of fashion? Because they looked unreal, with excessive gaps and an unattractive toy-like appearance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Well, Graham, I hear what you're saying about moving parts - pretty pointless in a static model. I'd far rather have bulged tyres than rotating wheels! (I still love a good spinning prop you can blow, though!)😃 It's good to have options, though, and it sometimes feels like they take too many easy options. What a great bit of design work by Beech on the tail here, and look at the slabs of styrene I got . Completely unsympathetic to the design of the airframe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, JWM said: But in both cases the movable part takes whole span, whereas it should end earlier and the most outer parts are those acuators with that complex geometry... J-W I guess nobody got it right. Pity the poor modeller. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Nothing ventured, nothing gained! Still got to decide what to do with the little side panels, but I'm thinking about splitting -off the rudders. Even if I put them back straight, I'll have the chance to make something shaped around the balance tabs etc I'll continue this on my thread. Thanks again for all the info and assistance!👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just in case you don't already have enough Beech photos. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) That second photo was taken at the Alberta Aviation Museum in 2007. It has since been moved out of the city, to the Villeneuve airport, about 35 km. to the northwest. This photo was taken this past August. It doesn't look as good now. Chris Edited March 10, 2018 by dogsbody 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 @dogsbody, isn't that a shame? Looks like it was dismantled for transportation. Really should be put back together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Is it the shadows, or is the ICM version slightly asymmetric port and stb'd, in that fairing area, with respect to the fixed section ? While one can probably find a lot on the net, I guess that part of the airframe is hard to do for a kit designer if he has no clear close up and so literally no picture how precisely it works. Anyway, good to see another Granger fan out there, with apparently a complete run of Planes and Wingspan :-) Edited March 13, 2018 by tempestfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Probably a photo thing, @tempestfan. They were close enough for ICM. There's been a bit of surgery going on... The two quadrants removed have both been added to the port rudder to give left hand stick, which just leaves a little recess in the starboard to sort out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, tempestfan said: Is it the shadows, or is the ICM version slightly asymmetric port and stb'd, in that fairing area, with respect to the fixed section ? While one can probably find a lot on the net, I guess that part of the airframe is hard to do for a kit designer if he has no clear close up and so literally no picture how precisely it works. Anyway, good to see another Granger fan out there, with apparently a complete run of Planes and Wingspan :-) I don't have the complete set. I'm missing a few Planes and I only have a couple of the Wingspans. The local vendor was kind of iffy on his magazine supply back then. I did find a few more Granger drawings online number of years ago, but I can't find them again and I forget where it was. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 D'you guys know anything about what looks like a heating system between nacelles and fuselage on the underside of the plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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