rob Lyttle Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Thanks for that, @Biggu. Only one way to find out if you like it. But I always say get some practice in before you set about your pride and joy. I set about one of the rudders... Not the easiest zigzag manoeuvre on a fairly thick moulding, but it yielded in the end. One more to do. I reckon this tailplane is worth going the extra mile!😃 I'll probably stick with the kit decal sheet for this one, although there are some great civilian styles out there too. Funny enough, I met Mr Belcher and Mrs too. They were on the way to the Telford Show. and just happened to come in the sweet shop in Winchester . Edited March 12, 2018 by rob Lyttle add on 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) The tailplane is coming along bit by- bit. The two quadrants that represent the extensions on the rudders were cut off the tailplane moulding. One was glued in place on the port rudder, and then the other was glued on top of that. So I've got max deflection "left hand stick" and the slide join is fully extended. The other side will have the slide join fully closed, with the same left turn deflection . That's both little quadrant bits on the port rudder. That just leaves a recess in the side of the starboard rudder where It's quadrant piece would have fitted. I'll fabricate something to fill the gap, and maybe a little bit protruding to look like it's sliding into the tailplane fairing. Edited March 13, 2018 by rob Lyttle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) On 06/03/2018 at 11:58 PM, rob Lyttle said: Some nice detail coming to light around the nacelles and wings I'm just putting the little cockpit roof-windows in, now that the roof area is foiled. I've just been looking at the current Flypast, and there's a lovely view showing this a large fairing running chordwise across the fuselage, widening where it goes onto the wing and ending against the nacelle. This was new to me, but here it is again. I can only assume it is to do with cabin heating, but it seems excessive. Any ideas? And when did it appear - should it be on a lot more models or only current examples? Edited March 13, 2018 by Graham Boak Magazine and text corrected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 No sign of any thing like that on photos and drawings that I've got. But I'm on a steep learning curve with the Expeditor, starting from almost zero! I guess there's been many one-off mods tried over the years to suit requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I've hauled out the magazine - the photo is of G-BKGL currently on the British show circuit. Which aircraft are these close-ups of? if a different aircraft, then this is a standard bit of kit not a one-off. I've also altered my original post to amplify and correct matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) @Graham Boak, I'm using the pictures in the BM walkaround section. They're both US. First has a reg N45something on the fin. Other is an unidentified Wyoming Fire-fighter Edited March 13, 2018 by rob Lyttle add link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I've just been looking at the current Flypast, and there's a lovely view showing this a large fairing running chordwise across the fuselage, widening where it goes onto the wing and ending against the nacelle Ive looked at the photos of G-BKGL online. Is the fairing you're talking about the one on the bottom of the wing between the nacelles ? If that is the one. I agree it might be a cabin heat exchanger fairing ? Edited March 13, 2018 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Heres a picture from the internet of what is listed as G-BKGL. You can see the fairing between the nacelles. Like Graham said and i agree that its probably a heat exchanger for cabin heat. Dennis the photo is the property of whomever posted it to the internet. I just used it for information purposes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Hmmmm... Just had a look in Flypast. Quite a noticeable feature on the underside. No sign of it on my 3view drawings though. Not even a hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 My instructions indicate black leading edges on outer wings, tailplane and lower fins, presumably to indicate de-icing boots. Not seeing much of that in the photo references! Any opinions? Later fit? Cold climate spec? C45=Tricky little subject, isn't it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Yes De-Icing boots were not always installed, it really depended on location and usage of the aircraft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Underside wing features solved then, thanks to @gingerbob. A less than subtle spar reinforcement. I suppose it stands to reason - They already had a heating system installed. And if you wanted a replacement, you'd put the plumbing somewhere in an uncritical space and leave the main wing spar area well alone! Must be a real challenge keeping these old birds airworthy! Edited March 14, 2018 by rob Lyttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggu Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Rob, I lovin this and I did try your idea on a Revell, yet to be built Ford trimotor, with all the corrugated 'aluminum' , I tried a small very curved area of the top wing and it worked like a charm, also I managed to pull it off with no problems at all, which leads me to believe it will be somewhat forgiving if ( when ) I mess it up.....I am also thinking it will be a GOOD replacement for chrome wheel opening moldings on car models...... again, thanks for being brave enough and generous to post your work, you have put to rest many of my trepidations.... I am following with great interest.... Jeff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 @Biggu, nothing to fear but fear itself! You're right, if it goes wrong peel off and try again👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Little bit of modelling done as time permits, This is the top of the wing, which is a fairly regular single curve until the nacelle bulge. I've split the foil from this point to let the coverage continue on the wing. I also left a mm uncovered for the fuselage edge to glue to. Trimmed and buffed up, panel lines picked out again and good to go. The top of the nose has been bothering me because it looked dipped or sunk a little, right in front of the screen. Anyway I tried a bit of filling , and it Was needed after all. The screen itself needed just a little abrasive action top and bottom to let it click into place, so snug I just left it in place - no glue reqd.! Safest option really, when it comes to me, glue and transparencies.... Some strips of foil top and bottom and glazing bars. I noticed on some pics a pair of windscreen wipers. I've already done one for my B57 Canberra, so I might have a go later. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: Safest option really, when it comes to me, glue and transparencies You’d think so until your carrying the model and it pops out just in time and the right way to be stepped on by you. 😉 Sorry I've had that happen before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I hear you, Dennis. But I have the added benefit of strips of sticy-back Ali on joints. The reflection makes it look like I've been trying a smiley sharks mouth! Glad I did that bit of filling on the top of the nose - that would have bugged me when it showed through the foil. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 @Corsairfoxfouruncle What are you working on at the moment, Dennis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Hello @rob Lyttle ... here is my current WIP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 In between aeroplane building sessions, I have been working on some furniture projects... The two to the front are the pilots' seats, and each has 5 parts - 2 for the seat bit and 3 for the support arrangements! Really, who's going to see that?? Somebody at ICM is a furniture enthusiast! Oh, and seatbelts for all, on the transfer sheet. Seen some discussion on BM etc about the bronze greens and mixing ratios for the interior and fittings - you know, what's correct for USAF spec. interior etc. I just can't get interested at ALL in that. I just did some greens and stuff. Who cares? - it's the plane I'm interested in! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 On the foil scene, I want to get as much of the wing surfaces done while they are flat on the table, before the big join up. Having a left and right is always handy, so one can be getting the foil and the other is a reference for where the panel lines and details are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 There's been action, and it's been testing at times. The main challenge has been the engine nacelles, and with all those compound curves going on, it was expected! Again, the Plan was to get as much foil covering done as possible before joining top and bottom. Here is a strip of foil going over the top section of nacelle and cowling. Easy so far, but now it's going over the front curve of the cowling... Working from the centre line, and easing the excess foil out towards the sides where it can be trimmed off at the panel lines. Little segments at back and sides to fill in down to the wing surfaces, Then some more on the cowling, And so on.... Underside as well of course! So it's been challenging. A few pieces were peeled off in disgust, thrown away and done again. But gradually I got there. Now that little insert is a piece to represent the cooling gills, and I think I'll try to use them instead of scratching something out of Ali sheet. Any way, some time later.... Some internal assembly including a length of sprue frame reinforcement between the engine bulkhead and the front of the u/c bay,, Nail clippers saw some action on the tops of those bulkheads as I tried to get the nacelle halves to go together.... It's been a laugh, I tellya!😂 But lo and behold... There's issues to deal with, especially around the cowlings, but a mountain has been climbed. Feels like it, Anyway!! As the famous CedB is known to have said, "I need a lie down" 😃 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Quick reminder of what I'm supposed to be achieving... So the top/bottom joints on the cowlings are not the panel joints on the plane. Hmmmm But check out the big cover strip on the nacelle to wing join! A few more details for me to ponder Edited March 20, 2018 by rob Lyttle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 There's a bit of cowling work going on in stages, so as not to drive me nuts.....! But in between, I'm doing other things, like the wing leading edges, All prepped up and ready for a long narrow strip along the outer l.e. The inner section is short but a bit more involved. I cut a curved side in the foil to allow for the side of the nacelle, and fitted it across the front over the two intakes Then just worked it back above and below to the panel lines. And cleaned up the intakes, Ready for another bash at the cowlings..... I love them really!? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Enough progress to warrant a quick masking tape assembly of wings to fuselage, and off to the club meeting. The cowlings are coming on OK, and a few other things are progressing, Rivets... There's more done, but I keep losing it as I switch between flickr and here, so I'll paste this bit...😠 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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