Aardvark Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Hmm...... Both tanks have central "valve" on the middle. Most likely it is identical on both tank. Knowing the size of it "valve" on the standard tank, it is possible to give the size of the non-standard tank to similar scale and to calculate what quantity "valve" will be located on the tank in is long. Further to multiply the size by quantity we will receive it is long tank. B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Tailspin Turtle said: I've never had any luck with accurately scaling overall shapes from photographs and relative to the tanks shown here: http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2018/03/fj-1-tip-tanks-1948-bendix-race.html, your estimate would be almost as long as the longest tank and twice its diameter. I don't think that's likely. Note that scaling the NAA drawing, the standard tank is a little over 29 inches in diameter and about 10 feet 9 inches long. Are those the dimensions you used? I have used this TT- The drawing I have indicates a standard 170 gal (US) tank being about 30” diameter with a length of 11’6” (1/72: dia. 10.6mm. length 48.6mm). 13 hours ago, Sabrejet said: Any takers? SJ- Your ‘shadow’ image onto the plan would give the 250 gal (US) a length of 14’. (1/72: length 59.2mm) Putting this aside for the moment, using volume formula for the 120 gal(US) we get the following increases: A 30” (1/72 10.6mm) diameter tank would need to lengthen by 39” to accommodate the extra volume making the tank about 14’8” (1/72 62mm) long. A 36” (1/72 12.7mm) diameter tank would need to lengthen by 27” to accommodate the extra volume making the tank about 13’8” (1/72 57.8mm) long. Using SJ’s ‘shadow tank’ of 14’ and 120 gal (US) the increase would equate to diameter increase from 30” to 34” (1/72 12mm) I have added the 1/72 measurements in red for those that may be interested. How does this ‘fly’? Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 B.w. I advise to pay attention on photoetched from RES-IM for Valom! https://www.scalemates.com/kits/957262-res-im-pe72032-fj-1 This production Eduard under a trademark RES-IM therefore a series is limited. On the website RES-IM of it photoetched isn't present any more! http://www.res-im.cz/FJ-1-Fury-SOLD-OUT-d7027.htm But you still can buy it, for example here:https://www.jadarhobby.pl/resim-pe72032-172-fj1-fury-valom-p-42048.html?manufacturers_id=449 It not bad in my look: SIGA v.s. RES-IM v.s. Valom: Left SIGA photoetched, center RES-IM photoetced right original Valom photoetced. B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 17 hours ago, Aardvark said: Hmm...... Both tanks have central "valve" on the middle. Most likely it is identical on both tank. Knowing the size of it "valve" on the standard tank, it is possible to give the size of the non-standard tank to similar scale and to calculate what quantity "valve" will be located on the tank in is long. Further to multiply the size by quantity we will receive it is long tank. B.R. Serge I think that "valve" may be for a bolt or something similar to secure the tank to the wing tip. It looks like it is in line with the wing spar. Logically it would serve the same purpose on both tanks. However, at the moment I'm having trouble lining it up with the pictures and the North American drawing that Courageous posted while attempting to use the fins it to scale the two different tanks. For sure, the North American drawing shows the wing tip on the side view of the tank (dotted line) and the tank's outline in the top view in two different locations, which is discouraging (which one is lying to me?). That said, the Bendix tank I created using the fin as a baseline is about the same size as the Bendix tank drawing I created for my post (http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2018/03/fj-1-tip-tanks-1948-bendix-race.html) based on it being cobbled up using standard 150-gallon tank fore and aft sections. Note that a volume analysis may be misleading because the standard tanks clearly have relatively large voids. The FJ-1's wing tip with the tip-tank capability also occupies some portion of the tank. In order for my Bendix tank to work, the voids have to be utilized to get the fuel volume quoted. Courageous: scaling that NAA drawing pretty accurate on Illustrator, I get a length of 11' 1". More later... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Again, working from the shadow, you get a good idea of where the leading and trailing edges of the tanks are: So this is how I see it (diameter not representative and yes I know the fins weren't horizontal and the flange not vertical: those are limitations of my Paintshop skills and patience!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 About drawings and Valom. I have such Russian edition with drawings on Fury. These drawings some pirate copy, but polygraphy quite good. As you see model Valom well there corresponds to these drawings behind an exception the tail a cone and minor problems about stabilizer. All this is remediable! Everything is good with Valom?! But the devil is in details! At the front view, the asymmetry between left and the right half the fuselage from above is observed! This problem is less expressed than at SIGA, but it is! This problem it is badly remediable. B.R. Serge P.S. This panel line on the wing: it's correct??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Sabrejet said: Again, working from the shadow, you get a good idea of where the leading and trailing edges of the tanks are: Very clever - it supports my current assessment. More later after I try harder to resolve some of the inconsistencies in the NAA drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Aardvark said: P.S. This panel line on the wing: it's correct??? That panel line appears to correspond with the location of the original speed brakes, which extended above and below the wing via a parallelogram mechanism. It was deleted in favor of fuselage-mounted speed brakes following an incident in which one side extended and the other didn't. It's possible that the panel remained but it's not on the pretty good NAA drawing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 @Sabrejet, what scale is your drawing and plastic tanks, 1/72? What tanks are they? Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Drawing not scaled, but should be easy enough to overlay onto a drawing of known scale. The 'plastic' tanks are in fact the side-view photos of the Bendix tanks, but with the top flipped and copied to show a complete tank. Because they are pretty much side-on in the photo, I think they are a decent rendition of the correct proportions; they are sized to agree with my 'shadow' assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I've done some more work on this. One problem is inconsistency between available North American drawings of the FJ-1. For example, the scrap view of the tip tanks in the NAA drawing that Stuart posted has a wing-tip interface that is different from the one shown on the top view, which appears to be correct. As a result, I can't be certain that I've correctly captured the size and location of the Bendix tank on the wing tip but I've updated my post with my latest guess: http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2018/03/fj-1-tip-tanks-1948-bendix-race.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Tailspin Turtle said: I've done some more work on this. One problem is inconsistency between available North American drawings of the FJ-1. For example, the scrap view of the tip tanks in the NAA drawing that Stuart posted has a wing-tip interface that is different from the one shown on the top view, which appears to be correct. As a result, I can't be certain that I've correctly captured the size and location of the Bendix tank on the wing tip but I've updated my post with my latest guess: http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2018/03/fj-1-tip-tanks-1948-bendix-race.html Nice one: looks about right to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Looks good to me too, think I'll get a couple of 3D prints done and see how they look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Hi all, Does anybody have a close-up image of the front undercarriage down at the bottom of the oleo as I'm having problems in understanding how it's meant to go together Thanks Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Hope these help! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Fantastic SJ . The only 'little' problem is I've mounted the 'twin cylinder' 180 degrees out... Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Courageous said: Fantastic SJ . The only 'little' problem is I've mounted the 'twin cylinder' 180 degrees out... Stuart Leave it: no-one will EVER notice! (except me I guess). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 I might just do that, don't tell. I was hedging my bets that you Fj-2 was the same as the Fj-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Did you have any luck with the decals? I am currently trying to finish my SIGA version as the first XFJ-1 for which the kit decals are unsuitable so mine are going spare. I am having a decal problem of my own. I bought a set so that I could finish my Pirate. There were 6 the size I needed and I used 4 on the Pirate. When I came to do the FJ-1 I found it needed the same size decals as the Pirate so I am two short. I don't fancy buying another complete sheet just to get two decals and ending up with two almost complete sheets of useless decals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 On 15/04/2018 at 10:07 PM, John R said: Did you have any luck with the decals? Hi John. Yes, decals sorted from Valom, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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