Old Viper Tester Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) Well, it was supposed to be a SLCM chase mission in 1992... that's a Submarine Launched Cruise Missile. We were going to chase a Tomahawk missile from an underwater launch position off the coast of California and chase it to impact on the Utah Test and Training Range. We were providing two NRF-4C chase aircraft and a "business effort" tanker to chase the Navy missile. The business effort tankers were temporarily at Edwards AFB for a week at a time to supplement the test center tanker. On our way to the coast... When we got to the designated launch position, we orbited waiting for a countdown from the Pacific Missile Test Range controller. Waiting... waiting... then we were notified that there was a delay and asked if we could hang around. We called the tanker in and began refueling... The tanker was from the 185th Aerial Refueling Squadron of the Oklahoma Air National Guard. On the boom and "in the green"... '384 got a pressure disconnect trying to get as much fuel as he could... Normally, the boom operator in the tanker would initiate the disconnect and stop the flow of fuel at the same time that the boom disconnected. That would result in just a little bit of fuel going into the air. With a pressure disconnect, the system detects an increase in fuel system pressure, indicating the receiving aircraft is full or that there is some kind of problem. The boom disconnects automatically, but there is still some excess fuel at the receiver, resulting in a spray of fuel as shown here. (How do I model that?) In any event, the delay evolved into an aborted launch, so we headed home... (Guess I should have flipped the image so that it looked like we were heading east.) For USAF cruise missiles, we would normally have used the NF-4Es (ex-Thunderbirds). Those jets had missile flight termination equipment in case something went wrong with the missile flight profile. For the Navy missiles we only provided safety chase, presumable to watch for aerial traffic (which should have been cleared) and mark the position if it crashed en route to the range, so any pair of F-4s would do to provide observers and be able to take turns air refueling to cover the length of the flight profile. Thanks for looking, Sven Edited February 22, 2018 by Old Viper Tester added data, typos 24 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyverns4 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Many thanks Sven. An amazing bit of history. Now who does the decals? I am not a Phantom man per se, (I do humbly apologize ), but that looks very tempting. Christian, exiled to africa and lead astray again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Very nice, Sven Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Viper Tester Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, wyverns4 said: Now who does the decals? Don't know that any aftermarket decals are available. In 1/72 scale, this kit gets you the closest, but it is essentially an F-4E rather than an RF-4C: All of the basic markings for any Edwards Albino Rhino are provided. The box top photo doesn't show them but the kit decal sheet provides the "ED" tail codes. They even have the red conspicuity panels. They don't provide the AF Systems Command shield, and since it's an F-4E kit, it doesn't have the warning triangles for the photoflash doors on the RF-4C aft fuselage. You'd still have to cobble up the serial numbers. Maybe a bit much if your not a Phantom Phanatic. Cheers, Sven Edited February 22, 2018 by Old Viper Tester 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Old Viper Tester said: Maybe a bit much if your not a Phantom Phanatic. Is that legal? (not being a Phantom Phanatic, I mean) Ciao 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Another great set of pics Sven. I wish someone would do some aftermarket Edwards decals for F/RF-4's in both 1/72 and 1/48. I know Cutting Edge used to do a set but they are as rare as hen's teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Talk to Kursad at Caracal Decals or Jake Melampy at Speed Hunter Graphics. Those 2 guys are probably your best bet (I'd start with Jake as he does more F-4 sheets) in getting a set of Edward F-4's accurately produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/21/2018 at 9:32 PM, Old Viper Tester said: but there is still some excess fuel at the receiver, resulting in a spray of fuel as shown here. (How do I model that?) Just some thoughts but If i were going to model that I’d build a mini wind tunnel. Then i would pump in some form of smoke/misting material through the boom to simulate the fuel. Then just recirculate it using a duct of some kind. In the end its possible not cheap but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Viper Tester Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: I’d build a mini wind tunnel. Then i would pump in some form of smoke/misting material through the boom to simulate the fuel. Yeah, that's not going to happen I'm still stuck on how to suspend a 1/72 F-4 from a refueling boom without a lot of bracing. Maybe the wind tunnel airflow would help support the Phantom if the whole thing enclosed the NKC-135E as well? Hmmmm... If I ever get that far, some cotton wisps may have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Actually I was thinking the boom itself was doing both the suspension, and fuel flow. My original thought was to use a a thick piece of wire rod, say the same size as a coat hanger. You could run that up either inside the hollow tube or attached directly in front of it(underneath). You could then run the wire inside the phantom and suspend it from the boom. However now that i think about it you would still have a single contact point. Which could result in a swivel, I see your point. 😕 Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad-4N Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Caracal Decals just released a sheet for these Phantoms in 1/48. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaracalModels Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) A 1/72 version will also be released in December. Edited October 13, 2020 by CaracalModels 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dot Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 super photos and story Sven Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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