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Ok this is a bit of an old idea but a recent comment in a build thread sort of got it going again, with an added extra......it's all your fault Col! I would like to have a GB that would combine a few themes that I know a lot of members are interested in, but due to their speciality just can’t get enough interest to get a GB up.

 

So this GB is for the specialists in their field, I know it's namely aircraft but I know there are land and sea craft will fit the bill as well. So there'll be four (4) specialist category’s:

 

1, Recon/AWACS/ECM

2, Nightfighters

3, Tank Busters

4, Ship Killers

 

These need not be just aircraft, so for those that love ships and AFV’s, you’ll need to put your thinking caps on. Ok the details for each build:

 

1, Recon: It must have been designed for Recon duties or have been fitted out for Recon work. I know there are specific AFV’s that are classed as Recon vehicles so these are fine, I don’t know of any specific ships. This has now been extended to cover ELINT and AWACS plus ground based Radar mobile equipment. 

 

A new addition to this group is ECM aircraft (and others) this will include Wild Weasel aircraft as well.

 

2, Nightfighters: must have been operational and used for Night Fighting operations, this is fairly straight forward.

 

3, Tank Busters: designed for or used as tank killers, there are the obvious ones, but others were fitted out for tank killing, the build must be in that configuration, not just bombs fitted. AFV’s, I know there where specialist ones designed as tank killers (Jagdpanthers, M-10’s, Su-85’s, Cromwell's or Sherman Fireflies..etc), so you'll need to research this one. Straight Sherman’s, Tigers, and T-34/76’s won’t do.

 

4, Ship Killers: again designed for or used as ship killers, these can be torpedo, dive bombers, or carrying ship killer missiles, the build must be in that configuration. Torpedo boats and Sub’s can be included, again research is the key. This one is a bit harder as I know all ships are designed as ship killers....just try not to think outside the box.....please!

 

There’s a little bit of thought required if you want to go outside the box but there is a truly a huge range of choices with lots of favourites being available. Plus its a chance for some to finally get their favourites through into a GB. If I could I’d have a build in each category, they’re really all just so interesting builds.

 

There will be a gallery for each type to be fair. I know this is prominently an aircraft GB but I their are Naval and AFV’s that would fit each category. So I may need help with this, Co-Hosts with speciality in Naval or AFV's would be gratefully appreciated.  

 

...and here's the list;

 

1, trickyrich    - Host

2, vppelt68

3, Col.     - Co-Host

4, franky boy

5, Corsairfoxfouruncle

6, Jabba

7, zebra

8, zegeye

9, TEMPERTMK5

10, Sabre_days

11, MarkSH

12, Arniec

13, Knight_Flyer

14, SleeperService

15, modelling minion

16, CliffB

17, Richard E

18, JOCKNEY

19, Valkyrie

20, DaveyGair

21, Angus Tura

22, rafalbert

23, spaddad

24, Rabbit Leader

25, Black Knight

26, Sgt.Squarehead

27, Romeo Alpha Yankee

28, Creepy Pete

29, jrlx

30, 1903flight

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Oh... You want me to build four Ju 88:s? D, P, G and A/Torp should all be eligible in various Specialist subclasses. But I'm in with just one. V-P

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why just one......when you have a stash clearing chance to build 4!!! :D

 

I'm glad you get the idea.

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Oh go on then, since it's my fault, sign me up to co-host :lol:

Was thinking various marks of the Hawker Hurricane would fill the first three categories and a Sea Harrier with a couple of Sea Eagle missiles underwing for the anti-shipping as a quick example from my immediate stash. Or a Beaufighter for 2. and 4. :hmmm:

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2 hours ago, trickyrich said:

why just one......when you have a stash clearing chance to build 4!!! :D

 

I'm glad you get the idea.

Tbh... I have 0 Ju 88 kits in my stash atm. Will need one before the Maritime Patrol GB though, unless I go for a FW 200 there...

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Great idea Rich

 

Ive been voting for the night Fighter gb for ages now.

 

Please put me down.

 

 Thanks 

 

James

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Im in with either a Recon F-4/5 version of a P-38 or Nightfighter a P-38M.

 

For those looking for a Ship option in the Recon role. 

And to quote wikipedia: 

“USS Pueblo (AGER-2) is a Banner-class environmental research ship, attached to Navy intelligence as a spy ship, which was attacked and captured by North Korean forces on 23 January 1968, in what is known today as the "Pueblo incident" or alternatively, as the "Pueblo crisis".

 

That could be an option for a recon ship ? Or one of the many Soviet era Trawlers that were used for SigInt. Signal’s Intelligence gathering. 

 

EDIT: Decided i would build my He-219 for this. I believe that qualifies for the nightfighters area. 

Edited by Corsairfoxfouruncle

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Good idea. I’m in for recon at least - I have a few options there but an RF-84F springs to mind and I’ll be getting an Airfix Meteor FR.9 when it’s released. Not sure what I’d do for the other three.

 

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well I'd better start a list! I knew there would be some interest, especially in the first two. Poor old Nightfighters, I don't know how long we have tried to get this one up again so maybe this time and I think the Recon GB will be a first here.

 

For ship killers the OSA-1 and family of Missile boats are a good example of what I'm thinking, along with PT, Vosper's, and E-boats.

 

Oh and Zoukei Mura will have their 1/32nd Hs-129 out by then, maybe even a 1/48th version? That's if they can stop making all those Phantom variations....well maybe after the E or G model! :D (they've actually just mentioned that first test shots will be soon! :yahoo:).

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I'm in. For recon or nightfighter. Or  for those two if they will follow each other. But to the nightfighters.... you've set they must be designed as nightfighter....  but I think is a lot of planes suited (fitted out) for this rolle but not designed for. especialy in japanese planes but not only (f.eg. Blenheim)

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7 minutes ago, zegeye said:

I'm in. For recon or nightfighter. Or  for those two if they will follow each other. But to the nightfighters.... you've set they must be designed as nightfighter....  but I think is a lot of planes suited (fitted out) for this rolle but not designed for. especialy in japanese planes but not only (f.eg. Blenheim)

hmmm I need to correct that, "designed" is to limiting and that's not quite what I meant, it should have read "Operational". I'll correct that, thanks for the pickup. :thumbsup:

 

and you're added to the list 

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Good morning Rich

Count me in I have the new HB P61A Black Widow in my stash ...

 

However I think that  Recon and Nightfighters would deserve a Gb of their own ...

 

Patrice

 

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26 minutes ago, TEMPESTMK5 said:

However I think that  Recon and Nightfighters would deserve a Gb of their own ...

 

Patrice

You are so right with that. But as the November vote seems to be too high an obstacle for these subjects, I applaud Rich for coming up with a scheme to get pass the vote, if not properly through :coolio:

V-P

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Great idea, please count me in. I've been waiting for an excuse to put a P-61 in a group build (though Battle of the Bulge 75th and Island Hopping would also work)...the other categories also have lots of potential (a Norwegian F-16 with Penguin missiles has a definite appeal...)

 

Re: ships in the Recon category, I'd assume anything with a primary intelligence gathering tasking, such as Soviet AGI spy trawlers or a Stalwart-class T-AGOS would be eligible? Submarines might be a tough one in that it's a safe bet just about any post-World War II sub other than ballistic and guided missile boats has likely carried out intelligence gathering missions of some sort, but most of those missions are still highly classified...

 

As for ship killers, would it work to take the same approach you're suggesting for AFVs in the tank buster category - anything with a primary ASuW tasking (i.e. all capital ships, most cruisers and some destroyers) is in, but anything with AAW or ASW as a primary role (e.g. Ticonderoga-class CG, Spruance-class DD) is out?

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I specialise in Not Finishing GBs. Can we add a 5th category? :D

 

 

How about (being slightly more serious) adding an 'Aircraft Killers' category (bear with me please)- the trackheads get SAMs, FlaK and mobile AA guns, many of which are available in model form, the ship guys can do antiaircraft destroyers and cruisers and German FlaK trawlers (and probably others that I know diddly about) and the wingythingy desperados can do... anything EXCEPT fighter aircraft (because that's too easy). I will still allow WW1 scouts equipped with le Prieur rockets for anti-Zeppelin missions as balloons etc are aircraft, but I'd like to see some deep research taking place to find an aircraft not generally accepted as a fighter that managed to down something else in a combat of some sort - I know that there's stuff out there. The low hanging fruit here is of course WW2 bombers and the like, but that's no challenge; I'd like some effort made to find something really esoteric. We could also add in aircraft that scored a victory in combat without firing a shot; again, I've read accounts of that happening and I'll accept fighters/scouts here. Obviously there'll have to be proof of some sort presented for those 2 sections, but I'm sure that we can overcome any difficulties there.

 

Or is that all too complicated? Feel free to tell me to POQ or to exclude airyplanes from the category or whatever. I just thought that 'those others' may enjoy something that goes their way for a change.

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33 minutes ago, Rob G said:

I specialise in Not Finishing GBs. Can we add a 5th category? :D

 

 

How about (being slightly more serious) adding an 'Aircraft Killers' category (bear with me please)- the trackheads get SAMs, FlaK and mobile AA guns, many of which are available in model form, the ship guys can do antiaircraft destroyers and cruisers and German FlaK trawlers (and probably others that I know diddly about) and the wingythingy desperados can do... anything EXCEPT fighter aircraft (because that's too easy). I will still allow WW1 scouts equipped with le Prieur rockets for anti-Zeppelin missions as balloons etc are aircraft, but I'd like to see some deep research taking place to find an aircraft not generally accepted as a fighter that managed to down something else in a combat of some sort - I know that there's stuff out there. The low hanging fruit here is of course WW2 bombers and the like, but that's no challenge; I'd like some effort made to find something really esoteric. We could also add in aircraft that scored a victory in combat without firing a shot; again, I've read accounts of that happening and I'll accept fighters/scouts here. Obviously there'll have to be proof of some sort presented for those 2 sections, but I'm sure that we can overcome any difficulties there.

 

Or is that all too complicated? Feel free to tell me to POQ or to exclude airyplanes from the category or whatever. I just thought that 'those others' may enjoy something that goes their way for a change.

 

Sounds good to me! Though, would an aircraft have to have scored a victory in combat to qualify? I can think of a few very unusual possibilities that weren't actually used in combat...the Boeing YAL-1 airborne laser platform version of the 747 for a start...granted, its intended targets were missiles not aircraft, but it was still designed to destroy flying objects. Similarly, the original prototype of the Myasishchev M-17/M-55 series, Subject 34, was intended as an aerostat balloon interceptor. And of course there are the Sidewinder-toting Nimrods of the Falklands War and later...

 

Conversely, among aircraft that did score victories in actual combat, although it was technically classed as a fighter, the U.S. Marine Corps night fighter version of the PV-1 Ventura is a subject I've been wanting to enter in a group build for some time primarily because it was, to the best of my knowledge, the only successful conversion of an airliner airframe into a fighter (for a certain value of "successful," of course, and rejecting out of hand the cover story that the Do.17 was "originally intended" as an "airliner...")

 

In any case, I've got Dragon's 1:700 scale USS San Diego in my stash, hopefully someone will release an injection-moulded 1:72 ZSU-23-4 Shilka or 9K33 Osa (SA-8 "Gecko") before too long, and since I didn't have the chance to build a Skink in the Sherman STGB I might have to look into that possibility...

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2 hours ago, Sabre_days said:

...but anything with... ...ASW as a primary role... ...is out?

To this infantry (combat engineer) guy a submarine ranks as a ship too, but it's up to Rich I believe to draw the line :pilot:. V-P

 

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ok I'll try and answer each one.......

 

But please remember when I thought up these builds they were primarily for aircraft, which ~ +70% of us build. I alway try to be very inclusive in my build ideas so do like to open it up to AFV's and Navy craft. For these I'm not an expert so asking specific questions on certain types of vessel/vehicles as to whether their eligible or not then I don't know. If you have a specific model you'd like to build and think it would be eligible, then please ask and fill me in with all the details, 99% of the time I'll say ok, no problems. But ask me about a particular type of category of vessel/vehicle to which I really don't know anything about and i'll be more likely say no to keep it simple.....which I know upsets people.

 

For GB's it's always best to keep it nice and simple and if you know a lot about a special subject you want to build then share your knowledge.

 

5 hours ago, TEMPESTMK5 said:

Good morning Rich

Count me in I have the new HB P61A Black Widow in my stash ...

 

However I think that  Recon and Nightfighters would deserve a Gb of their own ...

 

Patrice

 

Though I agree, we have tried a few times for the Nightfighter GB (one close to my heart) and each time we barely make it off the bottom of the list. Combining these two gives us a really good chance to get this one through. I added the tow other categories as I know there are members interested in these subjects and again by themselves they wouldn't get enough votes to go through.

 

4 hours ago, vppelt68 said:

You are so right with that. But as the November vote seems to be too high an obstacle for these subjects, I applaud Rich for coming up with a scheme to get pass the vote, if not properly through :coolio:

V-P

yes you're right, we need to combine some of these GB's for them to have any chance of getting through.

4 hours ago, Sabre_days said:

Great idea, please count me in. I've been waiting for an excuse to put a P-61 in a group build (though Battle of the Bulge 75th and Island Hopping would also work)...the other categories also have lots of potential (a Norwegian F-16 with Penguin missiles has a definite appeal...)

 

Re: ships in the Recon category, I'd assume anything with a primary intelligence gathering tasking, such as Soviet AGI spy trawlers or a Stalwart-class T-AGOS would be eligible? Submarines might be a tough one in that it's a safe bet just about any post-World War II sub other than ballistic and guided missile boats has likely carried out intelligence gathering missions of some sort, but most of those missions are still highly classified...

 

As for ship killers, would it work to take the same approach you're suggesting for AFVs in the tank buster category - anything with a primary ASuW tasking (i.e. all capital ships, most cruisers and some destroyers) is in, but anything with AAW or ASW as a primary role (e.g. Ticonderoga-class CG, Spruance-class DD) is out?

Recon was basically aircraft! But I know there are both ships and AFV's that specialise in this role as well. That said any AFV or ship/sub or even aircraft "could" qualify. Just keep in simple, 99% of the time people just build what they know is right, it makes life much simpler for the host!!!! So for AFV's and ships/subs their "Primary" role must have been Recon and not just an add-on feature, again nice and simple!

 

Ship Killers, again was primarily aircraft, but I would be happy to open this up to Torpedo boats from the war and SOME of the smaller modern missile boats, OSA class as an example. I know all ships/subs can kill ships....so lets keep it nice and simple!!! I was trying to make this GB open to more than just aircraft, but I have to have limits.

2 hours ago, Rob G said:

I specialise in Not Finishing GBs. Can we add a 5th category? :D

 

 

How about (being slightly more serious) adding an 'Aircraft Killers' category (bear with me please)- the trackheads get SAMs, FlaK and mobile AA guns, many of which are available in model form, the ship guys can do antiaircraft destroyers and cruisers and German FlaK trawlers (and probably others that I know diddly about) and the wingythingy desperados can do... anything EXCEPT fighter aircraft (because that's too easy). I will still allow WW1 scouts equipped with le Prieur rockets for anti-Zeppelin missions as balloons etc are aircraft, but I'd like to see some deep research taking place to find an aircraft not generally accepted as a fighter that managed to down something else in a combat of some sort - I know that there's stuff out there. The low hanging fruit here is of course WW2 bombers and the like, but that's no challenge; I'd like some effort made to find something really esoteric. We could also add in aircraft that scored a victory in combat without firing a shot; again, I've read accounts of that happening and I'll accept fighters/scouts here. Obviously there'll have to be proof of some sort presented for those 2 sections, but I'm sure that we can overcome any difficulties there.

 

Or is that all too complicated? Feel free to tell me to POQ or to exclude airyplanes from the category or whatever. I just thought that 'those others' may enjoy something that goes their way for a change.

#5 is the KUTA GB which happens at the end of each year.....I've failed 2 of these!

 

Aircraft killers....I sort of like the idea, but very hard to nail down the details....and as a host a real pain to explain unless you can really nail down the criteria!

2 hours ago, Sabre_days said:

 

Sounds good to me! Though, would an aircraft have to have scored a victory in combat to qualify? I can think of a few very unusual possibilities that weren't actually used in combat...the Boeing YAL-1 airborne laser platform version of the 747 for a start...granted, its intended targets were missiles not aircraft, but it was still designed to destroy flying objects. Similarly, the original prototype of the Myasishchev M-17/M-55 series, Subject 34, was intended as an aerostat balloon interceptor. And of course there are the Sidewinder-toting Nimrods of the Falklands War and later...

 

Conversely, among aircraft that did score victories in actual combat, although it was technically classed as a fighter, the U.S. Marine Corps night fighter version of the PV-1 Ventura is a subject I've been wanting to enter in a group build for some time primarily because it was, to the best of my knowledge, the only successful conversion of an airliner airframe into a fighter (for a certain value of "successful," of course, and rejecting out of hand the cover story that the Do.17 was "originally intended" as an "airliner...")

 

In any case, I've got Dragon's 1:700 scale USS San Diego in my stash, hopefully someone will release an injection-moulded 1:72 ZSU-23-4 Shilka or 9K33 Osa (SA-8 "Gecko") before too long, and since I didn't have the chance to build a Skink in the Sherman STGB I might have to look into that possibility...

again as I've said in many other GB's, keep it simple. Unusual subjects are great but it is up to the individual to convince the host that they are eligible. Again 99% of the time members end up building things that everyone knows that fit the criteria. But if you know your subject matter well enough then by all means build something unusual, that's what I like/try to do. Again one of the main criteria would be that it had to have been "operational" as in it entered regular operational service with a unit.

1 hour ago, vppelt68 said:

To this infantry (combat engineer) guy a submarine ranks as a ship too, but it's up to Rich I believe to draw the line :pilot:. V-P

 

if I'm to open up "Ship Killers" to Subs, them it would only be for aircraft/choppers, as for naval vessels it just becomes too complicated.

 

4 subjects are a lot to control, so please keep it simple for me. If there are Naval of AFV experts who'd like to help me or help Co-Host then please let me know. At the end of the day if it gets all too hard I'll restrict it to just aircraft or Nightfighter's and Recon.

A Host's life is never easy!

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I could have a go with an Airfix Supermarine Swift FR.5 

Cheers, M.

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Good evening Rich

It's your idea after all  and it is ok for me ...

Best regards

Patrice

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20 hours ago, Arniec said:

I am in as well. 

 

Cheers,

thought this old would tweak your interest! :D

 

we may finally get to have a Nightfighter GB after how many attempts? I'd be building either a 1/48th resin F3D SkyKnight or 1/48th Do-215B-5 (the Revell Beasty)

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no worries welcome about.

 

With  GB with sub groups like this I think everyone has a stash filled with choices!

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