Wez Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Aardvark said: but the photos of the planes HMS Triumph in Kronstadt in 1946 are not known to me. Sea Balloil - training aircraft, I don't know whether they were used as weapons trainers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, Wez said: Sea Balloil - training aircraft, I don't know whether they were used as weapons trainers. Thank! I am not good at training aircraft. However, Sea Balloil was aboard the HMS Triumph during his second visit to Leningrad in 1955. But what was on board the HMS Triumph during the first visit to Kronstadt in 1946? Sea Balloil could not be, because he only in 1947 made his first flight. Or HMS Triumph was in Kronstadt without aircraft? B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Aardvark said: Thank! I am not good at training aircraft. However, Sea Balloil was aboard the HMS Triumph during his second visit to Leningrad in 1955. But what was on board the HMS Triumph during the first visit to Kronstadt in 1946? Sea Balloil could not be, because he only in 1947 made his first flight. Or HMS Triumph was in Kronstadt without aircraft? B.R. Serge Can't help you there I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Aardvark said: Thank! I am not good at training aircraft. However, Sea Balloil was aboard the HMS Triumph during his second visit to Leningrad in 1955. But what was on board the HMS Triumph during the first visit to Kronstadt in 1946? Sea Balloil could not be, because he only in 1947 made his first flight. Or HMS Triumph was in Kronstadt without aircraft? B.R. Serge If there was any aircraft aboard for the 46 visit my best guess without checking would be Seafire and/or Firefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Aardvark said: Thank! I am not good at training aircraft. However, Sea Balloil was aboard the HMS Triumph during his second visit to Leningrad in 1955. But what was on board the HMS Triumph during the first visit to Kronstadt in 1946? Sea Balloil could not be, because he only in 1947 made his first flight. Or HMS Triumph was in Kronstadt without aircraft? B.R. Serge When she visited in 1955, HMS Triumph was a cadet training ship, a role she had taken on in 1951. For this role she carried only 3 Sea Balliol, and none of these was used for any weapon. The 3 aircraft are the ones visible in the picture you posted. I don't know for sure what aicraft were on bord Triumph in 1946, she had just been commissioned when she visited Kronstadt, may well have been with no aircraft on board. Some sources claim that in late 1946 Triumph carried the Seafire XVII of 800 NAS, she could have carried these to Kronstadt, but the air group may have well been embarked after this event. OIher sources claim that 800 NAS was embarked in 1947 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Giorgio N said: I don't know for sure what aicraft were on bord Triumph in 1946, she had just been commissioned when she visited Kronstadt, may well have been with no aircraft on board. Some sources claim that in late 1946 Triumph carried the Seafire XVII of 800 NAS, she could have carried these to Kronstadt, but the air group may have well been embarked after this event. OIher sources claim that 800 NAS was embarked in 1947 An interesting historical mystery. And if on the HMS Triumph visit in 1955 there are at least some photos of the carrier, then by 1946 only a photo of a football match. And what is interesting, I do not find any information about the visit of 1946 in the English segment of the Internet.The absence of Russian photos of 1946 is understandable, Kronstadt and then and now was the main base of the Baltic Fleet of the USSR photo photography mode is limited there, but why are there no English photos visit of 1946? About the aircraft group HMS Triumph. Searching the Internet gives the following photo: Resource: http://www.oldtyneside.co.uk/page 256/page 256.htm I see Seafire & Firefly as write @Col. 2 hours ago, Col. said: If there was any aircraft aboard for the 46 visit my best guess without checking would be Seafire and/or Firefly. But it is completely incomprehensible if this photo was taken before HMS Triumph’s visit to Soviet fleet base Kronstadt or after? The most interesting thing probably is that almost certainly somewhere in the archives lies the HMS Triumph photo shoot made by the Soviet naval intelligence in 1946, and it is possible that someday it will be published. B.R. Serge P.S. Despite the fact that my first participation in this series of GBs turned out to be unsuccessful, as well, in full compliance with the Russian proverb “First pancake - lump”, I almost certainly will try to build something in this GB. In the end, nothing prevents me from doing two models at the same time 😉.... the main thing is not to go deep into the maze of technical documentation, as happens with my MiG-21F.🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Nice picture Serge, shows a Seafire XVII, likely of 800 NAS, and a Firefly FR.1. I've read that 827 NAS with these aircraft was on Triumph in the Mediterranean in 1947, but 827 should have been not active in those years... Triumph was involved in the attempt to stop Jewish refugees from reaching Israel in that period. Guess that a Seafire XVII from Triumph would be eligible in this GB ? There is quite a bit of info around on 1946 Triumph visit to Kronstadt and the Imperial War Museum has a few pictures from the visit in their collection. Here are two showing Adm. Fraser, commander of the British naval group, with Soviet admirals during this visit. Like these: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205162232 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205162235 Unfortunately none shows any aircraft of gives any hint to the presence of not of aircraft. The visit was arranged to try and keep cordial relations with the Soviet Union, the occasion being the celebration of Red Fleet Day. Adm. Fraser was in good personal relations with many Soviet officers as he had a part in the escort of convoys to the Soviet Union during WW2 and had received the Order of Suvorov for the sinking of Scharnhorst in 1943. Fraser had many years earlier been imprisoned by the Bolshevik forces when Britain tried to intervene in the Russian civil war in 1919, so he had quite a history with Russia and the Soviets, going from being a prisoner to being decorated. He later commanded the British Pacific Fleet and during the 1946 visit gave a talk to Soviet naval officers on the lessons learnt in the Pacific. Triumph was esorted by HMS Rapid during this visit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 23 hours ago, Threadbear said: Geographically wise, is this just European continent or anywhere in the world between the allowed dates? Tempted to be a late joiner! Thanks Grahame Basically Europe only Grahame. We have, however, set that as anywhere west of the Ural Mountains, south of the Greenland/Iceland/UK Gap, north of the Med, and east of the Atlantic. For this edition all nations within that geographic area are eligible including those that did not eventually join either NATO or the Warsaw Pact as they are still part of the story. 37 minutes ago, Giorgio N said: Nice picture Serge, shows a Seafire XVII, likely of 800 NAS, and a Firefly FR.1. I've read that 827 NAS with these aircraft was on Triumph in the Mediterranean in 1947, but 827 should have been not active in those years... Triumph was involved in the attempt to stop Jewish refugees from reaching Israel in that period. Guess that a Seafire XVII from Triumph would be eligible in this GB ? Both the Seafire and Firefly will be eligible for this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadbear Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thanks for the geographical clarification! Count me in! Now to decide what to do! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 My Airfix Hunter arrived ten minutes ago! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Ladies and gentlemen, the GB is now open for those of you who wish to set up stall. We've still got 8 days before it all kicks off officially so don't get too excited just yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Col. said: We've still got 8 days before it all kicks off officially so don't get too excited just yet Can I refer you to my post about my Aifix Hunter arriving? I may just reach critical mass in the next few days... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Enzo Matrix said: Can I refer you to my post about my Aifix Hunter arriving? I may just reach critical mass in the next few days... I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of kit fondling over the course of this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Col. said: I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of kit fondling over the course of this weekend. Already started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_R Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Hi Col, I'm thinking of doing a Seafire F XVII. However it's the same kit that I started for the Carriers Ahoy GB last year:- I hadn't make any progress on it before I had to go into hospital. Any objection to my resurrecting it. Thanks Dave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Looks fine to me Dave. Welcome to the GB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, exdraken said: cool rules now! so my Yugoslavian F-84G is definitely an option... guess it should be in aluminium then! but that also opens up for a Spanish F-86F..... for a Buchon! or even some Austrian stuff! (although... that is already far away from any combat capability when talking planes ... but some tank, like a T-34-85, or an M8 would be possible... even in 1/48!" ) Yes Werner all of those nations and their equipment are eligible. An interesting selection of options you have there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) On 1/10/2019 at 11:00 AM, Aardvark said: But in 48th scale have only full resin kit from AirKit Bad news for those who are interested in this model: (Review) http://scalemodels.ru/articles/4831-obzor-AirKits-KaJuk-1-48-mig-9.html (process of creation model) http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_34339.html As written on Russian forum: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_76904.html Alexander Nikolaevich Kozyrev owner and master-modeller AirKits died. Gone the legend of Russian modeling. He was one of the first to start making vacuform models under the brand name KaJuk in the 80-90s in Russia, then began to make resin kit AirKits. In addition, when you make the Yak-7/9 from Dakoplast in 72nd scale, https://www.scalemates.com/products/reviews.php?scale=1%3A72&topic=Yakovlev+Yak-7 know that they are made by his master model. Therefore, the full resin kit MiG-9 from Airkits so the former is not affordable due to its price (about 100$), will become a rarity. Of course, once the MiG-9 from "Mars Model" will be made, but the MiG-9 from AirKits was made according to the drawing of Petrov, it's most detailed drawings of all previously known, but unfortunately they are published in Internet in good quality only fragmentary. B.R. Serge Edited January 13, 2019 by Aardvark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Aardvark said: Bad news for those who are interested in this model: (Review) http://scalemodels.ru/articles/4831-obzor-AirKits-KaJuk-1-48-mig-9.html (process of creation model) http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_34339.html As written on Russian forum: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_76904.html Alexander Nikolaevich Kozyrev owner and master-modeller AirKits died. Gone the legend of Russian modeling... Therefore, the full resin kit MiG-9 from Airkits so the former is not affordable due to its price (about 100$), will become a rarity. Of course, once the MiG-9 from "Mars Model" will be made, but the MiG-9 from AirKits was made according to the drawing of Petrov, it's most detailed drawings of all previously known, but unfortunately they are published in Internet in good quality only fragmentary. B.R. Serge Sad news Serge. I'd also forgotten about the once promised Mars Model kit of the MiG-9 and it was one I was looking forward to seeing released in the hope it was a good one. Perhaps someone else will create a MiG-9 kit someday soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Of course the Sea Balloil would be very welcome in the Trainers GB starting next month. Assuming of course that someone actually has one ! cheers Pat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Col. said: Sad news Serge. Kozyrev A.N. was a pensioner. Many of those who saw him in life were shocked by his appearance, according to their physical type, his type more closely corresponded to the cool Russian gangster from the 90s, but in fact he spent most of his life, He worked as a driver in the metro Leningrad / St. Petersburg and all this time he made models. Unfortunately, according to reviews, he smoked a lot. 2 hours ago, Col. said: 'd also forgotten about the once promised Mars Model kit of the MiG-9 and it was one I was looking forward to seeing released in the hope it was a good one. Perhaps someone else will create a MiG-9 kit someday soon Mars Models is a strange company, I wrote about it with irony here ( In general, most of my text should be perceived as irony, unless of course we are talking about serious enough things): But the economic situation there is such that if they do not go bankrupt, the MiG-9 from Mars Models will soon be on the market. When? I dont know. B.w., if you haven't noticed, 😁 I still just decided to join GB! 2 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: Of course the Sea Balloil would be very welcome in the Trainers GB starting next month. Assuming of course that someone actually has one ! Thank you, but "training" 😁 is not for me. B.R. Serge P.S. On the MiG-9 at 48th. That there was no misunderstanding. https://www.scalemates.com/search.php?q="Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-9 Fargo" 1:48&fkSECTION[]=Kits MiG-9 AirKits 1/48 was on sale, MiG-9 1/48 Mars Models future releases. AirKits & Mars Models these are different companies and different owners, and different technology: MiG-9 AirKits 1/48 - full resin kit, future MiG-9 1/48 Mars Models - modern high-tech short -run. Edited January 13, 2019 by Aardvark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 A small point of addition to The Rules if I may gang; while this GB does not allow for What-if subjects I will allow for 'most likely'. Due to the chotic nature of our subject period and the secrecy into which many nations became encloaked it may be difficult to prove the individual identity of a particular subject at a specific place and time. In that case it is perfectly good to show a representation of the type. So if you cannot prove that a particular serial or Bort number was definitely there at the time but it serves as an example of equipment that was then I'm happy to see you join in the fun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 10:47 PM, Col. said: I'm happy to see equipment used by the likes of Yugoslavia, Sweden, etc. featuring in this edition of the GB. I should have read this before...duh. It does open up the stash a bit... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, John D.C. Masters said: I should have read this before...duh. It does open up the stash a bit... Glad to hear that John as it's the effect I was hoping for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Col. said: the secrecy into which many nations became encloaked That gives me hope for my Albanian Mig-15... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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