Greg in OK Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Two Hasegawa 1/72 Hurricanes for my first build. I jumped a LITTLE bit assembling both stock cockpits tonight so I can start scratching some sort of improvement on the very spartan Hasegawa rendition. But it is official, I'm in! Greg in OK 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Following. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Welcome to the GB Greg. Still well below the 25% point to we can forgive you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Getting (re)started on these two. The gun ports are quite difficult with the way they molded them.... Tried 4 different ways (left and right on both models) but still not real happy. I may just decal red patches over them. Greg in OK Edited February 20, 2018 by Greg in OK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Cool! I have the first one too (the Battle of Britain kit) and intend to make a Romanian Hurricane out of it. Since you`ve had a good start I now have the advantage of learning from your build. Do you intend to use the markings provided by the kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Fin: I have some aftermarket decals I am thinking of using. I am leaning toward VVS markings. Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That means you`re building both in Soviet service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Not sure on both, at least one in VVS service because I like the decals. I have many other decals to pick from. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Keen to see these two kits come together Greg and no doubt the ‘Hurricane police’ on here will chip in soon enough to help guide you through your builds. Cheers.. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 "no doubt the ‘Hurricane police’ on here will chip in soon enough to help guide you through your builds. " always open to helpful and correct input. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Greg in OK said: always open to helpful and correct input. there is debate about the Hase kits, and their length in various boxings. The VVS didn't get any Mk.I's (though they got some Mk.I's rebuilt to Mk.II's) The Mk.II spinner on some (all?) Hase kits is wrong, and spoils the models look. have a read here http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/ I don't have a Hase Mk.II to compare, just the BoB Mk.I you show. The VVS got nearly 3000 Hurricanes, but there are not that many photos there are several threads here.. http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?board=50.0 of particular interest... Soviet regunning http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=881.0 Soviet made airfilter http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2122.0 you will need a photobucket embed fix to view some of the pics. the Hase VVS boxart plane, Z5252, was salvaged a few years ago http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricane_Z5252/index.htm despite the artwork showing RAF markings painted out with presumeably Russian paint, I suspect it was British paint, as it was handed over by the British 151 wing, and they most likely had spare paint. while the roundel overpaint is darker, that could just be from new fresh paint but on the underwing they painted over roundels 'bleed through' suggesting a coat of Sky. the blasted away away gun patches suggest a ground test fire to make sure they were loaded.... Greg, I don't know how much you know about the VVS, or Hurricanes, but I'll try to answer questions, I suspect Dave thinks of me as a member of the 'Hurricane police' though it's really just a pet subject of mine....and there is a fair amount of poor or inaccurate information floating about, which I try to correct. Take from my postings what's of use, it's your model. Any questions, ask away. cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Troy Smith said: I suspect Dave thinks of me as a member of the 'Hurricane police' though it's really just a pet subject of mine....and there is a fair amount of poor or inaccurate information floating about, which I try to correct. Take from my postings what's of use, it's your model. Any questions, ask away. cheers T “I was just trying to be nice Officer - Honest”.... Seriously Troy, this GB would really benifit from a Hurricane build from yourself to highlight many corrections that can be made in WIP form (any kit will do, just start gluing away)... care to join us?? Cheers.. Dave (Convict #K5083). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Both Hasegawa kits are the right length for a Mk.II. If you care, shorten the fuselage pieces rather than the engine cowling. I think that the Finns did have a single Mk.II, but it was ex-Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Graham Boak said: I think that the Finns did have a single Mk.II, but it was ex-Russian. They captured several, but only one was made airworthy, which was a 'bitsa' IIRC it's on the Inscale decal sheet https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/IS01872 Finnish serial HC-465, there was a warbird in Finland flying in these markings.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: Seriously Troy, this GB would really benifit from a Hurricane build from yourself to highlight many corrections that can be made in WIP form (any kit will do, just start gluing away)... care to join us?? Just checked, 3rd June.... yes, think i could add something..... let me check the rules, I have *ahem* a few slightly started items... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Atta Boy.. Troy!!! (Now elevated to Constable).. Cheers.. Dave 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I think that the Finns did have a single Mk.II, but it was ex-Russian. It was HC-465 and I can’t find a period photo anywhere at the moment. They all seem to be of a recent restoration that was painted up temporarily and spent a season there. I’ll go and do some more surfing..... It may be this one. https://pin.it/ioeajupd2c4tc7 or more likely this one. http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/USSR/pages/Hurricane-MkIIb-USSR-609IAP-W60-BM959-Soviet-Tiiksjarvi-Air-Base-area-East-Karelia-captured-by-Finns-6th-April-1942-01.html Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Come on Troy, I'm with Dave. You've got all this fantastic knowledge about Hurris now put it into plastic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, Max Headroom said: It was HC-465 and I can’t find a period photo anywhere at the moment. They all seem to be of a recent restoration that was painted up temporarily and spent a season there. I’ll go and do some more surfing..... It may be this one. https://pin.it/ioeajupd2c4tc7 or more likely this one. http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/USSR/pages/Hurricane-MkIIb-USSR-609IAP-W60-BM959-Soviet-Tiiksjarvi-Air-Base-area-East-Karelia-captured-by-Finns-6th-April-1942-01.html Trevor Hi Trevor There are details in one of the Suomen Ilmavoimat Historia books, with various pics. But,I'm pretty certain the main airframe used for HC-465 was this Z3577 from SA-Kuva use of photo permitted... Quote THE PHOTOGRAPHS' TERMS OF USE MENTION THE SOURCE The downloadable photographs from the Wartime Photograph Archive can be used by anyone. When you publish a photograph from the archive, mention "SA-kuva" as the source. (This means "Finnish Armed Forces photograph" in Finnish.) Please note that you can only conduct searches in Finnish. There are more photos of Z3577 in the 151 wing section of Asisbiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Thanks @Troy Smith that’s a substantial airframe too. I’m prepared to believe that could have been the bitza Mk.II. However, I’ve convinced myself that ‘somewhere’ I’ve seen the photo of ‘595 associated with the sole Finnish Mk.II. To be honest both airframes look as if they could have been rebuilt to fly and I’m surprised the Finns didn’t have more, as they seem to have been more than capable of resurrecting downed enemy aircraft for their own use. (their M.U.’s logistics must have been a nightmare!) A book (preferably in English!) on Finnish appropriation of enemy war material would certainly make an interesting read and modelling theme. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Hi 1 hour ago, Max Headroom said: Thanks @Troy Smith that’s a substantial airframe too. I’m prepared to believe that could have been the bitza Mk.II. However, I’ve convinced myself that ‘somewhere’ I’ve seen the photo of ‘595 associated with the sole Finnish Mk.II. To be honest both airframes look as if they could have been rebuilt to fly and I’m surprised the Finns didn’t have more, as they seem to have been more than capable of resurrecting downed enemy aircraft for their own use. (their M.U.’s logistics must have been a nightmare!) A book (preferably in English!) on Finnish appropriation of enemy war material would certainly make an interesting read and modelling theme. Trevor Hi Trevor we are cluttring up Greg's thread, though hopefully of some interest There have been threads on this before eg http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234939009-finnish-hurricane-pictures/ which I'll bump up in the WW2 section in a mo. There is a book in the Suomen Ilmavoimat Historia #7, Venalaiset Havittajat about captured Soviet types, caption in Finnish and English in some versions, with an English summary. I'm not totally sure how many version there are. Covers I-16, I-153, Pe-2, LaGG-3, SB-2 from memory. Something I only have as pdf sadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Found out the right way and the wrong way to build the wings. The WRONG way is to glue the top and bottom wings together, in clamping them it is to easy to get the wings to thin. Then the wing is not as deep as the fillet. Like this... Ugly mistake with a lot of filler likely to be required.. The way the second one was done was better, bond the BOTTOM wing to the fuse, THEN drop the top wing in place..... MUCH better. Greg in OK 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffB Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 What a difference. Thanks for sharing. Cliff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 OPINION TIME!! Yes, this is the time where I ask experts and novices alike what their opinion of the options I should choose. As a reminder I am building two Hasegawa 1/72 Hurricanes, the kit has few options but I would like your opinion on which I should pick. I will describe the part options as best as I can and ask you for TWO DIFFERENT BUILDS which may very on their options. Here we go...first question Exhaust stacks... 6 hole per side or 3 hole per side "kidney" stacks...(the kidney stacks are stock Hasegawa plastic parts, the 6 hole stacks are white metal) For (first plane) Hurricane MkIA (Z2899) in VVS/Russian service. Served as night fighter. I THINK it has the 3 hole kidney stacks, not sure.... Same plane, the TAILWHEEL. the stock molded on Hasegawa tailwheel or the one that looks beefier and comes as a optional part on the sprue (you have to cut of the molded on one.) Second question. Hurricane CAPTURED by the Japanese in Malaya, flown by 64th Sentai. Same two questions...exhaust 3 or 6 and tailwheel, molded on or separate part? Thanks for any input, no matter how expert or how misguided.. Greg in OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 HI Greg Hurricanes very rarely had 6 stack exhaust during the way. ( I can only think of some mk.I nightfigher in winter 40/41) 'kidney' refer to the very early types, there are several type fitted to a Mk.I's, early Mk.II's are like late Mk.I's, and then there is a switch to the fishtail type. Same with tail wheels, early Mk.II's have the straight Mk.I type, and then they get the 'knuckle' type. OK, very early IIa straight tail wheel round exhaust mid production IIc trop fishtail exhaust, knuckle tailwheel. And your specifics Z2899. at VVS test center. it's a Mk.IIa not a Ia Looks to have late Mk.I exhaust and straight tailwheel. which as a Mk.IIa makes sense, there were not that many Mk.IIa's Note, often depicted in profiles with green discs over the roundels, I suggest this is fresh Soviet AMT-6 back, which was semi gloss. Japanese captured straight early tail wheel, fishtail exhaust. The 2nd pic is new too me Looks to be basically RAF Temperate land Scheme, Dark Green/Dark Earth uppers over Sky or Sky Blue undersides, with some Japanese overpainting of the RAF markings HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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