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1/72 - Państwowe Zakłady Lotnicze (PZL) P.11 family by IBG Models - P.11a/b/c P.11f & g released - new P.11c Polish Fighter boxing in February 2024


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IBG Models is to release a family of 1/72nd Państwowe Zakłady Lotnicze - PZL P.11 aircraft kits.

- ref. 72517 - PZL P.11a Polish Fighter

- ref. 72518 - PZL P.11b in Romanian Service

- ref. 72519 - PZL P.11c Polish Fighter

- ref. 72520 - PZL P.11c Polish Fighter - Rare Birds

- ref. 72521 - PZL P.11f

- ref. 72522 - PZL P.11f on skis

- ref. 72523 - PZL P.11g Kobuz Polish Fighter

- ref. 72524 - PZL P.11g in Greek Service

 

Sources: 

http://www.modelarovo.cz/norimberk-2018-jak-jsme-ho-videli-my/

https://nowosci.plastikowe.pl/aktualnosci/zapowiedzi-ibg-models-pzl-p-11a-1-72-pozna-jesien-2018/

 

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2 hours ago, Colin1967 said:

Excellent news.

Is the kit no: 72521 the boxing for a Rumanian one ?

Yes - the P.11f (and 75218 P.11b) have been never flown with Polish insignia.

On the other side you can also build the P.11a and P.11c wearing Romanian yellow crosses.

In total Romania (with 14 P.7s, 190 P.11s and 30 P.24s) was the second main user of the PZL "gullwings" (Poland had 151 P.7s, 201 P.11s and no P.24s at all). 

Cheers

Michael

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21 hours ago, KRK4m said:

Yes - the P.11f (and 75218 P.11b) have been never flown with Polish insignia.

On the other side you can also build the P.11a and P.11c wearing Romanian yellow crosses.

In total Romania (with 14 P.7s, 190 P.11s and 30 P.24s) was the second main user of the PZL "gullwings" (Poland had 151 P.7s, 201 P.11s and no P.24s at all). 

Cheers

Michael

Hi Michael,

Thank you for the reply and for answering my question, much appreciated.

Best regards

Colin.

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First one will be - ref. 72517 - PZL P.11a

Release expected in Winter 2018

Sources: 

https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/posts/1793451847443118

https://nowosci.plastikowe.pl/aktualnosci/zapowiedzi-ibg-models-pzl-p-11a-1-72-pozna-jesien-2018/

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From Facebook comments, by IBG

 

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Bedą - zarówno P.11g jak i jedna z P.24

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There will be both, P.11g and one P.24

 

It is especially interesting, because P.11g existed as a single prototype, which participated in combat in September 1939, but no single known photo of plane exists! It was designed as a stop-gap measure built with existing aircraft parts and leftover engines! Basically Polish Air Force '40, so a bit like Luftwaffe '46.

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3 hours ago, Botan said:

 Basically Polish Air Force '40, so a bit like Luftwaffe '46.

Not exactly since what is typically Luftwaffe 46 - they are machines sometimes only thought as idea or just drawn, never reaching status of prototype and moreover - a prototype which fought. Comparable with  Luft 46 is PZL Miś or PZL Sokół. Machines which never existed. PZL P 11g Kobuz is a gap-filler, only late for some couple of months and therfore existing in single item. Similar like PZl 46  Sum - single prototype used in combat. Anyway - reality or real history, not "what if"

Of course if saomone wanted to use them to what if stories, likewith RAF Squadrons  Martin Beaker MB 5 - this will be not reality.

Cheers

J-W

 

 

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3 minutes ago, JWM said:

Not exactly since what is typically Luftwaffe 46

 

Depends on definition, I think Luftwaffe '46 also covers aircraft, which were supposed to enter service in 1946, so also those at prototype stage at the end of war. P.11g with What-if regular squadron markings would count in my opinion.

 

By the way, PZL.45 Sokół prototype apparently was finished in 50% when war started, so partially it existed.

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1 hour ago, Botan said:

By the way, PZL.45 Sokół prototype apparently was finished in 50% when war started, so partially it existed.

So in  50% Sokół doesn;t existed ;) .

Anyway you are right, that Luftwaffe 46 is nominally about the machines which might enter service in 1946, however if it cover also Arado 555 for example it is a wider term which include types which might come to live in 1948 or even 1950. We are all lucky, that earlier happend "Hitler kaput" :) 

Regards

J-W

 

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Fresh news

Source: https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/posts/1857091391079163

 

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IBG Models new are already available so it's good time to show renderings of some future kits, today it's the 1/72 PZL P.11g! There are several contradictory opinions on how this aircraft should look like, we have chosen one of probable variants. You can also see some changes we've implemented to the P.11 family of planes since the first shown pictures.

 

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Just to explain a bit to general audience: The P 11 G was a sole prototype poorly documented on photis (no documented in fact) but she took part in campaign of September 1939 with one victory AFAIR,

Regards

J-W

 

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OK, here is review of PZL P.11a: https://nowosci.plastikowe.pl/aktualnosci/r-ibg-models-pzl-p-11a-72517/
 

Unfortunately (for most of you) in Polish but I'm pretty sure 84 photos will make the job.

 

There was no issues with building kits from test sprues so it shouldn't be any with released version. Quality of details is excellent so long story short - if you would like to have this a/c on your shelf, go and buy it, you won't regret.


Review of PZL P.11g will follow soon.

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14 hours ago, JWM said:

P 11 G was mostly presented with three blades prop.

And you have such propeller in the kit, sprue M.

 

14 hours ago, JWM said:

It would be interesting to hear the motivation for two blades...

An option for modelers who would like to make Kobuz a little different than the commonly presented one.

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2 hours ago, Piotr Mikolajski said:

An option for modelers who would like to make Kobuz a little different than the commonly presented one.

Thank you for explanation. Kobuz remains a bit mythologial, like phoenix.... No one is sure about it. 

 

To our non-Polish colleguaes on forum - "kobuz" is Polish name for small falcon, the European hobby (Falco subbuteo) called sometimes just "hobby"! - is it a patron of all of us here?

 

Welcome to Britmodeller! :)

Cheers

J-W

 

 

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4 hours ago, dragonlanceHR said:

 

So, no love for us 1/48 guys at IBG?

I am not an IBG employee, so do not take this as an official statement :)

AFAIK they don't exclude the production of 1/48 models in the future but converting currently released 1/72 kits to the 1/48 scale? Well, IMHO it's not cost-effective to release RWD-8, P.11s, P.24s, Karaś or Łoś in 1/48. All of them are still available from Mirage Hobby. Yes, I know, these kits are 20 years old or more but still, market is reasonably saturated and these aircraft are not Spitfires or Mustangs to be sold in tens of thousands kits.
Releasing all variants of P.11s in 1/48 needs more or less four molds, two more for P.24s, another four for Karaś, probably six for Łoś and at least three for RWD-8. Overall it would be at least 19 new steel moulds (IBG Models doesn't release short runs) and... no new types on the market, so significantly longer return on investment.

At the same time with 19 new moulds you have options to release:
• about 4 brand new single-engined 1/32 kits;
• about 10 brand new single-engined 1/72 kits;
• about 6 brand new twin-engined 1/72 or single-engined 1/48 kits;
• any mix of options above.

The question of cost-effectiveness applies to 1/72 kits as well. There are many types manufactured in Poland, the production of which makes no sense and will not be released for many years to come, although many modellers encourage IBG to release them right now. But to be honest, how many people will buy prototypes of PZL.38 Wilk fighter, PZL.44 Wicher airliner or PZL.46 Sum bomber? Well, those at least were flown but people demand kits of even less known aircraft which were never build. Who will buy kits of half-invented PZL.49 Miś bomber or almost completely invented PZL.48 Lampart or PZL.54 Ryś fighters? I'm afraid several Luftwaffe 1946 designs are much better documented, so easier to design and far more profitable.

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