Paul J Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Hi. Just read through this thread with interest having just completed the same kit but had no two blade prop, just the 3 blader (possibly because it was the gift set issue.. not sure). Apart from correcting the area behind rhe gunbay it was the only filler I used. Admittedly the wing join at the trailing edges was a bit thick I overcame it with careful pairing down and sanding post joining. As for the camo painting I use white tack sausages infilled between them with cheap DIY masking tape to mask out the colour to be kept and ready for the next colour.. No problems with getting those ridges that way!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, Paul J said: Hi. Just read through this thread with interest having just completed the same kit but had no two blade prop, just the 3 blader (possibly because it was the gift set issue.. not sure). Apart from correcting the area behind rhe gunbay it was the only filler I used. Admittedly the wing join at the trailing edges was a bit thick I overcame it with careful pairing down and sanding post joining. As for the camo painting I use white tack sausages infilled between them with cheap DIY masking tape to mask out the colour to be kept and ready for the next colour.. No problems with getting those ridges that way!! Thanks, Paul. I saw your build and nicely done, it was. Whenever I get to another kit, I may try something like that method with masking. Part of my issue was too inexperienced with the airbrush and too much paint. I should have just given it a quick coat of DG, then waited for it to dry. Then I should have eyeballed it and given it a second coat where needed. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandie Dinmont Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hi Chris, Things are looking great and you would never be able to tell from the photos that you had airbrush problems. Good save! Looking forward to seeing the finished article. Craig. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Great touch ups Chris, looking good now Read the details of the trips with interest - crikey, you are out in 'the sticks' aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 A small update: I got down to my room today and did a little Dark Earth touch-up with a brush. The last bit of paint is still a bit too thin for good brush work, so some more will be required before I move on to the Dark Green. I've been leaving the top off the the bottle of Dark Earth, to let the thinner evaporate, but it still needs a bit more. I don't want to over do it, as that is all I have of that particular bottle. I didn't take any photos as what I did wasn't worth showing. And it's frikkin' snowing again! It's gonna be another long winter! Chris 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 Still no painting update, as I haven't done any. The reason is, and I don't think I have ever read this on this forum or any other: I have to let the paint thicken. The reason being is that all I have left of the G-S Dark Earth is some of the thinned stuff I used for airbrushing. Again, I have been a bit overwhelmed with other little jobs that the missus keeps finding for me to do. That and some snow removal. And my long-time fear of painting as that's where I usually eff it up badly. However, I do have a little something I'd like to show you. I have observed the the early Hurricanes with the two-blade Watts propellers have a slight gap between the back of the prop and the front of the cowling. It's not easy to see as the photo needs to be nearly full side-on to the nose. This photo shows it a bit. What I have done is to find a piece of plastic tube with a center hole big enough to fit the kit's prop shaft into. I the found a drill the same size as the tubing and used it to drill out the prop boss. I cut the tube and glued it into the boss, leaving enough space for the retainer end of the prop shaft. Then I sanded back the front end of the tubing that protruded forward until it left a wee gap behind the prop. Whataya think? Chris 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, dogsbody said: However, I do have a little something I'd like to show you. I have observed the the early Hurricanes with the two-blade Watts propellers have a slight gap between the back of the prop and the front of the cowling. It's not easy to see as the photo needs to be nearly full side-on to the nose. This photo shows it a bit. 1 hour ago, dogsbody said: Whataya think? Interesting Chris.. I don't think I’ve ever seen that before. Do you think it is because there is no oil collector ring ? Your fix looks great though, and if I can ever build a two blade Hurricane will have to do the same thing to it. Makes for an interesting conversation piece. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Nice job on the prop boss insert that does make the gap and front end look very tidy indeed. Cracking job Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 hours ago, dogsbody said: I have observed the the early Hurricanes with the two-blade Watts propellers have a slight gap between the back of the prop and the front of the cowling. There's always a small gap there, but the significant gap you illustrate I've only really noticed on photo's in flight or on the ground with the engine running/throttled up. This could be the Merlin II had much larger clearances for the thrust bearing which allowed the propeller shaft to move forward in relation to the engine when power is applied, or the engine mounts for the Merlin II installation in the Hurricane allowed a greater degree of forward/aft ,movement than later installations, or a combination of both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 14 hours ago, dogsbody said: I have to let the paint thicken. you only need a touch up amount to brush? Put a little, a few drops,. in a pallete, the much smaller amount of paint will allow a much faster evaporation of solvent, especially in a warm room. Obviously test on scrap top see if right consistency. Thinking about it, Pity you didn't do two of these at the same time, and reserve one as a test piece, at worst, you get a paint mule, at best, two Hurricanes, it's not like the kit is hard to get or expensive (having seen a stack at the local Aldi this week at £5 each...) 14 hours ago, dogsbody said: Again, I have been a bit overwhelmed with other little jobs that the missus keeps finding for me to do. That and some snow removal. Time to get a 'bad back' and have rest Still, soon be proper snowed in up there,. get some time then? cheers T 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Dave Swindell said: There's always a small gap there, but the significant gap you illustrate I've only really noticed on photo's in flight or on the ground with the engine running/throttled up. This could be the Merlin II had much larger clearances for the thrust bearing which allowed the propeller shaft to move forward in relation to the engine when power is applied, or the engine mounts for the Merlin II installation in the Hurricane allowed a greater degree of forward/aft ,movement than later installations, or a combination of both. About all I can find of a early Hurricane on the ground with the prop stopped and showing a gap is this photo of # 311. You can just make out the back of the prop hub. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutcastJoel Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 This is flipping gorgeous! Cracking work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 So, yesterday, I go down to the bunker, to do some paint touch-ups on the Hurc. I take a bit of the thinned paint out of the jar and let it set in a small, flat container for a few minutes. I get my smallest, softest flat brush and have a go at the lower starboard nose. It was going good until out of nowhere, there's a small bit of fluff in the paint. I had blown and wiped off the surface pre-painting. So I use a tissue to wipe it off. Then I smudged up the paint. I'm not as steady-handed as I used to be. I try another spot but the paint didn't dry smooth. I'm almost out of the thinned paint and I don't have anymore of the G-S Dark Earth and nowhere to get anymore as I don't think it's still being made. The Mr. Hobby paint colour doesn't match. I'm seriously thinking of just putting this back in the box and starting something else. I've been at this kit for almost 3 years now. I think I hear an Airfix Beaufighter beckoning me. I do have paint ( Tamiya ) and aftermarket decals to do an RCAF machine. Chris 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2996 Victor Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I feel your pain, Chris, but you're really close now. Please don't give up! Kind regards, Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy G Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 As Mark said you’re nearly there. The paintwork on these planes wasn’t uniform so perhaps you could blend some of the different shades if it comes to that. I got a thumbprint in the paint on the fuselage of Park’s plane so I’m now going round in brown and green circles trying to put it right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandie Dinmont Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I'm with Mark and Andy Chris, it would be a crying shame if this went back on the shelf after all the progress you've made. The nose really doesn't look that bad and a light going over with some really fine micromesh or similar will sort out the wing root. As Mark says, strive for excellence, not perfection and your hurricane really is excellent! Craig. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Chris: in the posting above dated Sunday 01.00 there's 310 showing the same gap. Somebody called Dogsbody posted it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2996 Victor Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Dandie Dinmont said: your hurricane really is excellent! @dogsbody Chris, Craig is absolutely right! This is a cracking build and it deserves to see the finish line! BTW, Craig, I really need to try out some micromesh! Cheers, Mark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Tip Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 18/11/2020 at 22:42, dogsbody said: I'm seriously thinking of just putting this back in the box and starting something else. I've been at this kit for almost 3 years now. To quote a famous man: "Don't give up You're not beaten yet Don't give up I know you can make it good" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.au Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Take a moment, then micro mesh and repair with very thinned paint. This thing is almost done and there's nothing there that can't be fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Kay Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 18/11/2020 at 21:42, dogsbody said: I'm seriously thinking of just putting this back in the box and starting something else. I think you’re being overly critical. Most of my models have blobs and scuffs far worse. Like the others have said, take a minute or three, let the paint harden, micromesh it a bit, and see if it needs further work. In my world, I would put it down to real world wear and tear, decal up, varnish and weather the thing. The varnish will probably hide the worst anyway. My French 1940 planes are mostly brush painted, and you can see they look a mess - until they get a dose of varnish from the airbrush and most of the brush marks magically disappear. Don’t ask me how, or why, but it works! Get it on the shelf and admire it from a distance where you can’t see the microscopic flaws. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutcastJoel Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Push through, you have done far too nice a job to let it beat you. The paint is much better than on my last aeroplane (which I made a real hash of). Once I popped on varnish and some weathering that one still turned out acceptable so I think there is plenty of hope for you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Well, I've put out a request yesterday, asking for some G-S Dark Earth and I've already got a couple replies, one from Canada. They just need to see if they have that in their paint stash. The main issue I'm having, besides sucking badly at brush painting, is that the thinned paint I have seems to be lifting the underlying paint, even though the Dark Earth was sprayed on over a month ago. If I can get some more, I'll try thinning it with some distilled water. Chris 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 So, yesterday afternoon, my paint arrived in the mail, from Mike Dragon in Oregon. Of course it was in the mailbox for hours before I was out and checked and it was frozen solid. Overnight it thawed and I just opened it. Consistency is good and it's a very close colour match. Now I just need to get some mojo back and attempt to do the corrections. I must admit that I haven't really been feeling the call of styrene and acrylics lately. Hopefully, after Christmas and the usual slightly elevated imbibing, I'll get some jam back. Chris 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Nearly there Chris And yes, we're in the same boat mojo wise just don't use sharp implements directly after the imbibing. The Hurri looks great, and it deserves a spot in the display. No rush. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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