IanHx Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) What to pick for this group build ? OA-10 Warthog ? Chinese WZ-10 helicoptor ? Something with a £10 price sticker on the box ? No, I'll go for an entry so obscure it doesn't even have a '10' anywhere on the box.... The Chengdu J-10 Here's the 'look I ain't no cheating weasel' pic to show it's < 25 % done..... still in the cellophane.... Edited March 24, 2018 by IanHx change topic 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 great! I also thouight about a J-1 already! (the helicopter does not exist in 1/48, so of cause I did not think of it ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 That's a pretty cool kit of a pretty cool plane. I have built the two seat version, J-10S. Other than the decals which were no good, the kit was great. Look forward to your build! Out of possible interest to you & others, I've seen a lot of those planes in real life. I was here in Beijing during the 2009 military parade - indeed I lived right under the flight line of it - and the J-10 flew overhead in a big formation. Then a few years later (2015 I think) there was another big parade. That time I lived a bit to the north but could still see the whole formation going past, from my 6th floor window where we then lived. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Don't want to hijack your thread but if you're interested I can post a couple of shots. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Yes please, I'm sure they'll be excellent references for Ian's build. Its one I'll be following , this is a kit I'm keen to get sometime soon to. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Didn’t even know this existed...very cool ac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, stevehnz said: Yes please, I'm sure they'll be excellent references for Ian's build. Its one I'll be following , this is a kit I'm keen to get sometime soon to. Steve. Ah, well, they were taken at a considerable distance and I'm no pro. But ok here is one: Bear in mind, it was taken handheld on an SLR (full frame) with a 500mm lens, while standing on a stool half leaning out of the 6th floor window a good 3 or 4 km from the line of Chang An Avenue in Beijing where the fly by was (I can't quite find pics from the 2009 parade just now). Here is a crop to try to make it a bit clearer. Say what you like about China's many issues but they certainly know how to throw a military parade... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) Great pics, thanks. Currently playing "what do the Trumpeter paint numbers mean?" as the numbers don't mention which standard they follow... ( Revell ? Humbrol ? Tamiya ? ) (Think the H numbers are Gunze , and the white numbers in black boxes are RLM) Edited January 23, 2018 by IanHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, IanHx said: Great pics, thanks. Currently playing "what do the Trumpeter paint numbers mean?" as the numbers don't mention which standard they follow... ( Revell ? Humbrol ? Tamiya ? ) (Think the H numbers are Gunze , and the white numbers in black boxes are RLM) I’d like to know too, got a couple of brand new Trumpeters in the stash...I thought it was Mr. Color, is that Gunze? Anyway, will enjoy watching this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 12 hours ago, bianfuxia said: That's a pretty cool kit That's a not cool kit, that's a only 'conversion set' for conversion J-10B Trumpeter to J-10A!!! I have both models from the Trumpeter. Having looked at them attentively I for myself have come to a conclusion that J-10A will be simpler to be made on the basis of J-10B having taken a nose cone and the air inlet from J-10A, than to bring J-10A Trumpeter to that level at which the J-10B Trumpeter model is made. These are two absolutely different in quality, geometrical accuracy and study an interior and an exterior of model. 11 hours ago, stevehnz said: this is a kit I'm keen to get sometime soon to Don't do it!You shouldn't buy J-10A! Buy J-10B.By the way about J-10B I wrote something in this branch: the way, conversion of J-10B in newer J-10C version requires probably very few efforts, but am afraid as modification of J-10C will be soon outdated because China tests J-10 option with a thrust vectoring: resource: http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3879&sid=f2d57bfec2cd8d34612abff29d808089&start=60 B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, Valkyrie said: I’d like to know too, got a couple of brand new Trumpeters in the stash...I thought it was Mr. Color, is that Gunze? Anyway, will enjoy watching this. Yes, is Gunze! Mr.Color & Aqueuos Hobby Colour. But Trumpeter contains many mistakes and typos concerning numbers in instructions enamels therefore I would recommend to use them with big care! However exact shade of a camouflage of J-10 big question! Blueish gray or Barley gray? Or Blueish gray for old aircraft and Barley gray for new aircraft? Who knows, who knows..... B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, Aardvark said: That's a not cool kit, that's a only 'conversion set' for conversion J-10B Trumpeter to J-10A!!! "Trumpeter" and "shape inaccuracy" in the same sentence... I wonder if that's ever happened before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, IanHx said: "Trumpeter" and "shape inaccuracy" in the same sentence... On 99 % agree, but J-10B really not bad.......maybe because is re-scale models in 48 scale? B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Thank you Serge for that info, it is the J-10B kit I have on watchlist, I think it was your thread from August made me aware of these cool looking aircraft. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianfuxia Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Assuming Serge approves (), you might also consider the J-10S boxing. That's the one I previewed and built. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Found this pic below which bears a strong resemblance to the kit. Wondering if there were several versions of J-10 with different intakes ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 13 hours ago, IanHx said: Wondering if there were several versions of J-10 with different intakes ? You are absolutely right! Air intakes main visual difference between the early J-10A model and later J-10B and J-10C. The J-10 air intakes is in general one of the most interesting metamorphoses!At first he was on 1st prototype as at Lavi and F-16.At least there is a photo though I am not sure that it is not the photoshop. Then, on J-10 have put the air intakes structurally similar to J-8 which is in turn borrowed about MiG-23 which in turn was under influence the Phantom. Then the air intakes was replaced with DSI,as on F-16, F-22 and F-35.....Here pictures where the distinction of versions is visually illustrated: and text: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-differences-between-Chengdu-J-10A-J-10B-and-J-10C B.R. Serge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Thanks Serge, that's useful stuff. Far more useful than the 30 minutes spent on my hands and knees playing every modeller's least favourite game, "find the ridiculously small part that's just pinged out of the tweezers and onto the floor". The part cheated - it was on the desk the whole time, sniggering... @#£ ! joystick... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, IanHx said: The part cheated - it was on the desk the whole time, sniggering... @#£ ! joystick.. Hate that but it happens more than I’d like to admit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, IanHx said: Far more useful than the 30 minutes spent on my hands and knees playing every modeller's least favourite game, "find the ridiculously small part that's just pinged out of the tweezers and onto the floor". I know this game! In this game against me and J-10B plays my floor mats in the coalitions with my cat! Before my cat and my floor mats have put physical losses to my J-10B and my spiritual health I have managed to make it: - cockpit is rather quite good from a box: Pay attention that such heavy joint of a wing and the fuselage is built without hard putty use! Hard putty is required a little on joints under a wing: but as you see absolutely it is a little: Also a little hard putty is required in a tail part: but as you see very little! Wheel bay quite good, it is better than at J-10A: but to real have a little relations: What isn't really good in J-10B set, these are too thick stabilizers of missile! You should do them most because photoetching is issued only for old Chinese missile. Do you ask why at all advantages of J-10B, J-10A is interesting to me? Situation as about the SAAB JSS-39 A and C! SAAB JAS-39A has many interesting options of nose art but SAAB JAS-39C has more modern suspended arms! J-10A 44 divisions has such nose art: It is not the photoshop because I saw a video on YouTube of J-10A with it a nose art. You understand that a video the photoshop very difficult and what for? But decal with it a nose art for J-10A 44 divisions aren't known to me! B.R. Serge P.S. On 25.01.2018 at 12:11 PM, Aardvark said: The J-10 air intakes is in general one of the most interesting metamorphoses!At first he was on 1st prototype as at Lavi and F-16. P.P.S. But this: this is photoshop!!!! Edited January 29, 2018 by Aardvark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Aardvark please don't hijack Ian's build thread with a build of yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 11 hours ago, Black Knight said: Aardvark please don't hijack Ian's build thread with a build of yours ..... but he was doing such a good job of hiding the lack of progress pictures from me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 .. and on that note.... here's what's taking me so long - can't even SEE some of the parts ( ejection seat handle was a separate part i kid you not ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Black Knight said: Aardvark please don't hijack Ian's build thread with a build of yours Dear, Black Knight, I won't be able to continue to hijack this build thread mr. IanHx with photos my model! Because besides described according to the reference to a problem with HUD after my cat has dumped (or has eaten?) from my desktop HUD, he has also dumped (or has eaten?) one nose wheel and control panel! Yes that control panel which you see on a photo! As result until I don't buy one more J-10B for his conversion in J-10A (then will be released HUD also the control panel) or these details any wonderfully won't be, it doesn't make any sense to do something with my model. Because the collected J-10B model without control panel also HUD, on one wheel instead look a little strange and unusually! Believe, I had at all no desire to demotivate mr. IanHx on construction of his model having placed in this branch of a photo of mine J - 10B! If mr. IanHx considers finding of a photo of my model in this branch inappropriate, I can remove them from mine posting! Summarizing, the fact that I wanted to tell in this branch the posting. If someone wants the qualitative and modern J-10 model, then in the presence of more best J-10B from the Trumpeter it is worth buying it! If someone wants to have in the J-10A and J-10B collection of identical quality, it is better to buy three models! Two J-10B and one J-10A. Collect one J-10B as is, and on the basis of the second J-10B to create J-10A with use of some details from J-10A. Or make J-10A scrathchbulit details such as radar nose cone and air inlet. If to someone all the same, what modification at you also isn't important J-10, and also what detailing at him and quality of a surface and if you have already bought J-10A from the Trumpeter, then just make J-10A as is from box! Such algorithm. What I categorically don't recommend to do, so it to try to bring the accuracy, geometry and quality of a surface of J-10A the Trumpeter, to the corresponding J-10B parameters! It is a bad way which will take away from you many forces, time and money! Collect J-10A better as is, or make J-10A on the basis of J-10B. Naturally, it is only my opinion and I don't apply for a role of the guru on J-10. I only wanted to warn the posting those who will read this branch, from those mistakes which I had made! Especially as for many the J-10B model from Trumpeter has remained almost unnoticed in the shadow J-10A Trumpeter. And also to share some photos of the presents of J-10 found me in the Chinese or Russian segments the Internet. 1 hour ago, IanHx said: .... but he was doing such a good job of hiding the lack of progress pictures from me I would compare it to how at concerts of super stars, for a public warming up, is addressed by less famous bands! 53 minutes ago, IanHx said: and on that note.... here's what's taking me so long - can't even SEE some of the parts ( ejection seat handle was a separate part i kid you not ) Good job! B.w. real ejection seat in a real cockpit J-10 is a China copy M.B.Mk.10 ejection seat! B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 Some progress... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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