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Wm Blecky

Kits World decals, how accurate are they?

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I came across a Kits World decal sheet for 1/72 Hurricanes.  It has a couple of schemes that have peaked my interest.  In particular, the Romanian Air Force one stands out in my eyes:

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Can anyone comment on the accuracy of these decals and the schemes illustrated?

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Hi

    I havent used them, but there are some tasty options there :) 

 

  they would look good on a whiff whirlwind :) 

 

  cheers

    jerry

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Hi, Wm Blecky,

 

The Rumanian example looks accurate. On the contrary, the Dutch one doesn't. Most probably they had the "rectangular flag" insignia with nothing on the upper wing surface (other than the RAF roundel overpainted). The colours, however, look accurate. Remember those were IIbs with 12-gun wings, though the two outer were taken out.

 

FErnando

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Thanks fellas, I appreciate your help.  Ironically, I was just looking on the net for something else and I came across a new (???) decal sheet for Hurricane Mk.Is from RB Productions.  Not only does it cover the same Hurricane as on the Kits World sheet, there are several others.  Radu's instructions are better detailed and more informative than what appears to be with the Kits World sheet, plus, having purchased several of his other decals previously, I know the quality and accuracy of his work, so far less to concern myself with.

 

 1/72 Romanian Hurricane Mk.1 - Click Image to Close

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17 hours ago, Wm Blecky said:

I came across a Kits World decal sheet for 1/72 Hurricanes.  It has a couple of schemes that have peaked my interest.  In particular, the Romanian Air Force one stands out in my eyes:

 

Can anyone comment on the accuracy of these decals and the schemes illustrated?

Regarding the Romanian Hurricane it depends on how much you care about the little things, but since you`ve asked: :D

- the red circle of the cross should not be segmented (in spite of it appearing as such in several colour profiles), the blue band should be wider and those corners at the base of each M (the Michael cross is basically made up of four Ms) should be more pronounced I think.
- in terms of shape, the number doesn`t look that much like the one on the real aircraft
- the coloring of the mounted Mickey with white, brown AND yellow is probably imaginative. If you look at a photo of the logo with the cross next to it (on orthochromatic film - hence the blue appears as the ligher colour) you can see that the same colours from the cross seem to be on the emblem too:
http://www.cartula.ro/forum/topic/13626-hurricane-uri-mk1-romanesti-la-72/page__p__203676#entry203676
and another one:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1764&view=findpost&p=23412

There`s a picture with the crashed no.2 here:
https://imgur.com/gallery/0a4Rjut


Btw, no.2 was a late type Mk.I with metal wings and for the 1/72 scale that largely leaves you to choose between the old Hasegawa kit (I bought it too for this purpose, but it has its downsides) or the new Airfix kit with alleycat`s resin conversion set.

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Thanks fellas, I appreciate your help.  Ironically, I was just looking on the net for something else and I came across a new (???) decal sheet for Hurricane Mk.Is from RB Productions.  Not only does it cover the same Hurricane as on the Kits World sheet, there are several others.  Radu's instructions are better detailed and more informative than what appears to be with the Kits World sheet, plus, having purchased several of his other decals previously, I know the quality and accuracy of his work, so far less to concern myself with.

Well, yes, Radu`s decal sheet looks definitely like the better deal if you`re interested in Romanian Hurricanes alone. As far as the accuracy of Romanian subjects is concerned you won`t find better decals out there than his. His sheet also offers both the choice of building a metal wing Hurricane and a fabric wing one (the no.14 and no.15). The widely available Airfix kit can be used for the latter and apart from replacing the infamous 4 spoke wheels you wouldn`t need any other aftermarket. I had already recommended the RB decal to you in my RfI thread btw.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235031178-romanian-hurricane-mki-airfix-172/&do=findComment&comment=2919174

 

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On the Cross de Laraine on the free French version, I belive the cross should be blue, not red

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4 hours ago, woody37 said:

On the Cross de Laraine on the free French version, I belive the cross should be blue, not red

Yes !!

I dunno how often that mistake will be repeated again.

It's even clear in most B/W photos if one compares the relative brightness with the roundel colours.

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4 hours ago, woody37 said:

On the Cross de Laraine on the free French version, I belive the cross should be blue, not red

Good catch!  Thanks Woody.  I missed that totally.  I have a Berna Decals sheet covering several Free French Hurricanes, one of them the same as on the Kit World sheet, but Berna did get it right:

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It is details like that that had me questioning the Kits World sheet.  I have read elsewhere that they do tend to have accuracy issues.  While I am not an overboard rivet counter, I do like to get details / markings correct where possible.

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My observations about KitsWorld decals veers slightly off topic insofar as it does not directly address the Hurricane sheet but hopefully stays within the boundaries of the topic heading.

 

Decal manufacturers tend to create images that rely on best estimates, guesswork and imagination. So do kit manufacturers in their respective decal sheets. In a general sense, so do most kit builders. A single error in an earlier work can start a chain of repetitions  - all without reliable sourcing - until the mistake becomes a fact.

 

With the time upon us when we will have no more World War II service people left, it is unlikely that further clarification will emerge.

 

A recent topic on MTO B-25 colours indicated how problematic the identification of colours, let alone decals, can be.

 

A look at the KitsWorld decal sheet for Ploesti B-24Ds (172117) shows them with ball turrets. The confusion over whether Kane's aircraft 'Hail Columbia' had this or that artwork is also further compounded.

 

Their B-25 decal set (172024) indicates an RAF fin flash for the aicraft 'That's All Brother' which seems to conflict with the photographic evidence (Katarzynski. B-25 'Michell' in Combat over Europe [MTO], p.27)

 

I doubt there is a definitive solution to markings in general and decals in particular. As time gives me shakier hands and visual challenges for close up work, I take comfort in 'representation' over 'replica'.

 

Michael

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9 hours ago, woody37 said:

On the Cross de Laraine on the free French version, I belive the cross should be blue, not red

Hasegawa made the same error on their 1/48 Hurricane kit:

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I think this would be a good example of someone putting far too much "faith" in the reputation of another, while one of the 2 is presuming the other's work / information is correct, only to end up furthering the error.

 

Chalk it up to a combination of poor research and one manufacturer copying the other's artwork.

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I built that one but ended up overpainting the cross with blue, have a soft spot for aircraft in the scheme. The new Airfix Blenheim appears to have the colours correct :)

 

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It's funny.  Just because I saw the Cross of Lorraine for the first time printed in red on the decal sheet for the original Airfix Blenheim that colour got fixed in my mind as "correct" and no matter how often I see it in blue and know blue is correct part of my brain still goes "nope , red" while another says blue.

I still hope to see a red Mustang too.  Another colour call out gone wrong.

 

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On 1/13/2018 at 8:01 AM, woody37 said:

On the Cross de Laraine on the free French version, I belive the cross should be blue, not red

I've thought about this before. Yes... the centre of the French roundel is blue. BUT... the Free French flag had a red Cross of Lorraine on the white! I decided that the only way to see definitive evidence would be to find a photo taken with orthochromatic film. It wasn't easy, but I found one, and the cross is definitely blue (below – compare it to the blue area of the rudder). But... we also see various designs of the cross... thick, thin, plain, with round 'things' on the ends, etc. So I'm wondering if perhaps there were no real specs for this markings, and units just added what seemed appropriate. That might explain the existence of both blue and red crosses. Just speculating.

Bob

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blue lorraine.jpg

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22 hours ago, woody37 said:

I built that one but ended up overpainting the cross with blue, have a soft spot for aircraft in the scheme. The new Airfix Blenheim appears to have the colours correct :)

 

Actually the Airfix kit provides a choice of either red or blue, with the instructions stating that research as to the correct colour "is ongoing".  However they say that current thinking is that they were blue and that RAF colours were used.  Well, that's one less colour on the transfer sheet then.

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