Airfix 1/72 Phantom FG.1 in Stock at Hornby

[huvut76g7gbbui7]

1 hour ago, iainpeden said:

seven:

Eight :Yellow bird on RAF camouflage ..pity they didn't have the 'Royal Navy' wording there too.

[Rabbit Leader]

OK - So, If your anything like me and cannot decide how many of these Airfix Phantoms or Xtradecal sheets you need in your stash, this Xtradecal list below may come in handy?

It's mainly broken up in Squadron order, followed by the year in service, colour schemes, types of roundel and overall sheen (to my understanding).

I've deliberately left off the Royal Navy sheet plus the three Stencil sheets for obvious reasons. 

Anyway - I hope this helps and apologies if the format is all mucked up on the device your looking at? 

 

*Note - whilst putting this list together, I did notice a few typo errors on the instructions sheets.

There not major ones, however Black Mike is listed as an FGR.2 (it's an FG.1) and some squadron numbers appear to be incorrect.

The decal sheets themselves however appear to be spot on and I'm sure will all look great when available for sale.  

 

Cheers.. Dave 

 

Sheet #	SQD	Serial	Year	Mark	Colours	Roundel	Sheen	RWR	Role
X72290	2	XT906 / T	1975	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	Recce
X72295	6	XV403 / 403	1969	FGR.2	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	Strike
X72290	6	XT912 / 912	1969	FGR.2	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	Strike
X72295	6	XV423 / R	1974	FGR.2	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	Strike
X72295	14	XV464 / 464	1974	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	Strike
X72293	17	XT901 / J	1973	FGR.2	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	Strike
X72292	17	XV498 / 498	1974	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	Strike
X72292	19	XV439 / A	1977	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72295	19	XV422 / J	1980	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72293	19	XV419 / AA	1991	FGR.2	Grey / Blue Fin	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72292	23	XV434 / J	1976	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	AD
X72294	23	XV485 / P	1981	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	N	AD
X72293	23	XV499 / I	1993	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72294	29	XV399 / P	1980	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72293	29	XV419 / G	1981	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72294	31	XV491 / 491	1971	FGR.2	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	Strike
X72290	41	XV414 / N	1976	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	Recce
X72293	43	XV574 / B	1970	FG.1	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	AD
X72282	43	XV571 / A	1974	FG.1	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	AD
X72294	43	XV579 / R	1979	FG.1	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	AD
X72282	43	XV571 / A	1987	FG.1	Grey / Checks	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72282	43	XV571 / A	1989	FG.1	Grey / Checks	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72290	54	XV403 / A	1972	FGR.2	DG/DSG	D	Gloss	N	Strike
X72292	56	XV470 / C	1976	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	AD
X72295	56	XT891 / Z	1978	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	AD
X72294	56	XT903 / X	1988	FGR.2	Grey / Red Fin	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72290	56 / 74	XT914 / Z	1992	FGR.2	Grey / Black Fin	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72294	64	XV401 / B	1987	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	Training
X72295	64	XV401 / B	1988	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	Training
X72293	74	XV490 / R	1992	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72292	92	XV413 / Z	1977	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72294	92	XV418 / S	1979	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72295	92	XV498 / U	1989	FGR.2	Grey / Blue Fin	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72293	92	XV498 / U	1992	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72290	111	XV582 / B	1975	FG.1	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72295	111	XT865 / U	1980	FG.1	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72282	111	XT863 / G	1983	FG.1	Grey	D	Matt	Y	AD
X72293	111	XV582 / M	1989	FG.1	Black	Tactical	Gloss	Y	AD
X72282	111	XV574 / Z	1989	FG.1	Grey / Black Fin	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72295	?	XV474 / F	1978	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72290	1435 Flt	XV466 / D	1991	FGR.2	Grey / White Fin	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72290	1435 Flt	XV421 / F	1991	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	AD
X72293	228 OCU	XV393 / A	1979	FGR.2	DG/DSG	Tactical	Matt	N	Training
X72294	228 OCU	XV406 / CK	1987	FGR.2	Grey	Tactical	Matt	Y	Training
X72296	A & AEE	XT597	1983	FG.1	A & AEE / 25th	D	Gloss	N	Testing
X72282	A & AEE	XT597	1990	FG.1	A & AEE	D	Gloss	N	Testing

[iainpeden]

Well you have just saved me a job!

I'm currently working on a spreadsheet of the British Phantoms I have done and working out what to do next. I think it'll be a 19 squadron Camo a/c with light blue checkers around the roundal and on the RWR fairing.

 

With regard to the Xtradecal sheets I have noticed 2 errors: first a 29 squadron a/c is marked as belonging to 30 (which never flew the F4) but is understandable given the XXX on the unit markings.  Secondly the 111 special at IAT in 1983 is shown as being overall LAG - it wasn't, it was in the standard 3 grey scheme but had either had a very good clean or was freshly painted - and won the "Best Kept Phantom award" as I recall.

 

MInd you I'll still be buying a few of those sheets.

 

(Wasn't 54 a recce squadron too?)

 

 

[Jabba]

29 Sqn is famous for having XXX in its badge, as one person many years ago was told to paint XX one (as in roman numerals I) X on their aircraft. So he did it XX and one more X so hence the XXX and it has stuck.

[Dave Fleming]

14 minutes ago, Jabba said:

29 Sqn is famous for having XXX in its badge, as one person many years ago was told to paint XX one (as in roman numerals I) X on their aircraft. So he did it XX and one more X so hence the XXX and it has stuck.

 

Sadly, an unrban myth as the very first iteration of the markings had 4 X on it

Anyone else think the bombs are supposed to be 500lb ones? Look a little small for British 1000lb bombs of that era

[PhoenixII]

2 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

.............................Sadly, an unrban myth as the very first iteration of the markings had 4 X on it

Oh NO! Don't tell me the Aussie's have been playing the Castlemaine 'joke' THAT long?!!!

[Blacktjet]

2 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

 

Sadly, an unrban myth as the very first iteration of the markings had 4 X on it

Anyone else think the bombs are supposed to be 500lb ones? Look a little small for British 1000lb bombs of that era

As are all the other reason relating to beer too. The true story behind the 3 Xs is; as Dave says, there used to be 4 Xs in a bar when all squadron bars were separate from the roundel. Top brass decided that all fighter bars should be put either side of the roundel. 4 Xs either side was too long so they put 3 on one side and 1 on the other. A new C.O. didn't like that so had the paint shop put 3 on each side of the roundel and so the Sqn. bar stuck as XXX.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Blacktjet

[VMA131Marine]

On 1/12/2018 at 1:28 PM, philbrad said:

No Dave the FG.1 sprue with SNEB pods, slatted tailevators and radar unit were not included - If I was doing and FG.1 this would be on its way back to the supplier now. As the instruction set was FG.1 and has no crossover with the FGR.2 bits this is probably a packing error at manufacture, I seem to be the first who have received the kit in this fashion - to be honest I'm not complaining. The Sparrow/Skyflash/Sidewinders and tanks are still in there as are the 1000lb freefall bombs - more than enough weaponry for my project but anyone receiving this kit with this sprue only will be pretty hacked off. 

 

PhilB 

Airfix notes that the radome was only hinged on the FG.1 to reduce the space needed for storage on the carrier. That being the case, it doesn't make sense to have an open radome on the FGR.2

[FalkeEins]

3 hours ago, iainpeden said:

  Secondly the 111 special at IAT in 1983 is shown as being overall LAG - it wasn't, it was in the standard 3 grey scheme but had either had a very good clean or was freshly painted - and won the "Best Kept Phantom award" as I recall.

 

 

 

 

XT 863 ...my pic . Loads more RAF F-4s where that came from.. just saying

 

[Nigel Bunker]

4 hours ago, iainpeden said:

With regard to the Xtradecal sheets I have noticed 2 errors: first a 29 squadron a/c is marked as belonging to 30 (which never flew the F4) but is understandable given the XXX on the unit markings.  Secondly the 111 special at IAT in 1983 is shown as being overall LAG - it wasn't, it was in the standard 3 grey scheme but had either had a very good clean or was freshly painted - and won the "Best Kept Phantom award" as I recall.

Don't forget the Modeldecal sheets - they cover most of the RAF Phantoms with the benefit of contmperaneous notes on colour schemes.

[PhoenixII]

51 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said:

Airfix notes that the radome was only hinged on the FG.1 to reduce the space needed for storage on the carrier. That being the case, it doesn't make sense to have an open radome on the FGR.2

Hinged on the FG.1 so the aircraft could go 'below deck' as we have smaller carriers than you!

FGR.2 the radome was removable, hinges being a bit too complicated for 'crab' liney's

30 minutes ago, Nigel Bunker said:

Don't forget the Modeldecal sheets - they cover most of the RAF Phantoms with the benefit of contmperaneous notes on colour schemes.

Nigel, think you can expect an absolute shed load of Mr. Ward's decal sheets being reissued by Hannants.

[Rhino]

39 minutes ago, Nigel Bunker said:

Don't forget the Modeldecal sheets - they cover most of the RAF Phantoms with the benefit of contmperaneous notes on colour schemes.

Or the excellent Airdoc British Phantoms in Germany sheet (if you can find one) accompanied by their stencil set which complements it.

 

[666nimrod]

Although we still have several Modeldecal Phantom sheets available, they are all listed on our web site, I am afraid that there is no chance of any reprints of ones that are out of print. All the artwork was produced pre the use of a computer and the current decal printers will not use it.

The couple of corrections to the new Xtradecals have already been done, Black Mike is an FG.1 and 30 Sqn was 29 Sqn.

Not sure about the colour of XT863, the nose wheel door looks the sane colour as the uppersuraces

David Hannant

[Rhino]

37 minutes ago, 666nimrod said:

 

Not sure about the colour of XT863, the nose wheel door looks the same colour as the uppersuraces

 

The photos I have seen, and the information floating around all suggest XT863 had a single colour grey overall, which looks to me to be Light Aircraft Grey. This includes the colour of the missiles.

As is usual with photos, the only true reference is the guy who painted it. I have heard a story this was an experimental scheme, though the stonger evidence is that it was one of 111's many special schemes.

Sorry Iain, I have to disagree with you on this one.

 

Ted

[Gary C]

6 minutes ago, Rhino said:

The photos I have seen, and the information floating around all suggest XT863 had a single colour grey overall, which looks to me to be Light Aircraft Grey. This includes the colour of the missiles.

As is usual with photos, the only true reference is the guy who painted it. I have heard a story this was an experimental scheme, though the stonger evidence is that it was one of 111's many special schemes.

Sorry Iain, I have to disagree with you on this one.

 

Ted

Standard lo viz scheme, you can see the upper/lower demarcation line at the bottom of the intake.

[Rabbit Leader]

55 minutes ago, 666nimrod said:

The couple of corrections to the new Xtradecals have already been done, Black Mike is an FG.1 and 30 Sqn was 29 Sqn.

Not sure about the colour of XT863, the nose wheel door looks the sane colour as the uppersuraces

David Hannant

Thanks David, 

Whilst on the subject of correcting small errors, the 14 Squadron FGR.2 (XV464) on sheet X72295 reads 54 Sqd on the accompanying instruction sheet. Hopefully this can be rectified prior to going to the printers. 

 

You have made many a Phantom Fan very happy, so three cheers your way.. 

 

Dave

[Rhino]

I agree, I can just make out the change under the roundel, but it is not very clear. My guess would be LAG and MSG. Would love to see a top shot.. ( Not my photo, courtesy of a very good friend of mine).

 

[Dave Fleming]

17 minutes ago, Gary C said:

Standard lo viz scheme, you can see the upper/lower demarcation line at the bottom of the intake.

And at the rear fuselage just behind the wing. 

 

[Dave Fleming]

You see the front demarcation better here

 

 

 

Remember the scheme was designed to blend 

[Dave Fleming]

You can clearly see the demarcation along the bottom of the intake and onto the underside here

 

Edited January 15, 2018 by Dave Fleming

[71chally]

There are so many special and non-standard schemes to choose from, as well as the options listed above, it's unreal!

 

The short lived squadrons such as 54 and 17.

 

There was even an FG.1, XV406 D of 111 Sqn that carried the recce pod and underwing tank mounted photo flash unit.

 

I do like this look worn by XV486, note the white areas on the rear

 

 

 

And, somewhere I have a shot of one in Light Aircraft Grey all over with full colour large tactical roundels.

 

 

You can never run out of British Phantoms to build in a modelling life time!

Edited January 15, 2018 by 71chally

[huvut76g7gbbui7]

2 hours ago, FalkeEins said:

XT 863 ...my pic

I know that using a picture on a computer is not the best way to identify colours but in that shot,to my eyes,the nose and mainwheel doors look like LAG. So to does the bottom of the intake below the roundel.

Where's DuncanB when we need him?

 

Totally aside,does anyone know of any pics of XT863 as G of 111 in the grey and green scheme?

[bootneck]

I don't normally get close to these beauties but I did manage to take a photo of XV409, which had been retired to a gate guard at MPA.

 

This view shows a demarcation line splitting the upper and lower halves of the intake thingy on the side of the nose.

 

Here is a zoomed in shot

[71chally]

55 minutes ago, Scimitar said:

Totally aside,does anyone know of any pics of XT863 as G of 111 in the grey and green scheme?

Would it have worn that scheme?

 

Just thinking, it was handed over to the RAF at St Athan at the end of November 1978, it would then have had a period of servicing and painting there.

The grey scheme started to be introduced in 1978.

Edited January 15, 2018 by 71chally

[iainpeden]

35 minutes ago, 71chally said:

Would it have worn that scheme?

 

Just thinking, it was handed over to the RAF at the end of November 1978, it would then have had a period of servicing and painting there.

The grey scheme started to be introduced in 1978.

 

According to Peter Foster's book "RAF Phantom", XT863 was delvered to the RAF at St Athan on 27/11/78 and delivered to 111 in the grey scheme during April 1980. So it's likely she was never in grey/green.

 

With regard to the scheme at Greenham, Modeldecal sheet 72 is clear that she was in the 3 grey scheme; my references include Robbie Shaw's book "F4 Phantom guardian of the Free World" which includes a picture of XT863 at Greenham where the demarcation between barley grey and LAG is very clear below the roundal and can also be seen at the wrap around on the wing leading edge.