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Procopius

Striking Back (1/72 Trumpeter Wellington Ic)

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Nice pics.

 

I remember a BAPC meeting in the late 80’s and being inside the Sultan of Oman’s VC-10 A40-AB and noticing that there were seat belts on the double bed in the master bedroom. I wonder how effective those were before his Magestyness slipped under the duvet in a harsh landing!

 

Somewhere there is a picture of me on the late 80’s smiling out of one of the passenger doors taken by the Editor of a well known historical aviation magazine. 

 

Happy days

 

Trevor

 

 

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I'm liking the look of this effort Edward & I see you've attracted the usual gang of miscreants, layabouts & ne'er do wells that I feel so at home with so I'll just go & elbow my way into a decent possie & await the fun commencing. :)

Steve.

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I think this is going to be a lot less fun than I thought it would be.

 

I saw some sink marks on one of the bulkheads, and I decided I'd use my punch-and-die set to fill them.

 

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This is one of those things you'd only do because you had a punch-and-die set. It's kind of pointless time wasting.

 

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Anyway, I suppose I can go and fill all the other sink h--

 

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Fuuuuu-orget that.

 

Also, this means painting the interior will be a bitch. Order of operations: paint canvas/dope, then mask(?) and paint metal framing? Or paint metal framing, then caaaaaaaaaaarefully paint in the canvas areas? Paint canvas areas, then drybrush metal framing so it looks like crap? Kill self, be freed of the crushing burden of consciousness? Many choices.

 

For the red dope, I was planning on using Colourcoats Dull RAF/FAA red, suitably thinned, over a base of the erratic Misterkits acrylics, namely RAF/RFC clear-doped linen. Here on my paint mule, it looks uncomfortably like strawberry jam, but the effect is a little better in person. Maybe I can just spray the interior the light grey I plan to use for the framing, and then apply this almost like a wash? Could work.

 

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The big windows are masked off, so I can do the frames with minimal overspray. It will be interesting to see how Airfix handles this.

 

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The interior is of course ten billion tiny parts, because that's what Trumpeter likes to do, not realizing that time spent on the aircraft's interior is time you never, ever get back. Here we have what I assume is the Elsan, (a spectacular article on WWII aircraft waste elimination facilities may be found here), the four-part pilot's seat, and part of the command decking. 

 

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There are a million other internal parts, I just haven't clipped them off the sprues.

 

As a side note, the Elsan appears to be Interior Grey Green:

 

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48 minutes ago, Procopius said:

a spectacular article on WWII aircraft waste elimination facilities may be found here), 

On a par with learning that the Apollo space capsules routinely stank of farts when returning from the moon. You just know that every significant historical moment has a Rabelaisian backstory....

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57 minutes ago, Procopius said:

I think this is going to be a lot less fun than I thought it would be.

 

Yep, that's life :D

 

I'd paint the framework Aluminium and paint the linen in afterwards, secure in the knowledge that unless the model was catastrophically broken open no-one would be any the wiser... 

 

Cheers,

 

Stew

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I arrive a little late and I'm already at the back standing with all the seats gone. This looks like a great build. Ever since I built the Airfix one back in the 60s a kid I've always had a soft spot for the Wimpy, although I've never built another. 

 

On the interior, an option could be to paint the reddish dope colour with something like Humbrol flesh or a brick red. Then give it some variation with a dry brushing of a linen dope shade. There is a lot of variation in the shade and not much is seen anyway. I would then highlight the frames with an aluminium dry brushing from an almost dry brush that had been dipped in Revell Aluminium and the paint effectively almost all wiped off using a tissue. As a hairy stick man I do find that the old fashioned dry brush technique is a very useful one. I've no doubt you will come up with an effective approach that will give an excellent finish. All the best with the build. 

 

 

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I'm horrified to see you using a Spitfire as your paint-mule (have you no respect?) but pleased to see you assembling a kit that I, unsurprisingly, have in my stash and, also unsurprisingly, haven't got round to doing.

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I’m even later than 825 - sorry.  But if you want the Usual Suspects, I’m afraid you get me.  Looking forward to seeing a Procopian Wimpy take shape.

 

true to firm, you’ve already made me laugh out loud twice in under 2 pages.  The IKE-llington is a work of genius!

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Heck, that's a lot of sink marks...

I think I built the same kit back when I restarted but I can't remember what I did about the internals. I think I probably painted the linen, applied some thinned red over the top and then masked that off and painted the framing - NOT! How about doing the linen / dope and then using a silver pencil on the frames?

One thing you should NOT do is buy the Eduard bomb bay PE. I tried it. It's horribly complicated:

 

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It's fairly easy to... no it's not, it's really hard to get the frames together:

 

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but then you're supposed to fold lots and lots of bomb hangers and feed them through the gaps...

 

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... that you find you haven't quite got lined up. Grrrrr.

And the doors! There are lots and lots of them. You fold them in four (yes, four!):

 

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and then break off the hinges trying to get them on. I bought another set (oh yes I did) and tried to sort out the errors but then found the best method was:

 

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screw the whole thing up and fit the kit's closed bay.

Doors. Lots of doors. I know a lady who fitted them on her model. Madness.

 

Save yourself PC!

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Looking forward to seeing this progress, too, PC. Although you keep making me look at the Mk X fuselage in the cabinet of doom, which stares back accusingly...

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9 hours ago, stevehnz said:

I see you've attracted the usual gang of miscreants, layabouts & ne'er do wells

Yay, I’ve finally got a reputation! Can I be a ne’er do well please?

 

PC - re the interior. I’m currently doing Tamiya’s Beaufighter. Fairly early on I jury rigged the interior together and taped the fuselage halves together. Result? Literally nothing could be seen in the murk, so I’ve limited any detailing to those areas near the transparencies and perfunctorily painted the interior and resolved to limit my modest skills to the exterior. However that is just me.

 

As  for painting the interior, my suggestion would be to concentrate on the red doping and then dry brush the painted aluminium.

 

Loving the Elsan details btw!

 

Trevor

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I have seen the future 'past' it will be Airfix boxed, believe me

 

Quite a few extractor marks of course but most of them become hidden behind assemblies. The bomb bay doors

 

Tremendous

 

 

 

 

I know a lady who fitted them too...

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A stirring prologue as usual Mr P. I will be loitering around. Bill is right, the Airfix sample is a work of magnificence. Although I suspect it still won't be in the shops until this time next year, or perhaps you could pick one up from the Airfix stand personally if you can make it to Telford.

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12 hours ago, stevehnz said:

I'm liking the look of this effort Edward & I see you've attracted the usual gang of miscreants, layabouts & ne'er do wells that I feel so at home with so I'll just go & elbow my way into a decent possie & await the fun commencing. :)

Steve.

Well I think I qualify on at least one count, I'll just sit on the floor at the front, might have to get up & move around every now and again - it's the knees just won't do what they're supposed to these days.

The IKEA advert was incredibly clever - well donesSir, well done.

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This is simply intended to get the juices flowing


Anticipation is worth relishing I always feel

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The visible ejector marks are very few, most will sit behind

 

stuff

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I have tried to rotate these images


Win 10 simply sneers and walks away

 

Wriggling its backside too  :(

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These parts of models were not sealed behind glass, we were free to pick them up and be amazed...

 

I am enjoying New Airfix

 

 

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the non-Wellington fuselage looked rather familiar  :)

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I always find looking at the main body of the Wellington without it's skin akin to looking at the fossilised skeletal structure of a long passed dinosaur.

 

Made a Matchbox variety Wimpey back in the day.

 

I'm going to quietly slip in and grab a seat with the rest of the motley crew and come along for the ride.......

 

Cheers

 

Bruce

 

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I've joined the layabouts - may be overqualified..........

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3 hours ago, perdu said:

This is simply intended to get the juices flowing


Anticipation is worth relishing I always feel

 

Looks good! Almost wish I'd sold this one on and waited...but I seem to mostly be a holding company for models to be sold on at below RRP prices in a few years these days, so perhaps this is for the best.

 

12 hours ago, amblypygid said:

Looking forward to seeing this progress, too, PC. Although you keep making me look at the Mk X fuselage in the cabinet of doom, which stares back accusingly...

I suppose there's an eye in "Wellington", but it's still worrisome that it gazes back. (NB I HATE puns, and this is the only one I shall make.)

 

12 hours ago, CedB said:

Heck, that's a lot of sink marks...

I think I built the same kit back when I restarted but I can't remember what I did about the internals. I think I probably painted the linen, applied some thinned red over the top and then masked that off and painted the framing - NOT! How about doing the linen / dope and then using a silver pencil on the frames?

 

 

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Interior looked good though, Buffers! And happily, I build bomb bays closed.

 

On 11/17/2017 at 12:03 PM, Cookenbacher said:

I just noted the quantities of each piece, hilarious PC, well worth the effort.

 

I can't claim full credit, since as I'm not a graphic artist, I had to steal and modify that visual element from somewhere else in Photoshop, but the paucity of Allen wrenches compared to things needing to be Allen wrenched with Ikea products is a perpetual source of wonder. We're not so established that we don't have a lot of Ikea furniture here (Mrs P would like to change that, but a $300 bookshelf is ten largish 1/72 kits), so I've done a lot of wrenching with those ludicrously inadequate little things in my time.

 

So! For the interior, I decided to make my life harder than it needs to be. Are you familiar with MisterKit paints? No? Lucky you! I think they're some of the worst paints ever formulated, but for a long spell, they were the only accurate WWI colours around, and still're the only game in town if you like acrylics. They perform not unlike Humbrol acrylics, if Humbrol acrylics were made in Hell, by the architect of all human woe, the Devil. I've thinned them with, over the years: water; Testor's acrylic thinner; isopropyl alcohol (don't); Tamiya X-20; and today, Gunze self-levelling thinner for lacquer-based paints. This paint is exceptionally thick. I've heard of people spraying it "straight from the bottle" (how many times have we heard this claim from modellers?) and I can only image they use one of those industrial strength car painting airbrushes that Devilbiss specialises in nowadays (the DAGR, which is apparently the weight of an assault rifle, excepted). Anyhow, I dumped quite a bit of thinner into the mixing cup for the paint (Clear Doped Linen, by the way, having stupidly decided to go ahead and streak the red over it anyway), and once again experienced one of MisterKit paint's most remarkable properties: its ability to soak up thinner the way that a piece of wood absorbs water. Some spluttering paint from my Badger 175 later, I went back and added more thinner -- probably at something like a 3:2 ratio, though who really knows? -- and finally got it down to the consistency of milk, albeit milk you might want to see someone else drink first, and then maybe wait a bit after that, to see if they threw up.

 

 

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And presto:

 

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Coverage is a fair bit worse-looking in person, but I'm hoping the self-leveling comes into play (incidentally, almost all European acrylics are problematic for me and get the Gunze treatment-- there must be some difference in composition to American-made ones), and anyway, we're going over it with that lovely red dope, remember? 

 

I still need to do the light grey that I'm using for the framing, as well. Grrgghnhh. 

 

 

 

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Ooooh!  This looks good.  Another miscreant, layabout & wotsit joining in!   

 

  :popcorn:

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Tamiya, a company of Nipponese origins make several wonderful paints you know...

 

just saying...:wicked:

 

 

 

I wish you well in your endeavours young paddywang

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Looking good PC. Sorry I'm late!

By the way, I love Misterkit paints, they're so easy to spray. I just thin them with Tamiya thinners, no more than any other paints. Maybe it's a batch thing and I got lucky?

Ian

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42 minutes ago, perdu said:

Tamiya, a company of Nipponese origins make several wonderful paints you know...

 

just saying...:wicked:

 

 

 

I wish you well in your endeavours young paddywang

 

I dislike Tamiya, because it plays so poorly with so many other paints. It's like a high-strung, but beautiful woman. I prefer Mrs P, who is beautiful and almost incapable of exhibiting emotion, unless she thinks she can get what she wants by crying. However, Perdu, just for you, I used Tamiya for the next phase of the interior, painting the cockpit and tailgun stations a dark almost-black, in this case a wholly unscientific mix of XF-24 Dark Grey and XF-1 Black.

 

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How many times did I put my thumb square on the just-painted starboard-side forward window framing? Three. Three times, and I dropped a big big "F" each time. Hopefully I'll have cured myself of this by Telford 2019, when I trust I will meet all of you (and disappoint you immensely  -- though if Mrs P has left me by then, please keep me in consideration should you have any daughters who are British nationals), but I am a terrible swearer -- not in the sense that I don't use the words properly, I'm solid as a rock in that department -- and deploy mighty oaths at the slightest provocation. Winston threw my glasses at a passing SUV in the parking lot of a grocery store, and I blurted out "Jesus Christ, Winston!" whereupon he repeated it six or seven times. Since his grandmother has taken it upon herself to impart ecclesiatical knowledge to him, I was able to pin it on her, but this may not be possible for the other words in my repertoire.

 

Anyway, I'm thinking I could maybe go over the black-ish areas with a midnight black enamel wash from Mig or AK or someone -- I forget which it is. 

 

21 minutes ago, limeypilot said:

Looking good PC. Sorry I'm late!

By the way, I love Misterkit paints, they're so easy to spray. I just thin them with Tamiya thinners, no more than any other paints. Maybe it's a batch thing and I got lucky?

Ian

Luck is often confused with skill, and I've seen your work and so know it's the latter. I'll try it again and see if things improve. I will refuse to acknowledge that I was the problem, however. We can keep that between ourselves.

 

 

It occurs to me that I have a lot of paint. My paint cupboard overfloweth:

 

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Your minor version will indeed pick up every syllable. I recall a friend of mine getting extremely irritated with his 2 year old in the car and eventually shouting "Will you sit in your f*****g seat!" The immediate reply was "I am sitting in my f*****g seat!"

 oops!

 

Ian

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Everyone who suggested putting down the red dope first, and then doing the streaks of fabric colour showing through, you were right and I was addled by thinner fumes because I keep forgetting to put on my mask. My way looks like crap.

 

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On the plus side, I got to do some wood grain for some of the fittings, and that's one of my favourite things on earth to do:

 

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Let me guess. This was actually interior grey-green.

 

 

 

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I think it will look just right after you paint the frames silver.

 

That wood grain looks smart - I know you've told me the technique before, but mind explaining the process again?

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