stevehnz Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Reading the current thread about RAF Meteor T.7 markings, brought to mind a related marking conundrum, namely that of the T.7s the RNZAF hired as nav trainers while 14 sqn RNZAF were stationed on Cyprus as part of the Middle East Air force as detailed here. Looking at the photo of WL400 in that last link, I would assume standard RAF high speed silver with yellow trainer bands scheme, BUT, some years ago, a WoNZ forum member, Shorty, emailed me a photo headed taken from a VHS of footage from a serving RNZAF officer which showed it to have a red nose panel with white outline where the normal anti glare panel would have been. I've not been able to locate any references to this other than this one photo. & wondered if anyone on Britmodeller can shed any light on this one. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 And now for something completely different… That sure is an oddball, I'd be interested to see how this came about, too. The squadron color maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Don McIntyre said: And now for something completely different… That sure is an oddball, I'd be interested to see how this came about, too. The squadron color maybe? Not for 14 sqn RNZAF Don, as far as I know, I did think the first time I saw it that it was a colour aberration caused by photographing the TV screen but looking at it, all other colours appear to be consistent especially black so I'm at a loss on this? I thought maybe the dayglo on some of the Meteors in the thread I linked to were a possibility but I think this predates them considerably plus the way it is applied doesn't appear correct for the dayglo noses. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I've just come across this thread Steve. I've got the first volume of Roger Lindsay's Cold War Shield books which is full of Meteor unit information. It also includes quite a few Meteor T.7 and Vampire T.11 images towards the back end and I'm sure certain 'Commonwealth' units are listed here as well. I'm currently at work (?), however will take a look when I get home in a few hours time - you never know your luck - something might just be in there. Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 That'd be great Dave, I'm a bit resource limited on this. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Rabbit Leader said: and I'm sure certain 'Commonwealth' units are listed here as well. I'm afraid not. I'm looking through Volume 1 right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Procopius said: I'm afraid not. I'm looking through Volume 1 right now. .... and I can find nothing in Vol.2 either, except that the Venoms of 14 Sqdn RNZAF had Red/White checks on the rudders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I found this on line Steve if it helps; Meteor T.7, WL400/Y, 14 Sqn, RNZAF, Nicosia, Cyprus It is the same aircraft,....... if you look closely it also appears to have a red fin bullet too. It looks black in the pic,...as does the anti glare panel,....but it matches the red of the roundel/fin flash due to the type of film used. I don`t see a white outline myself in the pic, nor the TV snap shot. All the best Tony Edit,.....the red could well be a flight colour,....... in the RAF each flight generaly had its own Meteor T.7 for continuation training. Usually coded X and Y. Edited November 11, 2017 by tonyot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Not directly related but here is a picture of a 14 Sqn Vampire in Malta. Is that a red nose too? Trevor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 Thanks for the input guys, Tony, your reasoning on that photo, which is the one I linked to in my first post, does make some sense & not something I had considered. I agree that the "white outline" is maybe likely to be glare/flare from the TV set. There seems to have been very little photography of 14 sqns time with the Mid East Air Force, maybe more digging required. That nose in your post Trevor is intriguing, they normally didn't even wear a black anti glare panel so wonder what that is, a red nose on a non trainer Vampire??? Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 14 Squadron RNZAF, Istres, 1955. Tempting to interpret the grey shades and compare with known colours ! Photo Credit :- B.A. Forward (Reference Roger Lindsay) Edit :- N.B. A smaller photo of this appears in Roger Lindsay's "Cold War Shield" Volume 2 Page 313. He provisionally identifies the rudder colours as "possibly red". I've another shot somewhere Dennis - here it is :- Photo Credit :- B.A. Forward (Reference Roger Lindsay) Edited November 11, 2017 by sloegin57 1) extra photo. 2) Photo Credits added 3) Additional material and references added 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 Thanks Dennis, those are a bit interesting indeed. 14 sqn unit marks were a white diamond on a black rectangle as can be seen either side of the boom roundels with black rudders, When they later operated Venoms during Operation Firedog, their Venoms had similar unit markings albeit over camoflaged airframes as seen in the photo LSD Modeller has posted in post #5 in the thread. So if the rectangles & rudders are black, what colours the fin bullets (on one aircraft), tank strip ( on the other) & wingtips & anti dazzle ares on both of them. Maybe RED, they could be a match to the roundel & fini fash reds ????:unsure: It gets interestinger & interestinger. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, stevehnz said: Thanks Dennis, those are a bit interesting indeed. 14 sqn unit marks were a white diamond on a black rectangle as can be seen either side of the boom roundels with black rudders, When they later operated Venoms during Operation Firedog, their Venoms had similar unit markings albeit over camoflaged airframes as seen in the photo LSD Modeller has posted in post #5 in the thread. So if the rectangles & rudders are black, what colours the fin bullets (on one aircraft), tank strip ( on the other) & wingtips & anti dazzle ares on both of them. Maybe RED, they could be a match to the roundel & fini fash reds ????:unsure: It gets interestinger & interestinger. Steve. I have added a bit of information to post 3 chaps but it's the Meteor T.7 that intrigues me. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 I'm thinking if we can nail the Vampire markings, they'd likely be a strong pointer to what the Meteor(s) carried too. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Homewood Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 To answer some questions about the colours on the noses and tails of the Cyprus No. 14 Squadron Vampires, check out the awesome newly discovered coloured photos here: https://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/30250/brian-darrahs-fantastic-coloured-slides 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Those photos are wicked!!! 👍👍👍👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 Those are gold @Dave Homewood, thanks for the link, maybe not a Meteor photo but they sure do make sense of that photo from Shorty, maybe a T.7 with a red nose panel, red tail fin bullet, 14 squadron diamonds & a Y somewhere & a serial WH206 or WL400, I favour WL400 as that seemed to serve longer with them. Best I count up how many T.7s I have, might need another. Steve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 09/06/2022 at 09:28, Dave Homewood said: To answer some questions about the colours on the noses and tails of the Cyprus No. 14 Squadron Vampires, check out the awesome newly discovered coloured photos here: https://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/30250/brian-darrahs-fantastic-coloured-slides Gold there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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