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Hello all,

 Looking to ask any T-28 Trojan experts a question. I am currently building the Kitty Hawk 1/32 Trojan, the scheme I intend to do is the classic light gull grey over white. Now I know that all aircraft carrying these colours had all of the upper moveable flying services in white as well. Kitty Hawk suggest otherwise. Saying all the upper parts of the aircraft is in grey. I have at this time only seen one picture of  the top of the aircraft and it shows the flaps etc. being white. Can some one clarify this for me.

 

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Hi,

I am not an expert, but I am a fan of the T-28. Rugged looking type that had a lot of users and an interesting history.

 

I would say that the classic US Navy grey/white scheme would have white ailerons, flaps, elevators and rudder. However a quick look on the internet shows a lot of variation ie grey flap's on the upper surface, but white ailerons. Also some aircraft in the overall USAF grey scheme, but with US Navy markings. Also with so many privately owned 'warbirds' in non original schemes, this quickly becomes a can of worms.

 

As always, your best bet is to find a picture of the aircraft you would like to model, or model the aircraft you find a picture of, that you like.

 

All the best for your project. 

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I’ve seen a lot of different aircraft where this is and isn't true. Im currently working on an FJ-4 fury and the vertical rudder isnt white. I also have several photos of Skyraiders this way as well. So i believe its a case where individual aircraft photo’s to confirm is the option. 

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7 hours ago, Smudge said:

Hi,

I am not an expert, but I am a fan of the T-28. Rugged looking type that had a lot of users and an interesting history.

 

I would say that the classic US Navy grey/white scheme would have white ailerons, flaps, elevators and rudder. However a quick look on the internet shows a lot of variation ie grey flap's on the upper surface, but white ailerons. Also some aircraft in the overall USAF grey scheme, but with US Navy markings. Also with so many privately owned 'warbirds' in non original schemes, this quickly becomes a can of worms.

 

As always, your best bet is to find a picture of the aircraft you would like to model, or model the aircraft you find a picture of, that you like.

 

All the best for your project. 

I agree with Smudge- after  doing a search for photos of aircraft in the grey/white scheme, it looks like white rudders, elevators, and ailerons- upper and lower surface. Flaps appear to be white on the undersurface, but some could be either grey or white on the uppersurface. I am thinking the ailerons would be in white, because if they were overpainted in grey, it would upset the balance of the control surface- flaps, being metal-covered, would not have that problem. Just an uneducated guess, you understand! None of the photos I could find in the Naval Fighters vol. 5 by Steve Ginter of T-28's in the   grey scheme showed the uppersurface of the flaps or ailerons. Definitely the best bet is to find a photo of the one you want to do, but sometimes that's impossible; as they say, never trust a profile without a photo! Maybe TT can shed more light on the subject. Best I could do- sorry!

Mike

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3 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

I’ve seen a lot of different aircraft where this is and isn't true. Im currently working on an FJ-4 fury and the vertical rudder isnt white. I also have several photos of Skyraiders this way as well. So i believe its a case where individual aircraft photo’s to confirm is the option. 

When the changeover to the gray and white scheme was made, the rudders were to be gray. Subsequent flight tests in proximity to atomic bomb blasts suggested that the rudder was also susceptible to being overcooked (which is why the elevators and ailerons were white on top; the control surfaces were of thinner material than the wings and the fixed empennage structure) so it was changed to white, officially in December 1961 but some squadrons and maybe repair and overhaul shops were already doing so. Also see http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2009/12/changing-from-blue-to-graywhite.html

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2 hours ago, 72modeler said:

I agree with Smudge- after  doing a search for photos of aircraft in the grey/white scheme, it looks like white rudders, elevators, and ailerons- upper and lower surface. Flaps appear to be white on the undersurface, but some could be either grey or white on the uppersurface. I am thinking the ailerons would be in white, because if they were overpainted in grey, it would upset the balance of the control surface- flaps, being metal-covered, would not have that problem. Just an uneducated guess, you understand! None of the photos I could find in the Naval Fighters vol. 5 by Steve Ginter of T-28's in the   grey scheme showed the uppersurface of the flaps or ailerons. Definitely the best bet is to find a photo of the one you want to do, but sometimes that's impossible; as they say, never trust a profile without a photo! Maybe TT can shed more light on the subject. Best I could do- sorry!

Mike

For starters, take a look at: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2017/04/kitty-hawk-132-t-28c.html

 

Note that a couple of the KH schemes are of war birds. The VA-122 (tail code NJ) is not. I have not seen a picture of one of their airplanes from above but I think the way to bet is white ailerons and elevators, top and bottom.

 

 

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I agree with you Tailspin Turtle. The photo’s of skyraiders im referring to were taken in the 1957-58 timeframe so that fits in with what i read in your link. 

 

By The way you are one of my go to places for info. Since im leaving a post in the hopes you will read it. Do you have anything on VA-55 Warhorse’s. Particularly pertaining to the FJ-4b Fury era from late 1957-59 ? 

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6 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

I agree with you Tailspin Turtle. The photo’s of skyraiders im referring to were taken in the 1957-58 timeframe so that fits in with what i read in your link. 

 

By The way you are one of my go to places for info. Since im leaving a post in the hopes you will read it. Do you have anything on VA-55 Warhorse’s. Particularly pertaining to the FJ-4b Fury era from late 1957-59 ? 

VA-55's FJ-4Bs were originally assigned to CVG-5, tail code NF, side number 5xx, green flash on the vertical fin and trident on the fuselage, red and white checkerboard stripe near the wing tip. There are gray scale pictures in Ginter's FJ-4 monograph. Also see https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv20-58/035.htm and http://www.wings-aviation.ch/21-USNavy/NorthAmerican-FJ/VA-55-1.png. At some point in 1958, when they were assigned to ATG-4 on Bennington, they got tail code ND and side number 3xx; the only color, probably light blue, appears to be on the tip of the vertical fin. See https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv20-58/064.htm, https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv20-58/274.htm and https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv20-58/278.htm

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13 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

Tailspin Turtle ... Thanks for those. I had the first photo and profile. Those are the scheme i was going for. The other photo’s are new. I had no idea the checks were red ? Good news i won’t have to paint them. I have some in my decal stash. 

Ginter wrote that the checks are red and white. I don't have anything that confirms that and it is definitely non-standard. Undated patches show a green and white checkerboard border as does this one: http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=fta&Product_Code=z99usnsq90055va&Category_Code=06usnsq

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Hi,

 

in most cases indeed white moving surfaces but I have also seen greys  and even greens on some T-28.

Best to search photos of your desired T-28  scheme.

 

Don't know I you already made big progress on your T-28 model, but some ideas and suggestions may be seen at my webpages here:

https://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/t28-32/t28-32-1.htm

 

and for 1/72 kits also check out

 

https://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/fennec/fennec.htm

 

Currently working on a couple of 1/72 Sword kits, details will be published within a few weeks.

 

Happy modelling!

Meindert

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