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Das Abteilung

Personal WW1 Group Build: MkIVs & Whippet

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Apologies, but the published versions of these posts came out slightly differently to how I composed them.  I had carefully arranged the groups of 3 and 2 photos on one line each, but they came out on 2.  There is no "preview" facility on this site.  So some of the comments about left and right pictures don't match.  Right means lower.

 

I'll take Clive's history lesson comment as a compliment - but with apologies to anyone who just wants to see models being built or who knew all the foregoing anyway.   But it was new to me, and discovering that not one single model that came back on my searches had got it right made it worthy of explaining.  This was something almost lost in the mists.

 

Clive and I seem to think alike: we like to explain what we're doing and why we're doing it - not just say "look what I did".

 

 

 

 

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Fuel can rack across the back of the Beute Female.  Wood veneer and scrap etch fret.  German style 20 litre triangular cans are Panzer Art, with a 1 gal oil can from Resicast. 

 

It seems that the British-style 2 gal can was also used, being something of a commercial standard in those times.  A potential use for the redundant Texaco cans in the Panzer Art set: although Texaco products were sold under the BP brand in the UK in the WW1 period, Texaco was active on the Continent.  IIRC they set up shop in Belgium before the war, behind what became German lines.

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And a better view of the string of cans across the back of the Male.  The thread "rope" will be re-strung after painting.  Yes, I did get one of the mud scrapers between the track frames the wrong way round without noticing, but it won't show with the tracks on.

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Finally got round to stowing up the Female.  I took inspiration from this picture, especially the roof-top fuel cans, but didn't set out to copy it. 

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There's a lot you can't see or make out on top and between the horns.  I'd love to know what's stowed between the horns on the left (blocking the vent!), but just can't make it out clearly enough.  Not even on the 6 foot high enlargement of this photo on the entrance wall at Bovington.  It is round: a barrel maybe?  200 litre/50 gallon steel drums weren't around then AFAIK.  A tin bath crossed my mind, but no-one makes an empty one in scale (at least not that I can find) and my schoolboy geometry isn't up to drawing up plans to make one from sheet metal.

 

Most of the small items like tools are still loose for painting and final positioning.  2 gal fuel cans are Panzer Art, 1 gal are Resicast.  Crates are from MR Modellbau (WW1 set), Panzer Art (ration and .303 ammo) and Homefront (open one).  Folded/rolled canvas is from Red Zebra.  Bucket is RB Model.  I raided the bits box for the helmets, packs ponchos and tools.  Some of the tools, like the wood saw and axes, are vintage Historex.  Can't be seen at the moment under the helmets, but there are some Scale Link white metal (1/32) oilers and tools in the open crate.

 

Apart from the still-awaited Lewis barrels I think I'm calling this done, and therefore all of them done - apart from finishing or re-making the fascine for the Male.  Painting time.  I was intending to wrap the exhausts with thread post-painting to represent the asbestos winding.  But I'm beginning to regret that choice and think I should just have wrapped the thread now and painted it.  Decisions and consequences (and sweary words!).

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Looking excellent, I've been looking forward to seeing these with their paint on

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Your wish is my command, Mr Clive..........  Well, primer anyway.  4 Brown Objects.

 

This is Army Painter Leather Brown rattle can primer.  It's the best out-of-the-can primer match for an armour plate colour I've found yet.  Ideally, it would be a little darker.  I tried a Tamiya TS-1 Red Brown rattle can on the Whippet, although this isn't a primer.  This is a little darker but it was putting too much paint on for my liking for a primer coat so I finished off with the Leather Brown.  I will hairspray these before colour-coating, not having had much success with chipping fluids.  These seem to be time-sensitive in their use, whereas hairspray doesn't seem to be.

 

I haven't found any evidence that Mk IVs were primed in red, white or grey, especially looking at wear-through on the Bovington herd.  But these have mostly been repainted at least once.  As paints in those days were all white-lead-based anyway I don't think it would have been necessary.  Pigment and white lead powder was mixed by dry weight with the oil or turpentine base for immediate use.  It didn't keep once mixed and had to be used.  2 coats were applied, by brush: no soft edge camo.  Some colour variation was inevitable.  Same for the German rework line at BKP20. 

 

A quick blow over with rattle can white on the Whippet engine cover and fuel tank as a base for a better coat.  Forgot to hairspray these first .........

 

Tracks are done with the same base colour as they were made from the same type of plate, just 6mm rather than 8-12mm.  Of course the plate overlaps left an unpainted strip I'll have to deal with where visible.  I was planning on finishing the inside faces first and then doing the outside faces once mounted.

 

I have an exam-cum-audition on Tuesday and another the following Tuesday, so I don't imagine there will be any more progress for 10 days or so.  I haven't auditioned for anything since 1989 or been examined on anything since 1990.  Rex sat poised high above the crowd as an expectant hush descended: but he was an Old Dog, and this was a New Trick.......

 

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Wow, the paint really does show up the rivet detail now.

 

Are you auditioning for some kind of musicianship thing? Good luck with it, whatever it is :yes:

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Voluntary "job" thing.  Test of knowledge and presentation before let loose for real.  1989 should have read 1998.  I was a tutor at an MOD training centre 1998-2003 and a signals instructor in the TA 1993-97, so it isn't a complete novelty.

 

The rivet effect is mostly the lighting angle, but WW1 tanks do seem to come up well with pin wash and drybrush.  3,000 rivets in close formation.  All 3 Mk IVs will be different colours: brown, green and multi cam.  Whippets were all green.

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Hi

 

Nice set of builds there. A subject I aim to get into one day.

 

Just a tip if you haven't heard it before. I use to work in the 3D retail industry as a designer. And had a lot of time managing model makers in my various company workshops. What they use to do to get a better coverage for spray cans that was thinner and a better lay of the paint, was to put hot water in a bucket, then drop the can in for 5 to 10 minutest. Warm up the can. They had to get the best finish for clients to review the models.....

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Haven't heard that one before for aerosol paint, although it used to be a common trick for airbrush propellant cans.  Must give it a try.  As a general rule I only use rattle cans for primer on military models. 

 

My concern would be that as well as warming the paint liquid it will increase the gasification rate of the compressed propellant and thus increase the spray pressure and volume.  This may not always be desirable.

 

I recall that someone in the past (Verlinden?) used to advocate warming paint before airbrushing, probably enamels.  But with acrylics that might foster premature drying unless a retarder is used.  Rapid drying in the spray can be a problem even at room temperature.

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Hi

 

What it does, reduces the size of the droplet the team at the model shop told me. Agreed on water based, not advisable to warm the paint. Increase the distance maybe 6", and I've always found it goes on much thinner and lessen's to a bare minimum loss of detail.

 

Simon.

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This is more like Work Not In Progress.  Far too perishing cold out in the garage for fine work with cold hands and for paint spraying!  So I've been reading up on painting and finishing ideas from others, imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.  Alternatively, originality is the art of remembering useful stuff but tactically forgetting where you saw/heard/read it...................!

 

There's a big enlargement of the stowed Female photo - posted a couple of posts further up - in the entrance lobby at Bovington.  Still can't clearly see what's stowed at the back, but I still reckon it's a tin bath.  That enlargement did reveal that the stick-like object propped against the unditching beam is in fact a random Mauser 98 rifle.  Who knew?

 

The extra Aber Lewis gun barrels for the Female have arrived.  I ordered a set of Aber brass MG08 muzzles too for the Beute Female, and some Taurus resin ones which turned out to be for the aircraft version of the gun: no flash hider cones. 

 

Goody box from Warsaw in today's post with them in. So that's what €410 looks like............  Wristwatch not included!  The Zloty exchange rate has nose-dived now too and it's cheaper in €: used to be the other way round by about 10%. 

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That's a nice upgrade parts ! But that's your office, not your bench?

You have an E75 in the works as well? The Trumpeter kit?

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That's the breakfast bar in my kitchen.  Close to the connecting door to the garage.  I could lay it all out there and check it off on my inventory spreadsheet (yes, I'm that sad.......) before stowing it away in the relevant kit or storage boxes out in the garage.

 

Believe it or not, the L/100 88 barrel is an attempt to find an appropriate barrel for the British 3.75 CS howitzer on an A10.  I was going to nip off enough of the muzzle end, ream it out slightly and sacrifice the rest to the scrap box.  But it's actually more tapered towards the muzzle end than it looked in the photos, so probably no good.  The 3.75 barrel is almost completely straight-sided and very thin-walled, with no muzzle collar.  No-one makes one yet.

 

The rest is mostly destined for other stash projects or the "stowage" bits box.  I tend to buy in large splurges from time to time, especially from overseas, rather than in penny packets.  Makes the shipping much more reasonable.  Only a few cents per item on this lot.

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I was at a talk on Tuesday given by Dick Taylor, author of the Warpaint books.  He suggested that many MkIVs were only painted brown, and perhaps the later green, where it showed to the enemy.  Any or all of the roofs, undersides and the rear between the rear horns may have been left in factory grey to save time and paint.  That brings an interesting painting possibility.

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This blog has been dormant for a while.  Don't worry, I'm still alive.  OK: now worry.........  I thought I'd get on with building my Schneider and FT-17 while it was too cold and damp for more painting, and they kinda took over.  See other blog.

 

But my long-awaited house move is now finally going ahead so the modelling stuff will all be going into storage while that goes on to keep it out of the way of ham-fisted removal men, and so I don't have to bother with it immediately and not until I've had time to set up the garage and study again to my liking.  Probably won't be any progress now until June.  But with getting less ££ than I wanted for this house and paying more ££ than I wanted for the new one, a lot of stash stuff may be going on eBay so that I can eat more than once a month!

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