Mancunian airman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Hi all I am soon to commence a 48th scale Mosquito and I noticed in the Airfix kit that there is a 4,000Ib bomb I would consider scratch building a trolley for this but dont have any idea of the size. I suppose the smaller Airfix bomb trolley in their Bomber supply kit (72nd) could be scaled up BUT I dont know if its even the right type . . . . Has anybody got the 'Flightpath ' version in 48th who could give me some dimensions: length, width and size of wheels/tyres please in anticipation Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonM Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Measurements from mine: frame length - 112mm “. Width - 24mm width to outside of wheels - 33mm wheel diameter - 10mm drawbar length - 22mm frame width is slightly varied (probably due to my poor folding skills) but 24mm is taken across the frame just in front of the rear axle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Thank you Gordon Just two other question, is the frame girder type with an open frame other than the supports ? Do you have a photo of yours please ? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, Mancunian airman said: Thank you Gordon Just two other question, is the frame girder type with an open frame other than the supports ? Do you have a photo of yours please ? Ian 11 hours ago, Mancunian airman said: Hi all I am soon to commence a 48th scale Mosquito and I noticed in the Airfix kit that there is a 4,000Ib bomb I would consider scratch building a trolley for this but dont have any idea of the size. I suppose the smaller Airfix bomb trolley in their Bomber supply kit (72nd) could be scaled up BUT I dont know if its even the right type . . . . Has anybody got the 'Flightpath ' version in 48th who could give me some dimensions: length, width and size of wheels/tyres please in anticipation Ian The real Type C bomb trolley (That was the type used for 4000lb cookies ) was 15ft 8" long and 4ft 0" wide. Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Sadly I don’t have a photo (partly because I don’t use Flickr photobucket etc) As modelled by Flightpath the rear section is an X shape open frame, the rest is a solid floor. The dimensions as I’ve made mine is 24mm length by 20mm wide open area, the cross X brace 2mm wide and starting from the solid floor which ends 24mm from the rear axle, so there is an unbraced section approx 3mm long in front of the rear axle. The last support is at the very end of the solid floor, the supports are 23mm apart. Once the Cookie is on, very little is visible apart from the X braces, supports and front tapering section. hope that all makes sense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Selwyn said: The real Type C bomb trolley (That was the type used for 4000lb cookies ) was 15ft 8" long and 4ft 0" wide. Selwyn So according to those dimensions Selwyn (if my maths is correct) and assuming the width is frame not across the wheel the Flightpath C Trolley scales out exactly right width wise, but is around 13mm (or 2’ too long?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, GordonM said: So according to those dimensions Selwyn (if my maths is correct) and assuming the width is frame not across the wheel the Flightpath C Trolley scales out exactly right width wise, but is around 13mm (or 2’ too long?) 15ft 8" long is the trolley overall length, not the length of the frame. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Selwyn said: 15ft 8" long is the trolley overall length, not the length of the frame. Selwyn So by the time the drawbar is included it’s even longer than it should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, GordonM said: So by the time the drawbar is included it’s even longer than it should be? I would have thought so. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossington 2 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Type C trolley has a wheelbase of 14ft 3 1/2ins, a wheel track of 3ft 5ins. Tyres are 18X7ins. Type D trolley has a wheelbase of 14ft 8ins, a wheeltrack of 3ft 5ins. Tyres are 18X 7ins also. Both can carry one 4000lb bomb. I would post up the relevant AP pictures but don't seem to be able to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) you might have already seen these already Ian but just in case @Selwyn and @Ossington maybe able to give some details on the trolleys shown Lancaster Bomber by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr also of note (from the link) there is a Manchester in the background. Lancaster. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr Halifax Mk. II by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr Mosquito mk. B IV by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr I'm putting these up as the colours maybe of use? the DVD Night Bombers is all wartime colur and has much footage on preparing the Lancasters https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nightbombers-DVD-H-I-Cozens/dp/B0001GNJK6 here's a clip of servicing but the rest is like this HTH T Edited October 13, 2017 by Troy Smith tidying up, corrections 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Here are a couple of pics of Mosquitos getting a cookie: edit: here is another one: Jari Edited October 12, 2017 by Finn 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Many thanks for all those replies, needless to say I have a pretty good idea about the thing now. a couple of bomb trolleys should soon make an appearance Just a small point, the Flightpath example appears to have a 'solid' bottom whereas all the photos show this was not the case . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 22 hours ago, GordonM said: Sadly I don’t have a photo (partly because I don’t use Flickr photobucket etc) As modelled by Flightpath the rear section is an X shape open frame, the rest is a solid floor. The dimensions as I’ve made mine is 24mm length by 20mm wide open area, the cross X brace 2mm wide and starting from the solid floor which ends 24mm from the rear axle, so there is an unbraced section approx 3mm long in front of the rear axle. The last support is at the very end of the solid floor, the supports are 23mm apart. Once the Cookie is on, very little is visible apart from the X braces, supports and front tapering section. hope that all makes sense? Your description coupled with the photos makes sense Thank you. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeronut Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Some nice colour variations on those bombs and evidence that they had a lot of rough handling before they got to the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Aeronut said: Some nice colour variations on those bombs and evidence that they had a lot of rough handling before they got to the aircraft. made me look again (I was just looking for trolleys) note the part buff/part black fins here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 more from @Etiennedup invaluable flickr Vickers Wellington. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr Bombing up, May 1942. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr Stirling at Heavy Conversion Unit. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr Stirling Bomber by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Re the Night Bombers film, I was in that Hangar on Sunday. (No 1 Hangar, RAF Hemswell, Lincs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Here is a manual for a bomb trolley like in the above pics: http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/uk/avro/lancaster/alvis-straussler-bomb-loading-trailer.html Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Jari Sadly I couldn't access that without being a member . . . EDIT Was able to view it the 2nd attempt. Very useful stuff, have you got a download for the 'D' type I wonder ?? thanks again Ian Edited October 15, 2017 by Mancunian airman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonM Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 It opened straight away for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 7 hours ago, Finn said: Here is a manual for a bomb trolley like in the above pics: http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/uk/avro/lancaster/alvis-straussler-bomb-loading-trailer.html Jari Known in the RAF as the type B bomb trolley. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Mancunian airman said: Jari Sadly I couldn't access that without being a member . . . EDIT Was able to view it the 2nd attempt. Very useful stuff, have you got a download for the 'D' type I wonder ?? thanks again Ian I just happened across that one, haven't seen any others. Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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