hendie Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Pete in Lincs said: I believe the straps would be buckled up? I don't ever remember buckling up the belts on AF/BF's - I'm sure I would have remembered that duty. I think (i.e. am guessing) we left them pulled forward as it was quicker for the Gurkha's or Dog Company to onboard and get strapped in. I could well be completely wrong as it was nearly 40 years ago after all 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Less complicated for them as well. 😄 You're probably right, it was a long time ago and lots of aircraft types for me too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 It's always reassuring to see that no matter what manly engineering subjects we build the discussion inevitably turns at some point to the question of soft furnishings. I can think of no adequate praise for your work on those blue marvels hendie. To do one seat well is a tricky enough proposition but to maintain such a high standard across a whole production line's worth is a source of amazement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Most excellent work on the seats & straps hendie, stunning result, the whole of that interior is just brilliant! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Absolutely bloomin’ marvellous Hendie, those seats and belts are works of art 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just catching up on this one - love what you did with the seats. Absolutely brilliant! Cheers, Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 Thanks again folks. The seatery continues but first, some li'l Wessi update. Handles, for the tail climbing up of. There's two of them mounted on the tail and italeri provide scale sized scaffolding handles - they're not going on this little whirlygig thingy. Out with the carbide drills again, actually the last of them so I must order again soon. The aluminum tape was there as a guide to aid me getting the same height on port and starboard sides... it worked, mostly. Both handles now in place. The lower handle is a bit too close to the stabilizer but there wasn't much room left between the stabilizer and the mesh - italeri made their 'opening' too large. C'est la vie. Still one more handle to go there - juts forward of the break. I also added the small fillet strip just above the stabilizer from aluminum tape. Now, an interesting feature of the italeri kit is that it is impossible to fit the electrical cover blow the cockpit windows due to this monstrosity of a step. If you fit the cover forward of the step it protrudes way too far forward. If you fit it under the step, you can't fit the oleo's. Nice one italeri. I was sure I had taken a photo to illustrate the fact but the camera must have been hungry and swallowed it whole. Step removed and first cover fitted. I like to use tape when gluing fine detail as it prevents glue getting everywhere due to my general cludginess. Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent Tamiya extra thin getting everywhere as it wicks under the tape! Not a big deal but something to beware of in future. A little bit of micro-meshing will take care of that. I also spotted while fitting the electrical cover that italeri have got the cooling vent and louvers out of position. Both are too far forward on that access panel. I did toy briefly with the idea of filling the hole and redoing it, but we're out-of-the-box warts'n'all on this build... remember! Then I found another 'doh! moment. We have the upper locating hole for mounting the oleo's, but where does the bottom mounting point go? I guess I should have read the instructions and drilled that as per italeri's guidance earlier in the build. That had me flummoxed for a few minutes until I remembered that this is a kit bash and I have another fuselage lying over on the bench. Ah... that makes it a lot easier now doesn't it? Last up on li'l Wessi - the gaping orifice up front. I looked at it for a while then thought - what happens if I just sand the sides? Well, this apparently. (left sanded, right original italeri) It looks like I can reduce the width and general grouper like gaping mouth look by removing some plastic from the sides - at least that's the current intention. We'll see where that ends up in a few posts. Now onto big Wessi. More seatery. This time the starboard side seating - as before, glue the seating into the floor, and hey presto, more photo's seem to have been digested by the ravenous olympus.... I was sure I had taken a photo of this part but it ain't anywhere to be found. The problem to overcome was to have the starboard upper rail (the bit the seat webbings get clipped onto) nice and secure. Drilling a hole through the bulkhead lets you get the rod in position but doesn't hold it very securely. My workaround for this was to glue some tubing on the reverse face of the bulkhead which can just be seen on the back side here. This provides a greater grip on the rod and positions it nicely for the work ahead. So, all seats fitted, the small webbing clips represented by a dash of interior green and we're good to go. After all those months of work, this is about as much as can be seen from the outside. Worth every blood sweating minute of effort wasn't it? and with that I think I am almost ready to button this thing up.. and then try to figure out what on earth I am doing with the rest of it. (Still don't like Fly's main rotor gearbox - it just doesn't look right to me) joi gin pengyou 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Nice seating. I have to say wine bottle foil is my go to when doing seat belts - I don’t want to go back to smoking! Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, hendie said: After all those months of work, this is about as much as can be seen from the outside. Worth every blood sweating minute of effort wasn't it? Yes Just yes I know you intended the little beggar to be basically OOB but are you intending fixing the cabin side steps? The abortive efforts that Itadafties put on are ridiculous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, perdu said: I know you intended the little beggar to be basically OOB but are you intending fixing the cabin side steps? I haven't even looked at them yet Bill. From memory on the 1/48 build they were far too long - is that the same issue with the seventy-tooeth version also? Or did they concoct some other evil and dastardly deviation from the blatantly-obvious-staring-them-right-in-the-face-if-you-only-could-be-bothered-to-open-your-eyes-truth? Feel free to enlighten me Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Marvellous Hendie, as usual 1 hour ago, hendie said: joi gin pengyou As Bob Newhart would say, "Same to you fella!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 As others have said stunning workmanship on both Wessex, your attention to the smallest detail is outstanding Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 'blatantly obvious staring you in the face' the steps are way out of alignment I would hate climbing up into that without belays, ropes and chocks It looks like one of those crazy climbing wall efforts You can see it if you compare your pictures of the starboard sides And once seen you will see it on every 1/72th scale Walter Italeri ever put out Horrid, stupid and obvious contempt for the modeller who simply wants to make a decent Wessex The black oddly shaped step surround we know and love just cannot properly accomodsate the mis-aligned steps either Fun baby, fun 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) ah.... I sees it now Bill. (I thought you were talking about the cabin step, not the cockpit entrance steps) Ta muchly. More stuff to fix (and would have been easier had I spotted it before assembling the nose area) Edited June 5, 2018 by hendie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Oh yes, the chasm at the nose Your modificated side looks way better, if you can work that in the big holed-ness will be minimised and look good enough for a OOB effort The 4+ drawing shows how big the hole SHOULD be but once you've removed the gurt shovel shaped opening it will be way better Biggy however, looks brilliant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 This addictive thread continues to addict addictively. Really enjoying each little detail you draw forth for examination and correction in this tour of the airframe hendie. I corrected the following so that you can copy and paste it as a keyboard macro: 16 hours ago, hendie said: I also spotted while fitting the [insert item x] that [insert manufacturer] have got the [insert item y] and [insert item z] out of [position/orientation/scale - delete as appropriate]. Nice tip about using tape to maintain the level when drilling both sides of the tail. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 Greetings folks and come on in to the Little & Large show. aka Wessi & Wessi Lets start off todays episode with Wessi Thanks to Bill throwing wanton and totally unnecessary comments around, I was forced into some rework on the li'l one today. After Bill pointed it out, I just couldn't ignore it. Thankfully, Tony had provided the associated narrative which saved me some typing... On 6/5/2018 at 11:11 AM, TheBaron said: I also spotted while fitting the anything and everything that Italeri have got the whole bloody shebang and definitely the access steps out of [position YES /orientation JUST ABOUT/scale YES - delete as appropriate]. {no deletion - they were all correct!} You can see here that the bottom step needs moved forward - They also have both steps the same size which is wrong. Step 1: Mark your positions Step 2: Get set...go! Some chiseling action was required - taking care not to skite along the surface with a sharp pointy object (okay, only once but I fixed it!), and trying not to make a doorway into the cabin at the same time. The hole is a little messy at this time but should clean up okay later. I also cut a small section of kit plastic to fill in the now unwanted step hole Step 3: Fill'er up The scrap plastic was sanded down roughly and the edges filled with whatever lotion, potion or concrete mix came to hand Step 4: Sand back and micro-mesh. Seems to be okay but only a smattering of primer will tell the truth. - It will do for now. (other side also done but use your imagination...) The new step recess looks a bit untidy still, but it's filled with all sorts of sanding remains. I'll deal with it when the time comes to fit the actual steps. and Li'l Wessi's playtime is over for today. Now onto Wessi... and hopefully something slightly more interesting. Take a gander at this bit... yes, it's the cabin entrance. Notice anything? No, not the holes I've drilled for the loadies hand grab... the bit that isn't there! Yup, you're correct... the pillar recessy thingy isn't there is it? I guess we need to make one then. In the smaller scales it would be impossible to replicate this (for me anyway..) but at 1:32, it's kind of begging to be added. I trialed several methods, all of which failed - from small strips, to cutting and bending a brass "C" channel - which almost worked, but couldn't deform enough to account for the fuselage curvature. Therefore, we ended up with some traditional 'the de'il tak the hindmost' butchery. Using a small chisel I gouged out a rough estimation of the channel recess. Gawd it looks ugly doesn't it? Once deep enough and wide enough I used the end of a file back and forth in the slot to even things out a bit Then cut a small strip to slot in the ehrrrr slot as best I could... Which in turn was cut into some small sections to represent the brackets located in said channel. I think there's a couple of "O" rings mounted in there somewhere - it's difficult to find good shots of this particular area Those 'brackets' will get sanded flush and some other detail added later That was followed by sticking bits of brass rod into the earlier drilled holes to make the grab handles. Looking at this, Fly did not really do a good job of those rounded corners did they? Now we are coming to a stage of indecision.... do I put this thing together? Or not? What have I not done that needs doing before closing up the fuselage? While I was pondering over that, I started putting in some locating tabs to aid with the assembly later... and desperately need to tidy up that bench. Nope, not glued... just dry fitted I know I still have the tail wheel support plate to add, along with the tail fold plate I made some time ago, but I think I can add them once the fuselage is together without too much difficulty. Also, the instrument panel is still to go in - again, I think I need the fuselage together to make sure that is centered and generally aligned properly. Am I missing anything major before this is closed up? I'm still undecided as to the final form this is going to take. I'm slightly reticent about just repeating my 1:48 build here, but at 1:32, it's just crying out for detail such as the gearbox and engines to be added. Answers on a postcard please.... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Looking good, would be a show stopper with everything opened up showing all your superb detail work. Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I, being a founder member of the awkward squad, would rather see this which is by far my favourite ever model yet seen of my very favouritest helicopter ever ever, finished off at its present state so it presents 'fabulous Wessex' as is Then we can get the Pullman back on track too I can't see anyone ever beating this but if you go digging in deep inside the working gubbinses too there is a risk of the whole hiding the helicopter outside That was a 'thing' you managed magnificently to avoid with the 48th scale one and I just do not see much point doing that again but bigger Just my, certain to be lone, opinion 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azgaron Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Excellent work! Progressing very nicely! Håkan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I'd echo the Rev. Bill's sagacious sermon hendie - I'm unlikely to see a better rendition of Wessex glory than this. Fwiw regarding the 1/48 to1/32 question that you're currently pondering, my own instinct would be to look at what can be done differently in one scale compared to the other and to see if this throws up specific features which might be more suitable to make prominent on this occasion. I suppose the word I'm struggling to find is 'emphasis', in terms of what are you seeking to emphasize in this particular rendition of the aircraft... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 6/5/2018 at 11:59 AM, perdu said: The black oddly shaped step surround we know and love Lazy tip of the day..build this one: (Unfortunately the port side one was still there) 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I'm with them above. Carry on as is and don't go too mad on it. It's looking magnificent inside, time for the outside to get the treatment. Do you need to align the 'top hat' sections that come out from under the beetleback at this point rather than later? Maybe do a mockup/trial of the belly gubbins before the outside gets too fiddly? I too would like to see more of the Pullman. But I'm more than happy to look at Wessi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Personally I would just make the bit of the gearbox that shows a bit more detailed and then leave the rest all buttoned up. One can hardly call a Wessex smooth but I think that opening it up (other than door and cockpit windows) would detract from the smoothness if you see what I mean? Regardless ,this will be another superb example of 'Walter' 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 okay, now you all got me thinking (not good on the best of days). I've gone to all the trouble of making the tail fold gubbins and I'd like to show that, so.... blades and tail folded? Or maybe one trans deck door open ? What would you lot (including Bill!) suggest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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