71chally Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Great result with the mesh. Can you knock up another hundred or so! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abat Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, HL-10 said: Once that was done and set, the mesh was heated up to anneal it and make it pliable so it could be shaped over the former. Hi Angelo, this is new to me. How do you go about annealing the etch? Is it just heating it up? If so how hot, how long? I tried googling anneal brass but all I got was stuff about cartridges. Must say this is a fascinating build with great craftsmanship. I'm enjoying seeing your techniques and will no doubt use some in my builds. Thanks, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abat Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, 71chally said: Great result with the mesh. Can you knock up another hundred or so! Your going to build a 100 1/32 Fly Wessexes? Popcorn please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, abat said: Your going to build a 100 1/32 Fly Wessexes? Popcorn please. I'm just assuming I'm not the only here that can't anneal a bit of sieve! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 12 hours ago, abat said: Hi Angelo, this is new to me. How do you go about annealing the etch? Is it just heating it up? If so how hot, how long? I tried googling anneal brass but all I got was stuff about cartridges. A lot depends on what the etch is made of. With Brass you need to be a bit more careful than with steel as finer bits can melt (ask me how I know!!!) I used to have a mini blow torch which was ok for the hefty pieces, but for small stuff I just use an ordinary cigarette lighter. I apply heat gently, until the metal changes colour, not necessarily glowing red hot, but just until you can see it start to dull. With the mesh I used for the intake, as it was woven steel wire, I held it over the cooker (don't tell the wife!) until it did glow red. Just be careful to let it cool before handling (again, ask me how I know!!!) Hope this helps? With the mesh completed and fitted, I used solder for the internal frame work and self adhesive aluminium tape for the frame along its circumference, I was ready to give the model an undercoat of Humbrol matt black: once this had dried, I started to apply the camouflage using Xtracolor enamels: Once the paint has dried, it will be decaling and weathering time! Thank you all very much for all the comments, advice, compliments and support, it is all very welcome & greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking, Angelo. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 4 hours ago, HL-10 said: Even under a coat of black primer you can see how good that home-baked FOD mesh looks; great stuff. If this were a Mk.3, I'd snap one up in an instant! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abat Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Thanks Angelo, excellent advice. I'll give annealing a go next time I'm trying to bludgeon some unrepentant etch around difficult surfaces. As one who only recently rested his hand on a hot stove top, I too understand about burns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wafu Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 On 10 September 2017 at 1:37 PM, hendie said: Is it just me but doesn't the oleo and the swing arm look just a bit on the thin side ? It's been bugging me so much, I'm going to look into this to ensure my Wessex has the right diameter oleo and radius arm. With regards to the intake, two options to consider. Firstly to scratch build the intake Assy with the engine elephant feet. Secondly the intake grille needs to be scratch built then approach one of these 3D printer chaps and see if it can be replicated in this medium? Ive lost the plot a bit with the build so please pardon me, however did the grey green crab cabs have the jammer mod's fitted? I was under the impression this mod came later in the 90's. Can we have your supplier of the mesh, look Bob-on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Wafu said: however did the grey green crab cabs have the jammer mod's fitted? Yes. (found this photo which saved me going through my log books for dates!) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Looking mightily fine there Angelo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Wafu said: Can we have your supplier of the mesh, look Bob-on. I was given the mesh by another member here, but I have found that a £1 tea strainer/sieve from Morrisons has the exact same mesh! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarlucan Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 The Jammers arrived with the advent of the Libyan arms shipments so about 1987 onwards. Be aware that they were a BAE design and not the ALQ-144 that the Pumas used. The AAR-47 (UV not IR but it's all on Wikipedia these days) sensors arrived just about the time that the Grey/Green/Black switched to two tone Green camo in about 1989 but anyone who tries to tell you there was a definite switch over time is bluffing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Wafu said: Can we have your supplier of the mesh, look Bob-on. Cooked a burger for lunch today and noticed that the round metal splatter shield I was using had a nice, fine mesh/grid that might suit. in fact, probably quite useful for a lot of modelling applications. Cheers, Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 The good lady, may she be blessed! , does wonder sometimes when I hang around the kitchen section of various shops. I do like to cook, but 9 times out of 10 it's because I'm looking for stuff suitable for modelling! I used a sieve to manufacture the engine screens on my 1/16th King Tiger! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, HL-10 said: I used a sieve to manufacture Should I mention whisky (lead foil from cap) and women's tights/stockings? Very resourceful people us modellers. Your Wessex is looking good there Angelo richard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, HL-10 said: ...but I have found that a £1 tea strainer/sieve from Morrisons has the exact same mesh! What did I say a few posts back! It's also useful for making the indents in bottle top foil for helicopter sound proofing. Great info on anealling, still above my capabilities though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wafu Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Scimitar said: Yes. (found this photo which saved me going through my log books for dates!) Yep, I see the hard mounted jammer, but what about the nose and tail boom sensors??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 24 minutes ago, Wafu said: but what about the nose and tail boom sensors??? Guess who is off to specsavers ? I didn't notice them on the model. Off to look for that info now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wafu Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 34 minutes ago, Scimitar said: Guess who is off to specsavers ? I didn't notice them on the model. Off to look for that info now. Don't worry Scim, I'm right with you. I think Hendie has good advice, stick to a single subject then research it tirelessly. I spent 10 years working on RAF Wessex at Shawbury, saw the Wessex close service in the RAF. 72, 60 and 2fts all had different mod's fitted, different colour schemes and different roles within the RAF. On the odd occasion a Rescue cab would pop-in and I would photograph it. Again, loads of differences from the troop support role. Sorry to digress from this great Wessex build, Appoligies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I honestly do not think the nose and tail sensors were concurrent with the Grey/Green/Black scheme, but never having worked on a Wessex I cannot say with absolute certainty. I know I had to put the mounts (but not the sensors) on my model of XR525 because she has the mounts on her now in Cosford in her Lichen Green/Nato Dark Green scheme In all these years of hero worshipping Walter I haven't ever noticed the sensors with the earlier scheme I admit the Wessie is my most coveted ride that never happened Definitely time to select an airframe for modelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarlucan Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 That photo shows how an in theatre operational aircraft would be circa 1988. IR jammer, cockpit armour and a single secure comms nose aerial. It would also have had a GPMG mount in the door. The winch would have been fitted if the aircraft was on SAR standby but otherwise it was just a faff the engineers didn't need. The Nitesun was fitted and removed as needed on a daily basis and was done by the crew if away from Aldergrove. As I said earlier, although I can't be sure, there are sound operational reasons to link the fitting of the MAWS sensors with the arrival of the two tone green scheme. It was then common for the fitting boxes to be present but just blanking plates in place simply because early on, there weren't enough sensor heads to equip each cab. Also, they were a bit useless and nobody much rellied on it anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 I have got quite a bit done overnight. Camouflage completed, decals on and weathering started. The decals are a mixture of spares box, RAF roundel, Royal Air Force title, and letter A, and the kit's for the rest. The kit's decals are well printed, with loads of stencil data. The layout of the sheet make finding some stencils hard as the sheet hasn't been laid out so the decals are in numerical order. Also, there are a lot of unused decals present. Anyway, here are some more photos: Oil wash of Raw Umber applied to whole airframe following decal application, Oil wash removed! The black underside had some panel lightening with Panzer grey The model has had a matt coat applied and the final bits of detailing is being added: The exhausts are the kit's parts. They needed careful cleaning up and some thinning on the inside. I painted them with Alclad flat aluminium then used Tamiya clear blue, yellow, and smoke to give them a heat stained effect. Thanks for looking, Angelo 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Angelo she looks very good I'd be happy if I could finish a Wessex as nicely as that and you were right using that mesh Under the paint it looks RIGHT Well done 👌 Edited September 17, 2017 by perdu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wafu Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Nice job Angelo, You've captured the tired look of the Wessex in service. In 1/32 she's some beast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneheadff Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Great looking Wessex!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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