Homebee Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Aviation Art (or another new brand) Minibase Hobby Corp. should release a new tool 1/48th Sukhoi Su-33 "Flanker-D" kit. The developpers team is reported to be the same having designed the Su-33 kit project purchased and produced by Kinetic. They are now fixing several details and errors and expect/hope to produce their own new kit from the "Flanker-D". The devil is in the details... To be followed. Hence my question: do we really need another Su-33/J-15 kit after the Kinetic efforts (Su-33 J-15) and Trumpeter soon to release models (link)? Source: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/300334-gwh-su-33-148/&do=findComment&comment=2876381 Quote V1.0 v2.0 This is the final design v2.0 and the original design v1.0 is sold by the kinetic contrast, due to the new mold, We fixed the original design can not be corrected error because of our all new tools: all rivets re-decorate, correct fuselage surface, correction of vertical tail section, weapons, racks, landing gear, and so on all the details of the model more accurate. And improve the shrinkage of parts, will later release more relevant information. Coming soon as Aivation Art, please pay attention. V.P. Edited December 24, 2022 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 do we need one? good question! will we (anyone) buy one who already has at least 1 Kinetic offering? Did anyone not only vaguely interested in the Su-33 not buy one yet? Did somebody really expect or wait for en even better kit? 1/32 and Tan Models is certainly another story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkp Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 20 hours ago, exdraken said: do we need one? good question! will we (anyone) buy one who already has at least 1 Kinetic offering? Did anyone not only vaguely interested in the Su-33 not buy one yet? Did somebody really expect or wait for en even better kit? 1/32 and Tan Models is certainly another story! Far too late to the party, I'd have thought. I really struggle to understand their business model - sell your design/mould/whatever to another manufacturer and then release an 'upgraded' version yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, hopkp said: Far too late to the party, I'd have thought. I really struggle to understand their business model - sell your design/mould/whatever to another manufacturer and then release an 'upgraded' version yourself? especially as the high invest of the tooling still has to be recoverd... at least wait a bit longer in order to let a new customer base be born first or release another Flanker version first that is not covered yet in such a high standard! whatever, I will let me surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, hopkp said: Far too late to the party, I'd have thought. I really struggle to understand their business model - sell your design/mould/whatever to another manufacturer and then release an 'upgraded' version yourself? Did they not start the party?! Sounds like they have just made corrections to the original design as boxed by Kinetic and going to potentially market it through a different company. Muzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Source: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/300334-aviation-art-su-33-148/&do=findComment&comment=2877341 Quote Dear Chris The original design was not formally listed because of the personal reasons for previous project supervision (Has resigned), here were resulting in a large number of unacceptable and can not be corrected bugs and that is not the design and mold owner's intention. More CAD for you Best regards Ran V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 maybe we can get updates for the "highly successful and lenghty" Syrian campaign last year? (i.e. 500kg bombs and adequate fuselage/tunnel pylons? any other weapons that were used there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenH Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Sounds like these guys are trying to turn a large fortune into a small one. A new version with repositioned rivets and tail section? I really dont see many people buying another SU-33 over the Kinetic ones in there stash because they are converned the section of the tail is the wrong NACA aerofoil. Anyone who was waiting for a great SU-33 has already bought Kinetic's so the maket is very limited to people who become new fans of the naval Flanker. Good luck to them but i wouldnt be investing in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmulder Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I agree but still the kinetic box can be developed. In my opinion a single box can easily cover J-15 with minimal additions. Kinetic offering does not have enough missiles for a fully loaded aircraft. Additional a2g weapons can be added. A better instructions can be drawn. All little stuff and not that much of a worthy endeavor but I will buy more Su-33/J-15s. If it is the same price with Kinetic I will consider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkbits Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Very interesting. I have the Kinetic kit and I've seen only one of them built. The guy apparently had a horrible time with the instructions and fit (so pretty much everything?). If this "re-release" fixes those problems, I like the Su-33 enough that I'd buy it (again?). Edited August 29, 2017 by Porkbits grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmulder Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Porkbits said: Very interesting. I have the Kinetic kit and I've seen only one of them built. The guy apparently had a horrible time with the instructions and fit (so pretty much everything?). If this "re-release" fixes those problems, I like the Su-33 enough that I'd buy it (again?). For me, the fit was very good with one exception the nose cone. Nose cone had a significant step where it attached to the lower fusalage. So I would very much disagree that the fit is horrible. Far from it. Some parts click to each other. Flaps, one the most prone areas for fit problems, go together perfectly. Apart from the nose cone I did not use any putty. As I wrote earlier, instructions are bad but at the end I had nothing I could not have figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 About to start mine so I'll soon find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkbits Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 57 minutes ago, foxmulder said: For me, the fit was very good with one exception the nose cone. Nose cone had a significant step where it attached to the lower fusalage. So I would very much disagree that the fit is horrible. Far from it. Some parts click to each other. Flaps, one the most prone areas for fit problems, go together perfectly. Apart from the nose cone I did not use any putty. As I wrote earlier, instructions are bad but at the end I had nothing I could not have figured out. Wow....well, that's good to know! I'm not sure why this guy had so many problems. Maybe I'm misremembering his post. In any event, guess I won't have to shelve or trash the kit. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) More renders. Sources: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/300334-aviation-art-su-33-148/&do=findComment&comment=2879515 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/300334-aviation-art-su-33-148/&do=findComment&comment=2879516 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/300334-aviation-art-su-33-148/&do=findComment&comment=2879646 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/300334-aviation-art-su-33-148/&do=findComment&comment=2879647 Quote Original designs v2.0 CAD Quote Since some of the accidents resulted in the tools being produced without testing, the blades in the engine vents of the kinetic tool were indeed missing, although there was this detail at design time. Of course, the new design will be better, but some of the details that cannot be implemented may not be reflected in the final product. Original designs new Quote The original desigin was very badly, and whole cockpit was wrong.But we fix it at completed redesigin. It is expected that the remaining time will be less then two weeks. The following is a comparison of old and new CAD, in addition the front landing gear bay is similar to the cockpit. V.P. Edited March 18, 2021 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin @ AMK Hobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Correct. Same team as original but with some crucial additions. I had the pleasure to meet the team a couple of months ago and they have some very interesting projects coming up under a brand new name. Watch this space - I am bound to secrecy but you will hear more about this team very soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) On 28/08/2017 at 11:24 PM, DarrenH said: I really dont see many people buying another SU-33 over the Kinetic ones in there stash because they are converned the section of the tail is the wrong NACA aerofoil. Anyone who was waiting for a great SU-33 has already bought Kinetic's so the maket is very limited to people who become new fans of the naval Flanker. Good luck to them but i wouldnt be investing in it. Perhaps it'd be a very good idea if the blokes in Aviation Art would sell separate parts comprising all of the new modifications in the version 2.0 to those modellers who bought the Kinetic kit? I'd surely buy them. Edited September 17, 2017 by Uncle Uncool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/18/2017 at 7:20 AM, Uncle Uncool said: Perhaps it'd be a very good idea if the blokes in Aviation Art would sell separate parts comprising all of the new modifications in the version 2.0 to those modellers who bought the Kinetic kit? I'd surely buy them. +1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 So, the original cockpit tub is super shallow and the seat is pretty weirdly shaped and sits way too high. I wish you guys announced a long time ago that a 2.0 kit will be released eventually so I could have skipped the Kinetic offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat911 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 On 18/09/2017 at 5:20 AM, Uncle Uncool said: Perhaps it'd be a very good idea if the blokes in Aviation Art would sell separate parts comprising all of the new modifications in the version 2.0 to those modellers who bought the Kinetic kit? I'd surely buy them. I'm not sure that would work seeing as the new kit incorporates geometrical changes meaning that the revised parts may not fit the Kinetic kit properly. An example would be cockpit tub and its clearance with the nose gear bay. Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) On 9/20/2017 at 12:32 AM, madcat911 said: I'm not sure that would work seeing as the new kit incorporates geometrical changes meaning that the revised parts may not fit the Kinetic kit properly. An example would be cockpit tub and its clearance with the nose gear bay. Same thought here, Mark, but with both the head-on pictures provided above, and toying with the two different layers on Photoshop, it quite seems as though only the upper fuselage half had been affected by the changes incorporated on the new version, which would prompt the overriding enquire on my part to the manufacturer at Aviation Art regarding the subject. Besides, if you check the way how the whole cockpit floor lays on that cradle-like base on the Kinetic kit's lower fuselage half, one can but wonder why in hell they didn't make the correct depth on the original cockpit floor in the original version...? There's a huge lot of space left below the cradle, I don't even know what it is for. Edited September 26, 2017 by Uncle Uncool I've got bananas for fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Currently, I'm collecting signatures and organising rallies in Hong Kong, China, Deutschland and Russia in order so that Aviation Art agree to sell those new modified parts separately to the modellers who purchased the Kinetic kit. The response is massive! Stay tuned for the particulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraganChe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 10/9/2017 at 2:52 PM, Uncle Uncool said: Currently, I'm collecting signatures and organising rallies in Hong Kong, China, Deutschland and Russia in order so that Aviation Art agree to sell those new modified parts separately to the modellers who purchased the Kinetic kit. The response is massive! Stay tuned for the particulars. All I can say about this text above is next: We are waiting probably the best model kit of aircraft in 1/48 scale ever! And the reason of that kind of speaking for realisation a petition that Aviation Art agree to sell those new modified parts separately to the modellers who purchased the Kinetic kit is complete foolishness, because...Aviation Art Su-33 doesn't have any relation with previously buyed model kits under label of Kinetic. When you have buyed model kit of Kinetic, you didn't buyed model kit of Aviation Art. So, the question is: Why would someone owe something to someone if those two individuals didn't even have any of connections and money transfers. Why to sign the petition which is even total nonsense, Aviation art's is totally new model kit, under their label, and totally new parts, without any connection with Kinetic. Maybe someone is trying to get new model kit for free...I don't know...But all I want to say that this is the greatest nonsense that I have ever seen in my entire life. Those acts of desperate people that already have incorrect model kit is only things that make chaos and confusion in this greatest and best hobby for us in the world. Chaos make chaos...People let's just wait new model kit...how many 109's are on the market, all are similar...and no one ever asked other producers to send them parts of other, other producer for his model kit...We get new model kits all the time..let's make good welcoming for this one also...new model kit! All the best, Dragan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: We are waiting probably the best model kit of aircraft in 1/48 scale ever! Of course... had I been given a dime everytime I've read someone saying that a future kit releasement was going to be "The Mother Of All Kits," I guess I could have by now gotten me a new Tamiya Tomcat! Sure the Aviation Art kit is going to be a nice kit - perhaps better than the Kinetic one, but saying that it's going to be the best 1/48 kit ever? Based on what? Your judgment? Your expectations? 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: Why would someone owe something to someone Some reading comprehension: Never have I said Aviation Art owed me anything; just made a statement to the fact that "It'd be awesome if we could get (where get means purchase, and not to be handed over for free), separate samples of those parts improved in the Aviation Art version." Read once again, please. 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: Why to sign the petition which is even total nonsense You might as well ask that to the nearly 39.700 modellers who already signed the petition in Hong Kong; the 58.494 who signed in Shanghai; 17.479 in Düsseldorf and 25.733 in Moscow? Oh, and FYI; just because you deem something to be nonsense it doesn't mean it's nonsense to everybody else, y'know. 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: Aviation art's is totally new model kit, under their label, and totally new parts That's completely wrong. The new parts involved are just less than the 15% of the kit that was released by Kinetic. 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: Maybe someone is trying to get new model kit for free...I don't know...But all I want to say that this is the greatest nonsense that I have ever seen in my entire life. Ah, the scheme... As if anyone would ever be able to build a whole new kit out of just an upper and lower fuselage halves... But all I want to say here is that perhaps you're not thinking very well. 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: Those acts of desperate people that already have incorrect model kit is only things that make chaos and confusion in this greatest and best hobby for us in the world Wow... thank God we were just talking about model kits and not about world domination, for instance! So, am I making chaos and confusion because I'm desperate about having an inaccurate kit? *turns round to look at the stash* Well, I've counted over 45 kits which are inaccurate before I got bored. So how come the modelling world has not ended already? 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: Chaos make chaos... Now THAT's wisdom! Where do you get it? I guess your logic is undeniable. 6 hours ago, DraganChe said: how many 109's are on the market, all are similar...and no one ever asked other producers to send them parts of other, other producer for his model kit... Sure, sure... Could you tell me how many -109 kits that you knew of which development phase were shared by two different manufacturers? You realise now that this statement was as dim-witted as the rest of your above spiel? Maybe I should organise to collect signatures in Serbia, but then I'd be worried that you could be there. Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraganChe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Your feelings are hurt, and i am afraid that your...skills, well...will not get you free kit...or anymore auditorium, as a psychiatrist, I must say that there is much, much more behind that scene what you are trying... to make attention to your self...or something much worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraganChe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 We all know that there is no one who have signed that petition...you need help man...it still is not to late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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