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The beautiful work you did on your dampers made me redo mines entirely.

They will not be as nice as yours but at least more realistic than before even in plastic.  

cheers to you

Sam

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46 minutes ago, sharknose156 said:

The beautiful work you did on your dampers made me redo mines entirely.

This is such a difference in attitude and self-reflection to some modelling forums... it seems on Britmodeller (at least the vehicles section, but probably also elsewhere on the forum) even highly talented modellers such as Sam tend to want to absorb, learn and try to get better.

 

It seems on some other forums I only read 'Yes but...' or 'Good advice, for another build' or similar dismissals.... whereas the quality level always leaves to be desired. 

 

Sorry, had to get this off my chest. Now that I did I'm a happier man :)

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  • harveyb258 changed the title to Fiat 806 full-scratchbuild 1;12

Harvey,

 

Haven't logged in for a while but follow this stream avidly.

 

As  a rule I try not to just post a "what they said" or "me to" post but...

 

The casual way you solve problems I would look at and walk away from, using the hardest materials and simplest methods, with reference material which we all know is skimpy to say the least is just amazing. Love it.

 

Regards

 

Nick

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  • harveyb258 changed the title to Fiat 806 full-scratchbuild 1:12

Many thanks, lads! I'm so pleased that you continue to enjoy my progress.

4 hours ago, NickD said:

The casual way you solve problems I would look at and walk away from, using the hardest materials and simplest methods, with reference material which we all know is skimpy to say the least is just amazing. Love it.

I suppose a life-long career as a carpenter, especially the fitting part, on-site, has greatly improved my problem-solving skills. When I started my apprenticeship, many moons ago, there were very few, if any, power tools available (except the machine-shop, obviously); so everything was done by hand. The simplest methods are most often the best choice....why complicate things if you don't have to???

 

As for using the hardest materials...this is going to be an extremely heavy car when complete. I like to have a realistic weight in my models:mental: so I need the weight bearing structures nice and strong. I wouldn't want her to suffer suspension failure on the maiden shakedown drive!:whistle:

 

Cheers, H

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Dear Harvey , carpenter is one of my favorite professions . My father became a carpenter before WW 2 and  after the war as a  static calculations engineer  this 

training was the foundation  for his career as a specialist for wooden vintage  bell-cages  . I was working as carpenter assistant  as well between the terms .

This profession is a very good precondition for becoming a good modeller !

Many greetings !   Hannes

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Harvey, Hannes,

 

As you guys have probably noticed, I am an engineer who uses computers to define, implement and test products. I never get my hands dirty at all. When I do? Well precision sometimes leaves a bit to be desired (you should see some of the holes I've drilled in walls!). As a result, I tend to be "The answer is a computer now what is the question?"

 

As a result things are usually a little overcomplicated.

 

Watching professionals reminds me what can be done with two nails and a bit of wood. It has inspired me many times.

 

Oh and wood is so much better a material than plastic.


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Nick

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Good morning to all!

 

A bit more progress to share with you:

 

I flipped the car over in its jig and begun work on the under-engine cross bracing. To make these, I used: ,

1,2mm brass tube

0,5mm brass that was used for leaf-springs

M0,6 and M1 nuts/bolts/threaded bar

1,3mm washers

 

Using the leaf-spring brass for the clevises (or whatever they're called:lol:), I marked out and drilled 3 holes for each clevis: 1mm in centre and 0,7mm for outers. Then, after bending to shape, I inserted a short length of M1 threaded bar and soldered in place. I could then use that to mount in a pin-vice and file/sand to final shape.

 

After some fiddling about cutting the tubes to length I did a dry-fit. I didn't like the way the tubes bowed, 1 up 1down, where they crossed each other. So I decided to flatten the tubes at that point and bolt them together. A much more realistic look imho...and a fair bit sturdier, too!

 

After a short dip in burnishing fluid it was time for final assembly!!! A very fiddly and frustrating task, I may add!

 

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Well, that's all for now folks!!

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and thanks again for watching!

 

Cheers, H

 

sorry about poor light btw

 

 

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Harvey,

 

What they said! Adjustability is amazing.

 

You would not believe how long I have stared at those brackets.

Cross braces

 

This is where I have got to (note it is a bit compressed by the image capture process I use.)

 

My reason for posting it is to try to show just how cunning the designer was. At the back the brackets were symmetric ( as far as it is possible to tell. But the rods have to cross in the middle as you noted above. So I think what they did was to have a single bracket design. On the right it fitted so the rod was high (yellow in the sketch). The bracket the other side was turned over so rod as low and the angles were correct. As you can see in my sketch, I have almost but not quite got the geometry right in the middle. Maybe that the rods are too thick. I can see why you decided to compress the rods.


Hope that is of interest


ATB


Nick

 

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I want to inform you regarding my own construction . My proceeding is different than yours , dear Harvey , because I want to complete the outer wrap first ( bodywork ,  bonnets , radiator case ) before starting with the interior  and the other parts .

I was not content regarding my bodywork , that´s why I cut out pieces  and replaced them by brass sheets . This way I got thin walls at the visible spots .No thick filler layers will be visible later on .

I also established a construction for holding the bodywork on the chassis  It´s hidden in the later invisible rear end of the car . This construction allows exact adaption works  and it´s removable .It should be sufficient for a firm connection once the marriage will be necessary .

My last step was to remove the fairing completely . I will replace it by a new one , built from scratch .

It´s a quite dirty work with tons of dust but the improvements are worth the effort . I hope I can show some pics on our research thread in  the next  days .

Many greetings !   Hannes

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Mr  H, the best compliment I can pay to your work is that is a cross between the Industrial Revolution, the blacksmith's forge and thinking so simple it is brilliant. You are putting on a clinic for all of us, no matter our disciplines or skill levels. An ocean of tips and methods appear here.

 

We have got an amazing number of top tier builders sharing their work right now on Brit and I wholly agree with Roy V's (himself, a top tier researcher and engineer/builder) comments along those lines. I would name them but fear of leaving one out prevents my foggy brain from allowing that. The other stunning thing is that the subjects range from classics, to race cars to locomotives/rail cars (you both know who you are :nono:) and the way problems are examined and solved. Many of you have expert, hands-on experience in the real world.

 

Harvey, you are the inspiration for the cult of scratch builders now evident here and all of your collective works are inspiration to glue-drippers like me. I salute you all. :cheers:

:worthy: C

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24 minutes ago, Codger said:

Mr  H, the best compliment I can pay to your work is that is a cross between the Industrial Revolution, the blacksmith's forge and thinking so simple it is brilliant. You are putting on a clinic for all of us, no matter our disciplines or skill levels. An ocean of tips and methods appear here.

 

We have got an amazing number of top tier builders sharing their work right now on Brit and I wholly agree with Roy V's (himself, a top tier researcher and engineer/builder) comments along those lines. I would name them but fear of leaving one out prevents my foggy brain from allowing that. The other stunning thing is that the subjects range from classics, to race cars to locomotives/rail cars (you both know who you are :nono:) and the way problems are examined and solved. Many of you have expert, hands-on experience in the real world.

 

Harvey, you are the inspiration for the cult of scratch builders now evident here and all of your collective works are inspiration to glue-drippers like me. I salute you all. :cheers:

:worthy: C

Ditto...lol

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Thank you all, once again, for you kind words and support. 

 

17 hours ago, Codger said:

Mr  H, the best compliment I can pay to your work is that is a cross between the Industrial Revolution, the blacksmith's forge and

thinking so simple it is brilliant. You are putting on a clinic for all of us, no matter our disciplines or skill levels. An ocean of tips and methods appear here.

Mr C, I feel truly honoured and humbled ( a touch emotional, too, if I'm being honest) by your compliment! I thank you my friend!!

 

I agree, wholeheartedly, about the amount of top-line builders on BM. It's great to see the wealth of skill, talent and knowledge on this fantastic site that we all call home. When I picked up modelling again, I had only just discovered the internet (always been a technophobe lol) and modelling forums. I was in complete awe of the many models on show. I remember saying to the missus " look at what these idiots are doing here, they must be mad!" I couldn't even comprehend cutting a perfectly good kit to pieces and drilling thousands of holes etc., but thoroughly enjoyed watching. Now, the very thought of even touching a plastic kit fills me with horror!!:yikes:

MORE SCRATCHBUILDING PLEASE!!!

 

14 hours ago, mustang1989 said:

Un...........................believable. I'll be in on this one for the rest of the way man.

 Thank you Mustang, glad to have you along for the ride!

 

Cheers, H

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