corsaircorp Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 8:52 AM, exdraken said: Great thread and modelling!! Still some time to go till Nov. Hello Exdraken, Thanks for the kind words, Still some time 4 little months !! At my pace it's time to move my A.. Well you know what I mean ! On 6/24/2019 at 5:17 PM, Tzulscha said: Je viens de finir de lire toute l'histoire de Roc. Incroyable! Cela ressemble à un avion! J'en ai aussi un dans ma collection, mais je n'ai jamais eu le courage d'essayer de le construire. J'ai également des kits de résine de Skua et de Roc de Warrior Models en Pologne. Martian et toi me donnez le goût de construire des Blackburn! Ne t'arrête pas maintenant! Hello Tzulscha !! Waoow !! Perfect french !! Congratulations ! What I love in Blackburn is that these guys did'nt fear nothing !! A bit like Bell in the U.S ! Unconventional and little known sadly !! I did'nt know these resin models, I also have the Skua I'm looking for the 1/48 Firebrand ( Vacformed ) And then I will make my first complete scratch and I hesitate... A Blackburn Blackburn or a Blackburn Ripon ??? Then, Blackburn is also the name of the first skipper of the Jolly rogers !! I thank you for the kind words AND come on ! Build a Roc !! Now !! Far from coming to an Halt, here's where I'm now with the Roc #1 Brewed paint, eyeball Mk I for the collector ring, And I'm glad with it !! What do you think about Guys ?? I know, I messed a bit but oil paint will correct it I also changed the hue on the ragged control surfaces !! Not very evident on the pic, and not too obvious either, I think that I got it ! Now I'm open to comments ! Feel free !! About 40°C today in CC Castle !! Take care ! Sincerely. CC 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 This is shaping up very nicele CC. Martian 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 Hello Dears !! IRL is demanding and the heat wave gave us a lot of work... Just a pic of the turret ! I'm glad about my .303 breeches, it look better that way !! More to come soon !! Take care and stey hydrated !! CC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 Hello Dears, I added the trigger stick created from a Corsair part and the 2 Dials from another Corsair !!! I must say that the Master barrels look like the real thing !! Compared to the original ones... I started the decals too ! There was a lot of sink marks, I repaired it ! Have a great modelling time ! Sincerely. CC 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 I think you have pretty much nailed this one CC|! Martian 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 Hello Dears, Not a lot done this week end, Given the heat Wave, we walked the dogs right into my modelling time 😡😡 And I have had enough of arguments with SWMBO for these days !! Sooo The Roc has been decalled and Floried !! Then I pais a visit to my son !! Here, let me introduce you to my 3 best kits (kids) ever !! It's rare to have them 3 together !! Xavier and his wife Cansu, then, Nicolas and Madlyne !! And of course, my grand daughter Lila !! Always a moment that I treasure !! See you later Gents !! Thanks for popping !! Sincerely. CC 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Hello Dears, More Rocities !! I added a peg to the antenna pole... It's more than a simple mast here Then I bored the transparency because gluing plastic on trans' parts did'nt work out so good !! Guess how I know it !! We got a nosework with my fav Dogge in the city !! It's not my dog for nothing... Still watchfull... And so enjoying tasty things !! That clearly mean "Hey Hooman, gi'me a bit of this... it look tasry !! " Be reassured, she received some ! Well Roc, That's the main subject seemingly !! The turret look the business methink, I do'nt know what's the use of this seemingly plywood part right in the middle Or may be a kind of sun screen that con be raised... If one of you guys Know it, feel free to edificate us !! Well, the folded wing Roc is nowhere ready for SMW... I should crack on... No I must... Sincerely. CC 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 Hello Dears, The lady is on her legs ! There will be better pics soon !! Sincerely. CC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 Hello Dears, Some posts ago I show some figures to put on my diorama but ... Then... I think that the Diorama show a bit of the Lee-On- Solent Naval Air Station..... So Fleet Air Arm and thus sailors.... Aaaand The figures are R.A.F ones !! So I have to modify, not only the postures but they should finally look like this ! They put the @Martian Hale's roc turret to good use THAT will be fun !! Interesting view of the opened turret... And these da... wires running on the fuselage.... Holy God, I really must move my.... Sincerely. CC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickthebrief Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 CC, This is really starting to "look the part" - the Roc was never a very lovely thing, but yours is a lovely model of it. In the photo above, what's happened to the undercarriage door? My recollection of the ones in the Skua kit (which I assume are the same) is that they needed some work before they fitted, but perhaps you don't need them? Anyway, keep up the good work! Cheers, Nick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Your are welcome to my spare turret if you need it CC. Generous of Mars 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Martian Hale said: Your are welcome to my spare turret if you need it CC. Generous of Mars 👽 Thank you O generous from Mars !! I don't know where the pic has been shot, but imagine that the guys are training in Bermudas.... They get the turret out from the Rocs, put it on these metal structures And then they trained with these same turret to shot at targets towed by the Rocs.... What a great idea for a Diorama... Yes, okay, I know.... Do not induce this Martian in some weird ideas.... But... Well, beer is cold on Uranus, I go back to my fav corner !! CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I suspect the first picture may well have been taken at Worthy Down, a lot of TAG training took place there. The rig being worn by the sailors would tend towards a UK location. PM me if you want the spare turret bits. Martian 👽 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 38 minutes ago, corsaircorp said: Thank you O generous from Mars !! I don't know where the pic has been shot, but imagine that the guys are training in Bermudas.... They get the turret out from the Rocs, put it on these metal structures And then they trained with these same turret to shot at targets towed by the Rocs.... What a great idea for a Diorama... Yes, okay, I know.... Do not induce this Martian in some weird ideas.... But... Well, beer is cold on Uranus, I go back to my fav corner !! CC Cold beer on Uranus .........i never knew that !!! ya learn and ya learn and ya keep on learning in this thread.........simply mindboggling it is !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 6:17 PM, corsaircorp said: And these da... wires running on the fuselage.... I think the upper wire might be the release cable for the internally stowed dinghy, but I have no idea of the purpose of the pair of wires running underneath. Anybody? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Lovely work going on here CC! My guess at the "plywood" part in the turret is that it is actually armour plating to protect the gunner, but that's just a guess.... Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickthebrief Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 17 hours ago, 72modeler said: I think the upper wire might be the release cable for the internally stowed dinghy, but I have no idea of the purpose of the pair of wires running underneath. Anybody? Mike If the Roc had the same arrangement as the Skua, I think one cable is to enable the pilot to deploy the anti spin parachute from it's housing above the centre of the tailplane, and the other is the cable to release the parachute - presumably once it has worked, and the spin has been recovered, you don't want to tow the 'chute all the way home! It still seems incredible that a front line fighter was so dangerous in a spin that it needed a parachute to help it recover - can you imagine deploying it in the middle of a dog-fight? Cheers, Nick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nickthebrief said: If the Roc had the same arrangement as the Skua, I think one cable is to enable the pilot to deploy the anti spin parachute from it's housing above the centre of the tailplane, and the other is the cable to release the parachute - presumably once it has worked, and the spin has been recovered, you don't want to tow the 'chute all the way home! It still seems incredible that a front line fighter was so dangerous in a spin that it needed a parachute to help it recover - can you imagine deploying it in the middle of a dog-fight? Cheers, Nick. Thanks for the tip Nick !! The Roc was so underpowered that the chute will win every time !! Now in the middle of a dog fight... That can be a lethal weapon, obscuring the view of the Me 109' pilot Or jamming the prop with the chute rope !! Well wait !! It remind me of the special japanese weapon named "Sanshikidon" So another british idea tried on the other side of the planet earth...😜 Sincerely. CC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickthebrief Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, corsaircorp said: Thanks for the tip Nick !! The Roc was so underpowered that the chute will win every time !! Now in the middle of a dog fight... That can be a lethal weapon, obscuring the view of the Me 109' pilot Or jamming the prop with the chute rope !! Well wait !! It remind me of the special japanese weapon named "Sanshikidon" So another british idea tried on the other side of the planet earth...😜 Sincerely. CC CC, I think you might be right - given the performance of the Skua or the Roc releasing a parachute into the enemy's face might be the best defence... Didn't I read once that Firefly observers used to throw rolls of toilet paper out to try and distract enemy fighters - or am I imagining that? Cheers, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Nickthebrief said: CC, I think you might be right - given the performance of the Skua or the Roc releasing a parachute into the enemy's face might be the best defence... Didn't I read once that Firefly observers used to throw rolls of toilet paper out to try and distract enemy fighters - or am I imagining that? Cheers, Nick. Yep, you're almost right !! It was not Fireflies but fulmars over malta ! CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 7:02 PM, Martian Hale said: Your are welcome to my spare turret if you need it CC. Generous of Mars 👽 Thank for the offer oh Great Admiral of the galactic MVS fleet ! For the while, I did'nt need the turret, I was about to make a plunge for the turret's doors But given the pic the cross section is almost right ! On 7/14/2019 at 6:57 PM, Nickthebrief said: CC, This is really starting to "look the part" - the Roc was never a very lovely thing, but yours is a lovely model of it. In the photo above, what's happened to the undercarriage door? My recollection of the ones in the Skua kit (which I assume are the same) is that they needed some work before they fitted, but perhaps you don't need them? Anyway, keep up the good work! Cheers, Nick. Hello Nick, Don't you worry the U/C doors will receive a spray of paint and will be installed soon. Thanks for your support ! 23 hours ago, Norman said: Cold beer on Uranus .........i never knew that !!! ya learn and ya learn and ya keep on learning in this thread.........simply mindboggling it is !!!! Hello Norman, Everything stay cold on Uranus !! Thanks for letting me know that I can modestly participate to the edification of the human beings 20 hours ago, 72modeler said: I think the upper wire might be the release cable for the internally stowed dinghy, but I have no idea of the purpose of the pair of wires running underneath. Anybody? Mike Thank you Mike, Now put it on my Roc whithout messing up the NMF Then paint it as it is a part of the roundel... Dire straits once again... 7 hours ago, limeypilot said: Lovely work going on here CC! My guess at the "plywood" part in the turret is that it is actually armour plating to protect the gunner, but that's just a guess.... Ian Thank You Ian I would have bet for an armoured glass, but it look like plywood on the pics ! Thank for the kind words ! Sincerely. CC PS tomorrow it's a rest day So there will be some Roc cification !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 ''Edification of the human beings'' What made you think i'm human ?!! Besides i thought these threads were for us non-humans !!! Please explain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) On 7/15/2019 at 8:19 PM, Nickthebrief said: If the Roc had the same arrangement as the Skua, I think one cable is to enable the pilot to deploy the anti spin parachute from it's housing above the centre of the tailplane, and the other is the cable to release the parachute - presumably once it has worked, and the spin has been recovered, you don't want to tow the 'chute all the way home! It still seems incredible that a front line fighter was so dangerous in a spin that it needed a parachute to help it recover - can you imagine deploying it in the middle of a dog-fight? Cheers, Nick. The Skua / Roc was by all accounts “interesting” to fly, particularly at high fuel states, when longitudinal stability became “marginal”. Hmmm. An aircraft that teeters on the edge of control, and is known to be not that great at spin recovery; what could possibly go wrong? These young men were definitely brave, even before they took their aircraft anywhere near a German. However, it was not designed in any way as a dog-fighter. Inter-war doctrine reckoned that Naval fighters would only be dealing with hordes of bombers - and (see my Ark Royal thread for further discussion) that in any case, guns were a better bet for dealing with air attacks on ships. Off Norway, when air attack was thought to be likely, at one point Ark Royal was ordered to strike all her aircraft - including her Skuas - down into the hangar and defuel them to reduce the risk of fire. To modern eyes, that seems to miss almost the entire point of having an aircraft carrier with you... Said doctrine was utter rubbish, obvs - but that goes at least some of the way to understanding why anyone in their right mind could think that a dive bomber (a role in which the Skua had a decent, if brief, record) and a fighter could be combined in a single airframe. Mind you, this was very far from the only piece of 1930s doctrine that looks completely insane with hindsight. See also “the Bomber will always get through” and the early RAF’s near-obsession with the myth that future wars would all be won by fleets of bombers, with everything else thus completely irrelevant. Edited July 16, 2019 by Ex-FAAWAFU 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Absolutely ! That was the time... In my mind, it just add to the courage of the FAA aviators and observers ! Now, they also created the naval aviation from scratch, most of the ideas that make the Naval aviation as we know it today came from the Royal Navy. The germans also are obssessed by " the bomber will get through" Luckily, with this obsession the Me 262 has been delayed as a fighter... Well, I worked on my inner wings ! First test from a paper template, not too bad I'll duplicate it and then add the details ! Some copies for the right shape and dimensions, if one of you is interested, just PM me Almost that there are not many Bm'ers who will fold the wings of a Roc... time for dr Falkenstein now !! I know these are differents legs, but I need a TAG getting out of the turret ... Now, I'm clearly out of my comfort zone... I did some figures back in the 80's but it was 1/35... Ok, 3 more evening work days, and Have a great modelling time !! Sincerely. CC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) Fold the wings of a Roc, no... but a Skua wing-fold could definitely get my attention Edited July 17, 2019 by Ex-FAAWAFU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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