The Spadgent Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Holy moley that's a bit extreme. Hope the painting goes well old bean . jont 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Great save on the code letters Ced. I always Gloss varnish before and after decals as a matter of course. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonl Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Great save on the letters... eek eek on the roundels... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Graham Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Hi Ceb! I think you've done the right thing. I always try to paint all these marks ... it's a little bit more work but you get a better finish. You had a problem with this .. but i think it's going to be better in this way. go for it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 04/08/2017 at 08:43, giemme said: Great save on the code letters and yeah! roundel painting - way to go! Ciao Thanks Giorgio On 04/08/2017 at 09:26, Biggles87 said: Didn't you try pricking them? ( fnar fnar ) Thanks John - nah, they were too wrinkly. Horrid. Not sure what was wrong (they're the kit decals) but hey ho, gives me a chance to use some roundel paint On 04/08/2017 at 09:39, AlexN said: Ah ha1 but you can sharpen them : rotate the end of the lefd (in the pencil) on a piece of fine-grade sandpaper kept for the purpose (400 - 600 grit) and there you'll have it. Simple. Easy. Fun! And you could use it for pricking transfers . Thanks Alex On 04/08/2017 at 09:46, keefr22 said: Ced, I've mentioned it before, and Bill has just mentioned it again, but your paint really doesn't look shiny enough to prevent silvering, to my eyes anyway. I know I'm witching my next build here, but I haven't had any decals, including Xtradecals, silver for years. I always give the model enough coats of Klear to make the surface really glossy - this may take a day or two due to leaving the coats to dry - and then use the ''lay the decals into a fresh coat of Klear and give them another thin brushed on coat when on'' method. It may take longer to do, but saves all the faffing about trying to get rid of silvering! And again as Bill says, quick coat of rattle can or airbrush matt varnish will kill the shine... Keith On 04/08/2017 at 19:17, Spookytooth said: Great save on the code letters Ced. I always Gloss varnish before and after decals as a matter of course. Simon. Thanks Keith and Simon - yes, you've told me and I've been lazy again. I will learn, eventually... On 04/08/2017 at 14:00, The Spadgent said: Holy moley that's a bit extreme. Hope the painting goes well old bean . jont Thanks Johnny 15 hours ago, Leonl said: Great save on the letters... eek eek on the roundels... Thanks Leon 13 hours ago, Jamie_Graham said: Hi Ceb! I think you've done the right thing. I always try to paint all these marks ... it's a little bit more work but you get a better finish. You had a problem with this .. but i think it's going to be better in this way. go for it! Thanks Jamie - hopefully tomorrow. Back from the weekend helping younger daughter move in to her new flat. My assembly mojo has been completely exhausted thanks to a flat full of Ikea boxes, now furniture. Hopefully some progress in the morning. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On 04/08/2017 at 9:49 AM, keefr22 said: Derwent battery 'electric' sharpener A First World gadget, if ever there was one! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 Better late than never, the fuselage got a coat of Klear ready for weathering: Untitled by Ced Bufton, on Flickr Time for roundel masking. I'd been a bit restricted on this method because my standard circle cutter won't go small enough for the red bit, but now I have my new 'Super Cutting Compass' I can... realise I don't need it for big bomber roundels. Ho hum. Here they are on the mat with my collection of masking sheet: I treated myself to a new sheet for these (every little helps). I used the Revell decal as a template but I didn't want to make a hole in it so I covered the sheet with the protection tissue and marked out the roundel sizes and used that to set the cutter: The tape across the mask is to allow each part to be lifted without losing the alignment (in theory). Stuck on the wing and the outer mask carefully burnished down, taking special care over the panel lines: Stynylrez white primer: Then outer segment of mask inserted and roundel red sprayed: While we're waiting for that to dry, details of the colour mixes I use, all Tamiya acrylics: Dull Roundel Red - Mix of 75% flat Red (XF-7 ), 25% NATO Brown (XF-68) Blue - Mix of 95% flat Blue (XF-8), 5% flat Black (XF-1) Yellow - Flat Yellow (XF-3) with a tiny amount of flat Red (XF-7) 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Scrumptious! Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Great stuff Ced! Thanks indeed for your mixes for the roundel colours, the red looks spot on to me! Keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Looking forward to seeing how this bit turns out. Martian PS: Those box mitres are a godsend Ced! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Great stuff Ced! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael51 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Ced, You have chosen the pilgrim's path of the painted roundels, something i would not care to attempt. You are a braver man than me and doubtless more talented to attempt such a trek into modelling adversity. I'm a gloss it then decal it chap. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Gloss and decals for me too. Bonne chance John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I don't think you're going to regret painting the roundels Ced. Extra work but definitely worth it in terms of the finished appearance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Very profesh! Jont 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 Thanks Giorgio, Keith, Martian, Michael, John, Tony and Johnny - all very kind Thanks Cookie - it's thanks to you that I even started this route and, as you can see below, I still need to try harder! Next stage, re-insert the red mask, THEN remove the blue, again burnishing well especially the panel lines. Then you can unmask the red: Not bad. Spray the blue, wait a bit then OFF with the masks: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear (or words to that effect), like Cookie I've got some white showing. AND look at that 'ring around the collar' (old joke for our US friends)! I can understand the white bits (tee hee) but why, oh why, do the masked roundels appear to be smaller than the removed decals? Here's why: The Revell kit decals are smaller than the Xtradecal ones. Hmmm. Luckily (very luckily) for me I appear to have lined the masks up so that the painted roundels are in the same place - pure luck. After a bit of blue touch up I rubbed the residue from the old decals with a damp cotton bud: Rear one still drying. Happy with those. Wings now Klear coated ready for weathering tomorrow. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Why didn't you mask the wings before you took white paint to the roundel position? Huh? I'm a tad disappointed here Ced. 😱 White over spray, worse than a bit of touch in with a very fine rigger on the roundel's white bits would have been Why? The painted roundels look good and will surely respond with a spot of paint 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Confuddled here Bill - Ced has touched the roundels up (fnaar?) hasn't he? They look proper to me now - are the 'white' bits left not light reflections in the camera? Keith Edit - ah, I see it now, you mean the overspray on the rest of the wings. Do I sense you want to get this one out of the way asap Ced....?! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Thanks Gents - 'tis true Keith that Bill has given me an opportunity to use the 'confused reaction' for the first time! I had masked the wing before white and the little bits showing must have been due to mis-placing mask... rats. All touched up now (fnarr!) and ready for weathering. Oh, and sticking on the sticky-out-bits on the fuselage... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Yes Keith I mean the massive overspray on the upper main planes Touching in, with or sans a fine rigger isn't what I mean Confused? Not me. 😁 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 'A modeller of whom we're aware Painted roundels on just for a dare, Though his spray was excessive His humour transgressive Ensured a fnaar fnaar fnaar - so there!' 3 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Oh well Ced, we live and learn as we grow older. Over-spray can be a nightmare, especially if it is a small touch up FNAR. I have used cling film or sandwich bags at times to cover large areas. Still kudos to you for the hand made masks Ced. BTW where did you get the cutter from ? Simon. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 One of my favourite episodes of HHH today on Radio4 Extra, the one with the threatening letters. The roundels do look good but you haven't convinced me to it yet. John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 After all is said and done, they turned out way better than decals Ced! I quit using using a white base for roundel painting because of those dreaded 'rings' that always seem to result. I've starting doing the opposite of the generally recommended order: I paint the darkest color first and end with white (blue then red then yellow then white), and things have gone much better. Although, it looks like I did yellow last on this one, for the convenience of masking off the leading edge stripes at the same time. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 27 pages! I have been missing out! Cracking work Ced, I have never been brace enough to try and tackle rounders and you appear to have very much gotten away with it! well done Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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