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On 7/26/2019 at 6:40 AM, Rui Silva said:

Hi all,

Just looking at the schemes for the G.1A and I wonder why did the Luchtvaartafdeeling use brown wing bottom surfaces? Usually camo schemes have a lighter "sky" colour on the bottom unless it's a warplane used for night ops but the "jachtkruiser " was used as day heavy fighter and ground attack aircraft.

 

Usually but, maybe not always. If memory serves, RAAF Beaufighters  in the Far East carried an overall dark green finish?

 

Allan

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2 hours ago, Albeback52 said:

Usually but, maybe not always. If memory serves, RAAF Beaufighters  in the Far East carried an overall dark green finish?

 

Allan

Hi Alan,

RAAF's overall Foliage Green could be a good ground camouflage scheme in the tropical jungles, but the Dutch AF "chocolate brown" seems odd for that purpose, maybe it was a "quick id" scheme as Stew suggests, I was hoping some expert on the Luchtvaartafdeling could satisfy my curiosity.

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7 hours ago, Rui Silva said:

Hi Alan,

RAAF's overall Foliage Green could be a good ground camouflage scheme in the tropical jungles, but the Dutch AF "chocolate brown" seems odd for that purpose, maybe it was a "quick id" scheme as Stew suggests, I was hoping some expert on the Luchtvaartafdeling could satisfy my curiosity.

Be interesting to find out certainly. I rather like it though.

 

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On 7/26/2019 at 7:40 AM, Rui Silva said:

Just looking at the schemes for the G.1A and I wonder why did the Luchtvaartafdeeling use brown wing bottom surfaces? Usually camo schemes have a lighter "sky" colour on the bottom unless it's a warplane used for night ops but the "jachtkruiser " was used as day heavy fighter and ground attack aircraft.

Maybe Dutch War Ministry had different concept of colour of sky, like here:

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J-W

 

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Last news from Sergey of Mirko Mir:  "The model only today (05-08)  began to be produced in series. By the end of the week the circulation will be ready. 

So it should be on the shelves at your local modelshop in about 2-3 weeks.

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3 hours ago, kopperhed said:

I am very excited for this release. Seems very rapid as well. Keep up the good work on interesting subjects, Mikro Mir.

Yeah, me to.
I´ll most likely get this version, but the one I'm really looking forward to is the recce version with the glass bathtub under.

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Dutch Decal is working on:

 

A monography about the Fokker G.1

https://www.facebook.com/DutchDecal/photos/a.319071761559888/1636690123131372/

 

67808708-1636690126464705-66634081693576

 

And of course on dedicated decals - ref. DD48069 - Fokker G-1 "Jachtkruiser"

https://www.facebook.com/DutchDecal/photos/a.319071761559888/1636689243131460/

 

67766158-1636689253131459-33344853100787

 

V.P.

 

 

 

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On 8/2/2019 at 5:37 PM, JWM said:

Maybe Dutch War Ministry had different concept of colour of sky, like here:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJNQNpIV-Qqrk2TnRLlJuimages?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlgCRKvqjHYego3s7p_H_view_of_new_york_oil_on_canvas_hi.jpg

 

Cheers

J-W

 

Well I think your rather close!

But look at ground level, not sky. 

 

For a small country hiding plane’s at ground level was top prior to survive and camouflage must be suitable for it .

The military strategy, in case of war broke out was to move planes away from regular airports and hide on numerous secret airstrips and country places.

(Also saving some money by skipping the grey paint for the bottom should have contributed to this decision, I guess).   

 

The aviation company (het Luchtvaartbedrijf, LVB) performed services for the armed aviation forces “the Aviation department” (de Luchtvaartafdeling, LVA).

It also tested and gave instructions for the paint scheme to be used on military planes.

The brown, green and beige camo was, by 1338 the common standard for all fighters and bombers.

 

The aviation company instructed Fokker to paint the G.1 Mercury’s equal to Fokker T.V with brown, beige and green paint from Sikkens.

(Sadly the Sikkens paint and colour information is lost during WW2). 

 

The G.1 aircraft were entirely sprayed in brown and then over it applied with a green and beige pattern.

The beige and green colours were swopped halfway through production series as, again instructed by the aviation company.

 

Here in the Netherlands there is still much debate about the LVA camouflage.

However this concerns more the colors instead questioning the illogical brow on the underside.

 

The brown and green is now fairly well known thanks to preserved wreckage.

However the sand or beige paint was not presented on it.

Only in recent years the conclusion became that the sand colour must have been (more) beige tinted.

 

So, if you planning to build an accurate G.1 model use recent reference.

As older kits, manuals or paintings are often presented with the wrong sand tint.

 

The Douglas DB8A’s ordered in America were painted with (preserved) FS numbers.

We may assume that those FS numbers approached the standard LVA colours and were close by (not equal) the original Sikkens paint.

 

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235016419-douglas-db-8a3n-attack-bomber-mpm-172/&tab=comments#comment-2627014

 

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On 26/07/2019 at 07:10, Homebee said:

Unfortunately, the patterns all have some mistakes. The sand and green on the 312 scheme  are inverted.

 

Please use photographic material to create correct paint schemes, you can consult the Fokker G-1 books written by the Fokker G-1 society (www.fokkerg-1.nl)

Landing gear was brown and not aluminum coloured.

 

More importantly, please be advised that all decals are incorrect. The size of the triangles are incorrect and the black borders are too wide or too narrow.

Also: the sheet is incomplete. There are some service markings missing. None of the G-1s carried Hamilton Standard markings. The propellers carried red white and blue bands on the tips.

 

Correct decal sheets are available from October via Dutch Decal

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On 26/07/2019 at 07:40, Rui Silva said:

Hi all,

Just looking at the schemes for the G.1A and I wonder why did the Luchtvaartafdeeling use brown wing bottom surfaces? Usually camo schemes have a lighter "sky" colour on the bottom unless it's a warplane used for night ops but the "jachtkruiser " was used as day heavy fighter and ground attack aircraft.

 

When the Dutch air corps considered camouflaging their aircraft a first colour set of brown, green and light grey was considered.

But the light grey (called chalk grey) was found too bright and was changed into sand.

The brown lower surface was believed to be less visible when the aircraft was caught in search lights.

But none of the Dutch aircraft were suitable for night operations - so it was an odd choice indeed!

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Dutch Decal sheet in design - ref. DD48069 - Fokker G-1 LVA/Luftwaffe

Source: https://www.facebook.com/DutchDecal/posts/1669744099825974

 

71141501-1669743266492724-24986050198136 70688214-1669773293156388-74940981204945

 

And reference book - Fokker G-1 'Mercury' en 'Wasp' LVA/Luftwaffe. 60 pag. door Luuk Boerman en Paul vd Horst.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/DutchDecal/posts/1669781996488851

 

70009374-1669780879822296-87523529893661 70504684-1669781113155606-75715993579468

 

70040429-1669781173155600-60258870567129  70150361-1669781243155593-80795597112061

 

V.P.

 

 

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