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PZL.23 Karaś family - IBG Models 1/72

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Did they pack enough bombs on there? Anyone know how many versions of this will be produced? Maybe a PZL. 43 is in the offing as well?

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4 hours ago, charlie_c67 said:

Did they pack enough bombs on there? Anyone know how many versions of this will be produced? Maybe a PZL. 43 is in the offing as well?

A variant have 6 bombs in box, but I can't confirm without research, if B variant had more.

About possible variants, having B (early) logically means we should get B (late). IBG confirmed on Facebook, that there will be Romanian box too, as far as I known Romanian modified some PZL.23 by mounting MG 81Z on back, that would be nice addition.

About PZL.43, it needs at least new engine and hull, and it could be done in two variants, PZL.43 and PZL.43A (different Gnôme-Rhône engine). Some PZL.43A were taken by Polish Army from factory in September 1939 and used by Polish Air Force, so that's additional reason to make it. I don't remember a direct confirmation of PZL.43, but taking into accout what I have mentioned here and fact, that IBG made a single prototype (PZL.42), I'm a optimist here. 

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In the IBG homepage - ref. 72505 - PZL.23A Karaś - Polish Light Bomber

Instructions pdf: http://www.ibgmodels.com/instr/72505.pdf 

Source: http://www.ibgmodels.com/72505.htm

 

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Available here: http://en.ibg.com.pl/en,ibg-72505-1-72-pzl-23a-karas-polish-light-bomber,3,33,36,50,14114.html#.WaaCQ-SQyUl

 

V.P.

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And now a PZL. 23B Karaś (late production) - ref. 72507

Release expected in December 2017.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/photos/pcb.1488810017907304/1488806414574331/?type=3&theater

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German in-box review: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/IBG/IBG_72507_PZL_23B_Karas/IBG_72507_PZL_23B_Karas.html

 

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V.P.

 

 

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Anybody knows what is a difference between "early" and "late" Karaś? In model and in real thing. In most of  descriptions only variants A and B are distinguished.

Cheers

J-W

 

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The same thing is being discussed on Polish forums here and here. Details seems are explained in No 95 Mini Replika magazine, and seems to be some small modifications added during overhauls.

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Err for those who don't speak Polish, what are the "slots" and "collapsable goats" the google translate comes up with?

 

Original text:-

"Według artykułu pana Krzysztofa Sikory w MiniReplice nr. 95 wczesne Karasie wersji B posiadały jeszcze sloty (dwie pierwsze serie, w sumie 25 płatowców o numerach 44.44 do 44.68). Kilka z nich mogło przetrwać w tej postaci do wybuchu wojny. Ponadto nie posiadały pierwotnie kozłów przeciwkapotażowych. Samoloty "późne" (od numeru 44.69 do 44.253) bez slotów, miały kozioł przeciwkapotażowy, nie jest pewne, czy XI seria (44.229 do 44.253) miała oba reflektory do lądowania czy jedynie prawy. Oba warianty miały oczywiście stery EDIT: WYSOKOŚCI o powiększonej powierzchni."

 

English translation:-

 

"According to the article by Mr. Krzysztof Sikora in MiniReplice no. 95 early Karas version B were still slots (the first two series, a total of 25 batting numbers 44.44 to 44.68). Several of them could survive in this form until the outbreak of war. In addition, they did not originally have collapsible goats. The "late" aircraft (from 44.69 to 44.253) without slots, had a collapsible goat, it is not certain whether XI series (44.229 to 44.253) had both headlights for landing or just right. Both variants of course were EDIT: HEIGHT with enlarged surface."

 

 

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Well you have to admit, if you must have a goat, a collapsible one would be more convenient for storage :)

 

Cheers,

 

Stew

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"Sloty" are leading-edge slats, and "kozioł przeciwkapotażowy (collapsable goat)" is rollover protection structure, and  indeed, "kozioł" literally means "male goat" in Polish.

 

I haven't made research about PZL.23 versions, so I just posted links to discussion, without translating details which I do not know for sure, just telling if somebody is concerned by lack of translation.

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Yes, another one for me and I just bought the Techmod decal set for the Rumanian decals, will use them anyway.  Excellent news.

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3 hours ago, Colin1967 said:

Yes, another one for me and I just bought the Techmod decal set for the Rumanian decals, will use them anyway.  Excellent news.

Some Romanian PZL.23 had German MG 81Z mounted on back, if IBG really wants to cover literary every variant, maybe they add those.

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20 hours ago, Botan said:

Some Romanian PZL.23 had German MG 81Z mounted on back, if IBG really wants to cover literary every variant, maybe they add those.

Hi Botan,

Thank you for the information regarding the PZL.23, much appreciated and will help me make a more accurate model.

Best regards

Colin.

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PZL P.23 / P.42 / P.43 Instrument panels by Yahu Models - ref.YMA7285

Source: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Yahu/YMA7285_PZL_P23/YMA7285_PZL_P23.html

 

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Dedicated masks set by Pmask - ref. Pk72117

Source: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Pmask/Pk72117_PZL_P23A_Karas/Pk72117_PZL_P23A_Karas.html

 

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V.P.

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On 1/23/2019 at 7:16 AM, Procopius said:

So what's the difference between this and the other PZL. 23B kit? 

There are small windows on fuselage sides below canopy (on the navigator position). In box you have two sets of fuselages - additional frame with fuselage halves having new openings for windows and old (so without those openings) in "normal " frame... The window is well seen on the box art (compare with previous)

Regards

J-W

 

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