Botan Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Did they pack enough bombs on there? Anyone know how many versions of this will be produced? Maybe a PZL. 43 is in the offing as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botan Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 4 hours ago, charlie_c67 said: Did they pack enough bombs on there? Anyone know how many versions of this will be produced? Maybe a PZL. 43 is in the offing as well? A variant have 6 bombs in box, but I can't confirm without research, if B variant had more. About possible variants, having B (early) logically means we should get B (late). IBG confirmed on Facebook, that there will be Romanian box too, as far as I known Romanian modified some PZL.23 by mounting MG 81Z on back, that would be nice addition. About PZL.43, it needs at least new engine and hull, and it could be done in two variants, PZL.43 and PZL.43A (different Gnôme-Rhône engine). Some PZL.43A were taken by Polish Army from factory in September 1939 and used by Polish Air Force, so that's additional reason to make it. I don't remember a direct confirmation of PZL.43, but taking into accout what I have mentioned here and fact, that IBG made a single prototype (PZL.42), I'm a optimist here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 In the IBG homepage - ref. 72505 - PZL.23A Karaś - Polish Light Bomber Instructions pdf: http://www.ibgmodels.com/instr/72505.pdf Source: http://www.ibgmodels.com/72505.htm Available here: http://en.ibg.com.pl/en,ibg-72505-1-72-pzl-23a-karas-polish-light-bomber,3,33,36,50,14114.html#.WaaCQ-SQyUl V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Source: https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/posts/1434507540004219 Quote Karaś B (early) will come out in the first days of October. Below you can see the renderings of the kit! V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Released - ref. 72506 - PZL.23B Karaś (early) Sources: http://ibgmodels.com/72506.htm http://en.ibg.com.pl/en,ibg-72506-1-72-pzl-23b-karas-polish-light-bomber-early,3,33,36,50,14243.html#.Welys-RryUl http://www.kfs-miniatures.com/172-pzl-23b-karas-early-ibg-models/ V.P. Edited October 20, 2017 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) And now a PZL. 23B Karaś (late production) - ref. 72507 Release expected in December 2017. Source: https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/photos/pcb.1488810017907304/1488806414574331/?type=3&theater Box art German in-box review: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/IBG/IBG_72507_PZL_23B_Karas/IBG_72507_PZL_23B_Karas.html V.P. Edited March 24, 2018 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Anybody knows what is a difference between "early" and "late" Karaś? In model and in real thing. In most of descriptions only variants A and B are distinguished. Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botan Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 The same thing is being discussed on Polish forums here and here. Details seems are explained in No 95 Mini Replika magazine, and seems to be some small modifications added during overhauls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Err for those who don't speak Polish, what are the "slots" and "collapsable goats" the google translate comes up with? Original text:- "Według artykułu pana Krzysztofa Sikory w MiniReplice nr. 95 wczesne Karasie wersji B posiadały jeszcze sloty (dwie pierwsze serie, w sumie 25 płatowców o numerach 44.44 do 44.68). Kilka z nich mogło przetrwać w tej postaci do wybuchu wojny. Ponadto nie posiadały pierwotnie kozłów przeciwkapotażowych. Samoloty "późne" (od numeru 44.69 do 44.253) bez slotów, miały kozioł przeciwkapotażowy, nie jest pewne, czy XI seria (44.229 do 44.253) miała oba reflektory do lądowania czy jedynie prawy. Oba warianty miały oczywiście stery EDIT: WYSOKOŚCI o powiększonej powierzchni." English translation:- "According to the article by Mr. Krzysztof Sikora in MiniReplice no. 95 early Karas version B were still slots (the first two series, a total of 25 batting numbers 44.44 to 44.68). Several of them could survive in this form until the outbreak of war. In addition, they did not originally have collapsible goats. The "late" aircraft (from 44.69 to 44.253) without slots, had a collapsible goat, it is not certain whether XI series (44.229 to 44.253) had both headlights for landing or just right. Both variants of course were EDIT: HEIGHT with enlarged surface." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Dapple Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Well you have to admit, if you must have a goat, a collapsible one would be more convenient for storage Cheers, Stew 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botan Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 "Sloty" are leading-edge slats, and "kozioł przeciwkapotażowy (collapsable goat)" is rollover protection structure, and indeed, "kozioł" literally means "male goat" in Polish. I haven't made research about PZL.23 versions, so I just posted links to discussion, without translating details which I do not know for sure, just telling if somebody is concerned by lack of translation. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 No worries, thanks for clearing it all up Botan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) New variant for December 2018 - ref.72508 - PZL. 23B Karaś II Source: https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/posts/1525515880903384 V.P. Edited November 21, 2018 by Homebee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) Released - ref.72507 - PZL. 23B Karaś (late production) Sources: http://www.ibgmodels.com/instr/72507.pdf http://ibgmodels.com/72507.htm http://en.ibg.com.pl/en,ibg-72507-1-72-pzl-23b-karas-polish-light-bomber-late,3,33,36,50,14308.html#.Wj4Z1eRy6Ul V.P. Edited January 23, 2019 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meisnerr Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 The src tax: http://www.72news.eu/2017/12/ibg-pzl-23b-karas-late-polish-light.html and the inbox: PZL 23B Karaś {late version}: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 New boxing in 2018 - ref. 72510 Source: http://www.modelarovo.cz/norimberk-2018-jak-jsme-ho-videli-my/ V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin1967 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Yes, another one for me and I just bought the Techmod decal set for the Rumanian decals, will use them anyway. Excellent news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botan Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Colin1967 said: Yes, another one for me and I just bought the Techmod decal set for the Rumanian decals, will use them anyway. Excellent news. Some Romanian PZL.23 had German MG 81Z mounted on back, if IBG really wants to cover literary every variant, maybe they add those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin1967 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 20 hours ago, Botan said: Some Romanian PZL.23 had German MG 81Z mounted on back, if IBG really wants to cover literary every variant, maybe they add those. Hi Botan, Thank you for the information regarding the PZL.23, much appreciated and will help me make a more accurate model. Best regards Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) PZL P.23 / P.42 / P.43 Instrument panels by Yahu Models - ref.YMA7285 Source: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Yahu/YMA7285_PZL_P23/YMA7285_PZL_P23.html Dedicated masks set by Pmask - ref. Pk72117 Source: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Pmask/Pk72117_PZL_P23A_Karas/Pk72117_PZL_P23A_Karas.html V.P. Edited March 24, 2018 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Released - ref.72508 - PZL. 23B Karaś II https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/posts/2016538021801165 http://ibgmodels.com/72508.htm V.P. Edited January 23, 2019 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, Homebee said: Released - ref.72508 - PZL. 23B Karaś II https://www.facebook.com/ibgmodels/posts/2016538021801165 http://ibgmodels.com/72508.htm V.P. So what's the difference between this and the other PZL. 23B kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 7:16 AM, Procopius said: So what's the difference between this and the other PZL. 23B kit? There are small windows on fuselage sides below canopy (on the navigator position). In box you have two sets of fuselages - additional frame with fuselage halves having new openings for windows and old (so without those openings) in "normal " frame... The window is well seen on the box art (compare with previous) Regards J-W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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