Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 7:15 PM, beefy66 said: Well no parties for a while but if you fancy a good Crac in March I will be in Benidorm for St Patricks week and you have to dress like this beefy the leprechaun 🍀 Pfft. You dress like that at Perth too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny L Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 “Many Thanks yet again for coming to the rescue of a naval modelling dullard!” Hello Rob, I would not say that. The information you were after does not seem to be readily available. None of the books that I have read had this information in them and neither could I find anything online when I wanted to find out about them. In the end I visited the archives. Did not get all the answers but enough to get a general idea and I am still looking for a photo of the smaller Taut Wire Measuring Gear. Enjoying your build greatly. Regards Danny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 4:49 PM, Al Gunthwaite said: Hi Rob Those mats look fine to me. However, have you tried milliput? Roll it flat on a plastic bag that's been sprinkled with talc. Put it under a lamp to speed the cure (but not, I suggest whilst it's still on the plastic bag!). Obviously it can be sanded, but also to get rid of any hard edges a rub with wire wool will do the job. Al Thanks Al. I did actually try Milliput (with talc) but without much success. On 1/6/2019 at 6:06 PM, longshanks said: This is how I initially read this post. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink! On a serious note it's interesting that the lifebuoy appears to be two colours. If so what colours? Kev On 1/6/2019 at 7:15 PM, beefy66 said: Well no parties for a while but if you fancy a good Crac in March I will be in Benidorm for St Patricks week and you have to dress like this beefy the leprechaun 🍀 I think we really are in Panto season Beefy that sounds quite a tour!!! Kev - The two colour pics that show lifebuoys suggest Red and an orangey yellow. (The BPB pics and the US pics of the LCA if that makes sense) Thanks John, Phil and Stuart. Moore soon - I'm suffering with severe lurgy at the moment Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Danny L said: “Many Thanks yet again for coming to the rescue of a naval modelling dullard!” Hello Rob, I would not say that. The information you were after does not seem to be readily available. None of the books that I have read had this information in them and neither could I find anything online when I wanted to find out about them. In the end I visited the archives. Did not get all the answers but enough to get a general idea and I am still looking for a photo of the smaller Taut Wire Measuring Gear. Enjoying your build greatly. Regards Danny Thanks Danny - your searching seems more effective than mine! I wish the IWM was better catalogued. I'm uncertain whether they continue to release more pics from the archives or whether they continue to digitise them? I'm going to have a go at scratching The Taut Wire kit on a Best-guess basis using your rough dimensions. Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, robgizlu said: I think we really are in Panto season Beefy that sounds quite a tour!!! Kev - The two colour pics that show lifebuoys suggest Red and an orangey yellow. (The BPB pics and the US pics of the LSA if that makes sense) Thanks John, Phil and Stuart. Moore soon - I'm suffering with severe lurgy at the moment Rob OH NO where NOT I have see photos of lifebuoys in red and yellowish colours it may have been in my 466 thread from John Lurgy you need to get out more mate preferably in shorts and NO socks nothing like a good breeze round your bits to get you used to a chill beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Sorry but it was Mr Longshanks that posted this one and you can see the lifebuoy as red yellow beefy Now trying to be helpful for a change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I had the same problem trying to identify lifebuoy colours for both my Fairmile 'D' & then my BPB MTB. Back in 2010, I found a colour photo that showed the lifebuoys painted red and white. So that's what I painted mine. Moving ahead to 2017 & my BPB build I found the MTB photo that beefy posted above, that showed the lifebuoys red and yellow. So that's what i painted my lifebuoys. The reference photos I used were both colourized from B&W originals. I've since found a few photos showing life buoys painted red & white, & only the one photo showing red & yellow. I've always wondered if the yellow colour was correct. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny L Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Hello Rob, No idea what the IWM online policy is regarding photos. They do seem to add the odd batch every now and then and the size of photos online has improved from a few years ago. The current IWM search engine is not very good in tracking down photos. It seems to throw up far too many results that do not relate to the search term that you enter, amongst other things. Sometimes you get lucky while looking through the results. Was looking for photos of landing craft in Germany and found this one the other day. A 31172 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205162220 Ref the Lifebuoys. There is some good original colour film here showing them. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060029165 Reel 2/2. At 0.39 - ML - Yellow/Red, 1.45 - LCP(SY) - White, 5.05 - Launch - Yellow/Red. I have seen a Red/White one that came from a Landing Craft Support(Medium) in a museum. Regards Danny Edited January 8, 2019 by Danny L 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thanks Danny I reckon I'll go with red/yellow Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 10:32 PM, Danny L said: Hello Rob, No idea what the IWM online policy is regarding photos. They do seem to add the odd batch every now and then and the size of photos online has improved from a few years ago. The current IWM search engine is not very good in tracking down photos. It seems to throw up far too many results that do not relate to the search term that you enter, amongst other things. Sometimes you get lucky while looking through the results. Was looking for photos of landing craft in Germany and found this one the other day. A 31172 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205162220 Ref the Lifebuoys. There is some good original colour film here showing them. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060029165 Reel 2/2. At 0.39 - ML - Yellow/Red, 1.45 - LCP(SY) - White, 5.05 - Launch - Yellow/Red. I have seen a Red/White one that came from a Landing Craft Support(Medium) in a museum. Regards Danny Thanks Danny That's a great pic of a radar Fairmile - it just makes you think what else is buried in the archive. Loved the D-day film - some great pics of warship colour schemes and yes - I think the yellow/red or plain white lifebuoys win the day! Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Some superb modelling on this thread Rob, and having just caught up I am really impressed with your work here. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/13/2019 at 4:24 PM, Terry1954 said: Some superb modelling on this thread Rob, and having just caught up I am really impressed with your work here. Terry Thanks Terry - I really appreciate that. One of my modelling pet hates is stowage or other material that somehow sits un-suspended defying gravity . Everything needs straps So here's some... I bought some Thick EZ line in Tan which purports to represent rope. I don't think it works And it's time to whinge about Shapeways 3D moulding again. As I've mentioned previously - I have an ambivalent attitude towards 3 D moulding. On the plus side there are objects that are obtainable that really don't lend themselves to scratching. However the finish and surface quality is to say the least very variable, I'm not sure if this is just the Shapeways 3~D printing process or is common to other suppliers. I understand that part of the printed object sits in wax during printing and this surface results in the "frosting". It does impair the finish significantly. I really don't think I could easily replicate the Flot-anets" and they look great but Boy have they taken a lot of preparation - the following pic doesn't really do justice but the highlighted region on the left is "frosted" and requires gently scraping with the back of a scalpel. Each piece needs approx 40 mins to clean up I feel as a technology - it's still pretty immature. As a Landing craft control one of the USPs of this boat was the fact that it carried Taut Wire Measuring Gear. Pre GPS - you tied a length of wire to a known object such as a buoy and then as the wire ran out you measured your distance more accurately than was possible with a ships log. Loyal readers will know that I produced this ... ......which was all very worthy having forgotten that @Danny L had reminded me that this was a version carried on larger ships and that there was a smaller version applicable to this Fairmile The only single reference I have is the line drawing in Lambert and Ross. Neither @Danny L or I have been able to find any photographic evidence that depicts this smaller Taut wire gear in actuality. So on a best guess basis - I had a second go at producing a version and sent it to Danny who was extremely helpful and constructive. So Take 2......(I'm not going to expose myself to ridicule showing you version 1 ) And with further input from Danny (Thanks again - I am in your debt to Many Beers!) it's Take ....3. And Danny also said that - there were 2...so ...yeah you get the picture That officially marks the last piece of scratch building for this project - it's all just finishing now. And without any available original pics - No-one can contest our interpretation Thanks Danny Rob 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Gunthwaite Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Brilliant stuff! Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Excellent work, rework and rework again. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Lovely bit of Gizmology that looks right !! Nailed it buddy My one suggestion would be a gauge. As you say the wire is run from a fixed point and some means of measuring the distance would be required. Looking at your machine I'm thinking a small dial attached to the smaller wheel. Reason behind this is that the larger drum rotation rate would change as the wire unwound. The diameter between a full drum and half drum being different. Probably talking through my lower regions, just my thoughts. Having said that it looks grand as it is . . . Kev PS Don't forget the deck reinforcing plate 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Thanks Al, Stuart and Kev. Kev - they just don't show up very well I thought about a deck plate.........How necessary do you think? I know Lambert shows one but these would not have been that heavy ?? Rob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 She's looking fantastic, Rob. Looking at the deck plate drawing, one possibility came to mind - There's probably a lot of load & tension on the wire & gear when the wire is let out. The deck plate would provide extra strength & support for the the gear. 2 hours ago, robgizlu said: ... And without any available original pics - No-one can contest our interpretation Your secret is safe with me. John 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, JohnWS said: Your secret is safe with me. No secrets on BM John. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 hours ago, robgizlu said: hey just don't show up very well I thought you well 9 hours ago, robgizlu said: I thought about a deck plate.........How necessary do you think? John hit the nail on the head If you're thinking about matching deck colour. Your apparatus was probably a later edition, different colour or even still in factory finish. Were talking D Day anything to get the job done. Keep up the great work, light is on at the end of the tunnel Kev 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Parvis Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 15 hours ago, robgizlu said: And without any available original pics - No-one can contest our interpretation You do know that having said that, you will come across an original picture, likely right after you finish? Matt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Great stuff going on there Rob have to agree with John and Kev about the rear decking plate after all it’s in the drawing your showing soo you should add it to your build. beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Matt Parvis said: You do know that having said that, you will come across an original picture, likely right after you finish? Matt "If you build it - they (the pics) will come" And I think the pressure has become overwhelming for a Deck plate - (I hate cutting squares!!!) Thanks Fellas Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, robgizlu said: (I hate cutting squares!!!) Circles are harder . . . . . 😉 Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 Such has been my sloth, that I've had to dig this out from page 3 of WIP. Actually had nearly 5 hours of modelling today I plead the usual excuses................ And so when I got out the etch Hatchway covering frame in an idle moment, I realised that the resin pieces are much too high ( Fat drunk and Stupid) Be warned (and note to self) they have been moulded overlarge so as to cut down.... Now that looks much better This pic also confirms the aft Gun safety rail has been attached and that the rear bandstand is painted and ready to be affixed. I took some bases off Paul from Just Bases, whilst I deliberate as to whether this deserves a full perspex case. It was time to mount the boat ! I'e used some pedestals from the web (not that many around are there) and used 5min epoxy to glue them within the hull It all mounted effortlessly I glazed the wheelhouse and added a windshield to the bridge. The original pic of 196 shows one unequivocally in place Pulleys were added to the spar Stanchions and final gantry painting was completed - Ammunition lockers and tread boards glued down on coach deck Rudders and props fitted One of the plan diagrams in Lambert shows the CSA apparatus taking the place of 2 of the depth charge stations port side so I think that's what#s going to play out. I made 2 "squares" (I hate making squares) for the The taut wire gear to sit on ( After all that raucous ) and by a very happy coincidence the smaller fits the "bay" exactly, couldn't have planned it if I'd tried The Splinter mats were painted Akan 507c Acrylic BTW and then washed with Mig Neutral grey to give them that dirty cloth look And BTW this is how the Flota-nets turned out with a lick of paint and a dark wash The props are painted using Mr Metal Bronze and Brass which gives that nice semi-verdigris finish. And finally with detailing in sight - I got to looking at flags. i cant find any signalling Flags in 1/72 (I'd be pleased to be corrected) but did find these White Ensigns which look very promising and come I believe from Canada - delivery within about 4/7!! Duplicata Productions And finally a BIG shout out to Name It and Thanks to Julie for her patience corresponding and for sending me 2 examples of their new photo printing process. I'm used to their conventional Plates that are such good value but I was delighted with the photoplate, I'll be using the gold example. Max size is 50 x50mm, expect more in the future Now how kool is that? Thanks for looking - hopefully I can get some momentum going Rob 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 No more teasing This is so close and is looking stunning (even the square) Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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