71chally Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 superb scratch building going on there, very impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Happy birthday Tony, hope it was a good one! My daughter has just learnt happy birthday on her guitar. Her first lesson so now we have had a very slow twanging of happy birthday all night... every night... I tried recording but she got shy. the lathe looks ace! Nice purchase. Also VERY nice work on that interior, looks brilliant. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Excelent work on the inside walkway Tony. Your scratch building gets better and better. Awesome stuff. Jont. Edited March 30, 2017 by The Spadgent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 The tanks may be a bit too large but the rest of the cargo bay is beginning to look convincing. Now, about that follow on for Maureen.................. Martian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Very nifty innards coming along there Tony but I've a reservation or two And if you remembered my Sherpa build you'll be aware of the need for proper hygienic arrangements That curtain? Its supposed to be the rather discrete entrance to the thunder box? Is it really? To my eye it looks as if the bog is in the co-driver's seat, surely the driver would have a words or two to say if the catchers had been on the curry the night before? I do love that garden marker peg, how many could you knock out in a week? I showed it to Terry in my local garden centre and he thinks there's a market for them if we can keep the price down to ten pence for five hundred He's got a market for at least a quid's worth In serious mode for a rare minute the interior 'framing' looks marvellous Edited March 31, 2017 by perdu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 13 hours ago, hendie said: I was more along the lines of meaning that I have no particular interest in this type of aircraft, but the work you are producing makes it a go-to thread for me . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (a slow burn on that realization entering my head hendie- it was clear what you meant the first time now that I done re-readificated it!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 13 hours ago, Spookytooth said: The flying "Thunder-Box" LOL. All looking good Tony, and yes the Benson tanks may have to come down a little bit, not much though as you said. Yep. Operation 'Lower the Bensons' is a go... 13 hours ago, Tomoshenko said: And as for that lathe I expect to see some 1/72 ball bearings knocked up Given the standard you set on your Lanc interior, plus those individual hand-made artisan bullets, I do certainly feel under pressure to perform at the subatomic level now Tomo! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 14 hours ago, 71chally said: superb scratch building going on there, very impressive! Chars Jarms. Enjoying those Lightnings of yours very much - definitely a standard being set in the metal skin stakes! 14 hours ago, rob85 said: Happy birthday Tony, hope it was a good one! My daughter has just learnt happy birthday on her guitar. Her first lesson so now we have had a very slow twanging of happy birthday all night... every night... I tried recording but she got shy. That sounds most sweet Rob. Enjoy those moments. 12 hours ago, The Spadgent said: Excelent work on the inside walkway Tony. Your scratch building gets better and better. Awesome stuff. Tharnks Jaahhnny. I'm currently thinking of building a reflector gunsight for the car dashboard as the traffic getting to work is reaching such obscene levels of delay that I need something to keep me productively amused... 2 hours ago, perdu said: That curtain? Its supposed to be the rather discrete entrance to the thunder box? Is it really? Well, I don't think it leads to Narnia. I'm pretty sure that I read through my research stuff (possibly the Aerofax volume) that the gentleman's facilities were to the right on the cargo bulkhead Bill. Seeing as this is BM though, this will no doubt become a huge bone of contention unless I can clear it up so I'll check when I get home this evening. I've just had to explain to a work colleague why I'm looking online for aircraft toilets during coffee break. Never, ever reply abstractedly that 'it's related to a hobby'.... 2 hours ago, perdu said: To my eye it looks as if the bog is in the co-driver's seat, surely the driver would have a words or two to say if the catchers had been on the curry the night before? With the flight deck immediately above I think this places the radio operator in most peril from incidents of gastric exuberance. 2 hours ago, perdu said: I do love that garden marker peg, how many could you knock out in a week? I showed it to Terry in my local garden centre and he thinks there's a market for them if we can keep the price down to ten pence for five hundred If I can make the master, send it over to Ced to knock out the resin moulds, and with yourself on marketing, this could be...err..wait let me see, that would be three carry one, divided by five, at 10% over....umm... 2 hours ago, perdu said: In serious mode for a rare minute the interior 'framing' looks marvellous Thanks Bill. I shall be looking to the Wasp-Master to keep an eye that my detailing stays true to scale... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Ha! I wondered about the flight deck height but I am studiously trying hard not to study any more aeroplanes I don't want/need/intend...... Doh! Now look at you, got me going again, dammit I knew the 'facilities' in the Sherpa were actually part of the front crew door with a curtain rail in the ceiling to give privacy/access to ribald comments from the loadie Who had to sit right next to it And of course there's the 'bog onna ramp' in the Stately Charlie 130 which has an improbably poor screen thing In fact beggaritanfergetit l don't think we will need to look into commercialising plant markers,since you have obviously been doing your sums Can you tell its not just Hendie you've got enthralled with this 'un, lovely jubbly Edited March 31, 2017 by perdu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Entertaining post as always, Oh Baronial One... 1 hour ago, TheBaron said: I'm currently thinking of building a reflector gunsight for the car dashboard... One of my friends had a little box in his car that had buttons for machine gun, rocket and mortar noises. I searched for a supplier and the best result was on Yahoo Answers: Where can I get one? Answer: Back in 1988 somewhere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Lovely work here, Tony! I think the curtain is down on that side to hide the sink mark! I can imagine the look on your colleague's face when you told him "it's hobby related"....I got a similar look from a female work compatriot when I told her I'd been to a modelling competition last weekend....... Ian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Nice scratchbuilding and I love that dinky little lathe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 9 hours ago, perdu said: Ha! I wondered about the flight deck height but I am studiously trying hard not to study any more aeroplanes I don't want/need/intend...... I have it on good authority from a graphic on p.32 of the Aerofax volume that it is indeed the toilet facility nestled away behind that curtin on the right Bill. I believe from further research that the term 'honeybucket' was the operating term for said facility - an obligatory 'emptying the honeybucket in flight' horror story on Ruud Leuw's C-119 archive here: http://www.ruudleeuw.com/c119-info.htm 8 hours ago, CedB said: One of my friends had a little box in his car that had buttons for machine gun, rocket and mortar noises. I searched for a supplier and the best result was on Yahoo Answers: Where can I get one? Answer: Back in 1988 somewhere Utterly irresponsible! Just my thing.... But which one to get? http://spitfirespares.co.uk/gunsites.2.html 6 hours ago, limeypilot said: I can imagine the look on your colleague's face when you told him "it's hobby related"....I got a similar look from a female work compatriot when I told her I'd been to a modelling competition last weekend....... Well. I just hope you'd waxed Ian, that's all I can say... 2 hours ago, Nigel Heath said: Nice scratchbuilding and I love that dinky little lathe. Cheers Nigel. That lathe is a pretty little thing isn't it? I'd better start saving up spare lengths of sprue to practice.... Nowt in the cutty-sticky line tonight but I'm going to have a look at starting the winch tomorrow. Bon soir mes braves.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Said toilet position, scroll down four pictures, http://forums.simviation.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=173444 There's a scratchbuild and a sitting figure creation project in one go! Edited March 31, 2017 by 71chally 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, 71chally said: There's a scratchbuild and a sitting figure creation project in one go! I doff my hat to you for tracking that down James! That has every appearrance of a token sop to crew comfort.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) I have seen a story where there was a mass upload of several long waiting troops with a few 119s involved, only one of the aircraft had an operational head, which ended up being well facilitated! I think there may have been an optional extra elsan in the back (in a door half?), guessing the orfcers didn't use that one! BTW, have you seen these Tony? Edited March 31, 2017 by 71chally 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Come on Baroness, Navybird has just stolen a march on you! Martian the Stirrer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 9 hours ago, 71chally said: BTW, have you seen these Tony? Just. Superb. You're an absolute bloodhound tracking those down James; thank-you so much! Those complete the references I need perfectly, as so many contemporary shots from that view of the 'J' are heavily shadowed, whereas the lighting and exposures here are spot-on for modelling purposes. I can see here that a lot of the soundproofing/covering on the roof has been stripped back in this exhibit: IIRC correctly the autopilot servos are tucked away in that roof cavity, along with anti-icing gear and a few other things. Those are by far the clearest shots I've seen anywhere to show the arrangement of the pole-handling mechanism at the forward end of the aircraft. Jigsaw now complete and time to think about the best way to build those structures. 9 hours ago, Martian Hale said: Come on Baroness, Navybird has just stolen a march on you! I note the lack of staples in his magazine - clearly old Bill's losing his touch. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 That's the problem with using museum/preserved aircraft for references, especially something as special as your subject choice. Not so bad when you kind of know what should have been fitted when in service. One thing I found interesting with the main load door, is that the underside of it seems to open up into the roof area, and the whole tail lifts up a bit. How do the rods get deployed, do they just slide out aft through the clamps at the rear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 39 minutes ago, 71chally said: That's the problem with using museum/preserved aircraft for references, especially something as special as your subject choice. Not so bad when you kind of know what should have been fitted when in service. ...and even the operational aircraft never seem to have exactly the same details on roof and floor, just to make matters murkier for the unwary modeller! 41 minutes ago, 71chally said: One thing I found interesting with the main load door, is that the underside of it seems to open up into the roof area, and the whole tail lifts up a bit. Absolutely right, it has two independent sections. AFAIK the whole tail lifts up to that angle simply so that the retrieval poles can be extended downwards at an angle from the aircraft, whereas the underside swinging up independently like that gives the necessary level of visibility for retrieval and seeing the deployed gear. 48 minutes ago, 71chally said: How do the rods get deployed, do they just slide out aft through the clamps at the rear? Funnily enough I'd done some grabs from a 'Catch a Falling Star' USAF film on Y-tube earlier to help with visualizing structure: You can see here that the poles were stored horizontally in flight and then prior to commencing the recovery runs, were lifted down and inserted into hydraulic mounts angled downward at the rear - your own post shows this region superbly, including this one which shows the red posts to the rear that the poles were stored horizontally on prior to use: Here's a close-up of these assemblies seen from the inside that shows the hydraulic articulation better, as well as the swtich on the wall to activate them: I'm still trying to work out where those two guys are sitting in the third frame there - from the angle of the light (coming in from the rear) it seems to be the port side, but I've no definitive evidence of exactly where those fold-down seats are placed.. Now, to business. First order of the day was to reduce the framework covering the internal fuel tanks. A little 'Dexterity' and that's down now by 1.5mm: I'll keep that cut-off section, it'll have to be handy for something. I've shoved a lonely old Spitfire pilot inside to help judge scale of things; given that so many of the reference photos of the internals have crew present in the shot, this seems a prudent way of avoiding 'scale-creep': Rummaging through the spares box not atypically revealed that that only plastic tubing I had was either too big or two small in diameter, as you can see. It's not much of a job to bulk the smaller one up by winding some white cotton thread round it later in order to approximate the capture line anyway, so the smaller on it is: I now officially adore hole punches. Is there some kind of Owner's Club' I can join? A 7 mm job is perfect for the outer sides of the cable drum. Dropped in next to Algy that looks convincing enough at this scale in relation to references: The axle/engine mount for this is a simple enough affair. Having glued two sections of card of the right thickness together so that both halves will be the same, a quick drilling out for the axle: BTW: I have to say that since using this large Archimedes drill for the last few months: ...I wouldn't go back if you paid me. Even with the smallest drill bits I find this gives perfect control and power, much better than any pin vice I've used. I was genuinely surprised that the large size didn't mean sacrificing any control whatsoever. Having drilled-out both mount and drum, the mounts were thenshaped down with a cutting disc in the Dremel and then split apart to form both sides: Glued to a base-plate: And the axle tried for size (Slater's micro-rod): Height-wise the general structure is spot-on, but those protrusions at the top are wrong so <snip> they're history: And that will do for now: There's a bit of a motor-gubbins to add to this side of the drum mounting, plus acage holding a roller in place behind it on the fuel tank frame. I'm not sure whether to go with plastic or brass for some of the delicate-looking framing that this and the pole mounts will need: I suspect brass, on the grounds of strength and rigidity. Not a huge amount to show for the time today but I'm feeling more at ease with shape and space inside this region at the moment. I'll leave Algy there for now to keep an eye on things... I hope you're own weekends are going ok, whatever you're up to. Tony 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Slowly getting along with the recovery systems Tony. Is the pilot sitting there waiting for the toilet to be free? Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 More lovely work on the gubbins, but, I hate to say it, the centre cable tray in the pic looks a lot narrower, with definite gaps along the edges between it and the floor.....or where they as variable as the rest of the equipment set up? Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Spookytooth said: Slowly getting along with the recovery systems Tony. Is the pilot sitting there waiting for the toilet to be free? He's actually the attendant and is well narked at the state the crew leave it in... 4 hours ago, limeypilot said: More lovely work on the gubbins, but, I hate to say it, the centre cable tray in the pic looks a lot narrower, with definite gaps along the edges between it and the floor.....or where they as variable as the rest of the equipment set up? Don't tell anyone Ian but now that there's more structure gone in, it's painfully obvious that I need to go back and lose a mm or two off that central 'tray', so that there's a greater separation between it and the surrounding decking. Tray and drum mount should be approximately the same width - youda thunk Ida noticed that... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Lovely reel T. Excelent scratch work, will we see the take away tray method at some point like Tomo's Lanc? Jont 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 18 hours ago, The Spadgent said: Excelent scratch work, will we see the take away tray method at some point like Tomo's Lanc? We will not! At least not in this outing. I mean probably not. Not until a rivetting pounce arrives. If at all. It depends... Good afternoon all of you. I trust this finds you awash in Yorkshire puddings or Waldorf salads and ale or whatever Sunday luncheon is your wont. A touch of plastique tristesse when sitting down to work this morning: not to thrash around the shrub, your correspondent was feeling a little jaded at spending another day down at the rear of the Box. Not fed up as such, simply one of those moods where you want to try something else for a while, and a change being as good as a <I've forgotten how that maxim ends....> I decided to move for'ards for today - but not before slimming down the horribly bloated cable trough. Here's the new version laid down the centre now: Much more in keeping with its surroundings - not to mention the scale! (If you want the discarded original one to mark out yer cabbages Bill I'm happy to send it over...) Right. No prizes for guessing what's going on here. We've had the builders in: I'd only intended to chisel-off the curtains that were moulded onto the bulkhead in order to add my own later out of foil, but before I knew it, Satan took my hand in his and started it marking out doorways. With a whiff of sulphur in the nostrils and in a wild delirium fomenting the senses, the drill came out and then all was lost, so terribly lost: I found myself cast into the yawning void - or at least into that fresh set of holes in the bulkhead - and a demonic force caused me to file madly until we had two full doorways. And so at this stage in proceedings, I realized not without consternation that I had begun to build a toilet. This view gives to a clearer idea of elevation and interaction between the flight-deck and the cargo hold areas: From above you can see how the cubicle comes up right underneath the navigator's table: There's some nice moulding on the central console and chair mounts there, but I'm not so happy about that radio gear on the rear of the cockpit. It's bit 'Time for Teletubbies'.... Unfortunately I've no decent photos of this region for a 'J' variant, which is bothering me due to the amount you can see in through the generously large glasshouse: That just doesn't look quite good enough for me and I'd like to rebuild it, but based on what? Anyway, the task in hand: I needed to box in that cubicle, which also meant removing some of the floor in order for it to fit: So here's the posterior-palace boxed-in now with 0.5mm card, as well as some microstrip to replace the existing kit mouldings on the bulkhead.: Don't worry about damage to that box on the right - I'm not convinced about all of that detail so will probably excise some of it. From the front now, you can see how the cubicle butts up into the flight-deck: I'm going to leave the navigator's table off for now until I decide what to do about that radio gear. That's the cockpit floor glued to the bulkhead and cubicle now: A change is as good as a rest, That's what I was trying to think of earlier! I'm off for a bit of a rest now, and as the sun's out, a lounge in the garden with a cuba libre seems about right. Bon chance mes modellistes! Tony 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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