giemme Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Blimey Tony, this looks like still a lot of work Keep it up, it's going to be awsome in the end Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 that interior is looking absolutely top notch. Your actors have been trained well and they're looking quite naturally posed and not too wooden. Music? If they're reading Playboy up there, then given half the chance I think they'd have been listening to the late Mr Interior and his partner Ms Ivy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 perspicacious or not, still more ruddy work for you Tony, they are of the slotted Fowler type as well, just to really cheer you up! Nice to see the fuselage coming together, you will have those gaps sorted in no time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Hoobajay muddy funster!! THAT! Is astounding, I was only thinking the other day about instructions and colours and how much I have moved away from using them and taking them more as a rough guide these days, then I though of this build and couldn’t remember you ever mentioning instuctions. Let alone using kit parts. at least there are some original bits in the box. glad I’m not the only one with gaps either. ruddy gaps, they can do one. keep it up good buddy. Jont 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Yes. let us draw the line at fluted columns. ...and Botticelli cherubs (as the great Pete and Dud once opined!) 7 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Music? Old prop job, how about good vibrations. Most apposite Pete. That's giving me excitations... 6 hours ago, Martian Hale said: This is so good it just has to be at Telford this year! That's a Martian Befhel BTW. Befehl ist befehl mein Kommartiandant! With so much riding on the rescribing and rivetting to come - let alone my first attempt at metallics - I'm conscious that this could fall below par on so many counts Martian. Either way I guess I'd better join the IPMS at this stage as a precaution.... 6 hours ago, giemme said: Blimey Tony, this looks like still a lot of work You aren't kidding Giorgio! Having spent so long now getting the interior sorted I'm only now starting to realize how much there is to do on the bit that goes around it! 5 hours ago, hendie said: Your actors have been trained well and they're looking quite naturally posed and not too wooden. Just as well or we'd have ended up with The Woodentops having to go on the soundtrack as well! Ah, but I see you're also thinking: 5 hours ago, hendie said: If they're reading Playboy up there, then given half the chance I think they'd have been listening to the late Mr Interior and his partner Ms Ivy I quite agree, and might also add Bongwater's 'Obscene & Pornographic Art' to that for good measure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbxCU7nO2wY Deliciously wry but NSFW.... 3 hours ago, 71chally said: perspicacious or not, still more ruddy work for you Tony, My rule-of-thumb is that if you've you've noticed it then I'm obliged to add it James! 3 hours ago, 71chally said: they are of the slotted Fowler type as well, just to really cheer you up! Oh really, I mean how hard can that be? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................................. That video is an excellent reference however James - thank-you! 2 hours ago, The Spadgent said: couldn’t remember you ever mentioning instuctions. Let alone using kit parts. Beginning to wonder why I actually bought the kit at all..... 2 hours ago, The Spadgent said: ruddy gaps, they can do one. keep it up good buddy. That's a big 10-4 there Rubber Duck.... Ok. So after falling asleep outside in the Spring sunshine earlier (high cirrus and a crescent day-moon - all very David Inshaw) I woke up with an idea about strengthening the top of the vacform: I loathe throwing good bits of metal away and have a pile of old scalpel and razor blades that come in handy from time-to-time. Having slept on the problem I realized that (as is often the case) my initial ideas were a horrendous over-engineering of a problem that Occam's Razor could more profitably resolve - in this case some light but strong pieces of steel that could act as underpinning from the wing spar to the rear of the vacform. Elegant underneath it ain't: But from the outside you get the idea: Once that epoxy has hardened, with the addition of a few fillets of plastic across those blades to bring them into firm contact with the underside of the vacform (being thinner in cross-section than the kit plastic), that should yield a good non-flexible seam. I'll do something similar to the central seam of the bottom of the vacform as well tomorrow. Edward Scissorhands eat yer heart out. Have an enchanted evening. Tony Edited April 21, 2018 by TheBaron spelt 'obscene' wrong 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Top of the tops huh Nice working out, that has to be the way to do the job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, perdu said: Top of the tops huh Nice working out, that has to be the way to do the job Either that, or he wanted a slash Perdu? Simon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBaron said: Edward Scissorhands eat yer heart out. Is that a way of saying KMA? (hint: K stands for Kiss ... ) Anyway, I agree - top job Ciao Edited April 21, 2018 by giemme 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Sharper than a sharp thing in Sheffield. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, TheBaron said: I loathe throwing good bits of metal away and have a pile of old scalpel and razor blades that come in handy from time-to-time. Having slept on the problem I realized that (as is often the case) my initial ideas were a horrendous over-engineering of a problem that Occam's Razor could more profitably resolve - in this case some light but strong pieces of steel that could act as underpinning from the wing spar to the rear of the vacform. Elegant underneath it ain't: I don't know if that is utter genius, or complete and utter madness - god bless you, and all that may sail in you! Wibble.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 If it were madness he'd have attached the blades the other way round! Ian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 If you look at the thing properly... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Peaky modeller! Sunday morning edit. More music. The Doors, gotta have them. (The soundtrack is shaping up better than 'Good morning Vietnam'). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Definitely not in the instruction booklet. Jont. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 17 hours ago, perdu said: Nice working out, that has to be the way to do the job Thanks Bill but spotted what was wrong in that last picture yet? 16 hours ago, Spookytooth said: Either that, or he wanted I'm not fitting...oh, you mean- -no. He's not coming either - I just couldn't stand all that profundity... 16 hours ago, giemme said: Is that a way of saying KMA? God Lord no! I have always been a scion of sober and virtuous character Giorgio. (It's not my fault that my forum account is sometimes hacked by Russian troll-farmers posting bad jokes and gibberish in my name....) 16 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Sharper than a sharp thing in Sheffield. Except for one vitally important point Pete.... 16 hours ago, 71chally said: I don't know if that is utter genius, or complete and utter madness I simulate the former from the position of the latter.... 15 hours ago, limeypilot said: If it were madness he'd have attached the blades the other way round! You spotted the mistake? 14 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: More music. The Doors, gotta have them. (The soundtrack is shaping up better than 'Good morning Vietnam'). Thanks Pete. Though not of the same era it occurs to me that John Cale's 'Satellite Walk' would be a good addition too... 14 hours ago, perdu said: If you look at the thing properly... 3 hours ago, The Spadgent said: Definitely not in the instruction booklet. If you do look at the thing properly then you'll perhaps see why this procedure is not in the instruction book. I stuck the blades on the wrong effin' end of the spar box! Check back and you'll see that I blithely attached them to the for'ard section under the vents, rather than the rear section where it meets the vacform. I. Ask. You. I only discovered this when taping the booms on for a test-fit. No permanent harm done save that of displaying an alarming lapse of cognitive function - the epoxy hadn't cured fully so those blades were swiftly whipped-off and have since been re-attached to the correct end of the Aerial Sword Throne. Prior to doing this however I spent some time sorting out where the centre of gravity for the aircraft is going to be, as this has a direct bearing on how it is going to eventually be mounted for display with the recovery gear trailing out of the back. This is the first time that I've actually had the full span of the main wings taped on to thje fuselage and suddenly I realize that it is a Big Bloody Blighter: I noticed too that there is a second set (outboard of the engines) of those Howler's Besotted Flaps that James gleefully described yesterday, that will also need be-slotting.... Scientifically balancing the bird on the edge of a forefinger Budgie-like revealed fulcrum-point to be here where you see the cross-hatching: More in a minute when I find out why the rest of the photos aren't showing up... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 So yes, as I was saying, allowing for the slight increase in weight that the interior gubbins will introduce, that cross-hatched area is going to be a critical dimension in ongoing work: No, this isn't a scale attempt at smuggling silver out of Hawaii Magnum, P.I. -style but neodymium magnets. The plan - if one can justify a vague set of instincts with a false sense of methodology - is to fix these underfloor at the fulcrum-point, so allowing the whole aircraft to be mounted upon a metal plate affixed to some kind of central pillar: This is just a mock-up in the vice with the plate taped to an old chair leg but the principle seems to work: The metal is just the backing plate ripped from under the LCD display of an old radio-frequency scanner - which performs the dual function of both giving the magnets something to grab hold of, as well as providing a flat surface to support the vacformed rear. Sans Boxcar: The sheer holding-ness of those neodymiums in comparison to their size never ceases to amaze me, though working out the best shape to arrange them in given the contrasting magnetic fields is something of a challenge: Having the BT taped-on as well gave a reassuring sense of its weight in relation to tensile strength of the vacform - even unbraced by knives it showed little sign of flex as I swung the aircraft around the air in a childish, making engine noises scientific manner to check this factor: Big structural stuff at the moment then, a nice contrast to the fiddly-diddliness of the last few months on the interior. In Peripheral matters, I've almost entirely abandoned the use of paintbrushes these days in favour of make-up ones: Buying some of those bulk assorted packs from Chinese suppliers gives a huge range of styles for just a couple of €£$ - some very very thin, for detail work, some big and soft for getting dust and debris out of ye nookes and corners without breaking bits off, and odd little metal probes that defeat me as to their purpose in applying make-up (not being an expert) but are perfect for prodding small bits and moving them around whilst gluing: Final job completed last night was my other ongoing build of 1.5L of Raspberry Ripple ice-cream: A 12 duck-egg Italian custard Vanilla Gelato with a Polish Raspeberry and Rosehip syrup swirled through it when half-frozen. Now, where's the meringues? Tony 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, TheBaron said: I stuck the blades on the wrong effin' end of the spar box! looks like I can bring my ball back again then. 2 hours ago, TheBaron said: allowing the whole aircraft to be mounted upon a metal plate affixed to some kind of central pillar: Oooh novel idea. You've probably thought of this already, but you might want to cover the metal plate with some felt - to protect your underbelly paint work 3 hours ago, TheBaron said: In Peripheral matters, I've almost entirely abandoned the use of paintbrushes these days in favour of make-up ones: Just to be clear.... for painting and weathering? A nice update there Tony though there is an impending tinge of sadness accompanying each of these latter updates... as much as I love seeing the progress I know that each of these milestone markers brings us ever closer to the cessation of the project 3 hours ago, TheBaron said: A 12 duck-egg Italian custard Vanilla Gelato with a Polish Raspeberry and Rosehip syrup swirled through it when half-frozen. that's it! Ball's going home with me again! 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, TheBaron said: I swung the aircraft around the air in a childish, making engine noises scientific manner to check this factor: I've always been under the impression that this is in the instructions? (Not that I ever read them, you understand). Magnets. There's clever, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 22 hours ago, TheBaron said: That's a big 10-4 there Rubber Duck.... I still have the album and watched the movie religiously as a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Like the others I'm in two minds about those posts - nice to see her coming together but also a bit sad that we're nearing the end... but wait, no, there's still plenty to do, you've only just started the outsides! Back to one mind now... attentive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) Brilliant save on the cutting edge as it were. She’s looking lovely together which got me doing something crazy of my own. P.s. that ice cream..... Johnny. Edited April 23, 2018 by The Spadgent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I use neodymium magnets at work - incredibly strong, aren't they? Lovely idea for a display, very much looking forward to it Ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Crikey Tony fantastic stuff. The work on the interior. The crew. The magnets. Bloomin brilliant. I take my hat off to you. This is amazing and inspirational. All the best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Err, no I didn't spot your deliberate mistake, just thinking about attaching them blade outwards! 🤕 I like the magnet idea too, just a little nagging in the bonce about the strength of the join between fuselage and vac parts should it be required to remove it from said mounting....hate to see the magnets stronger than the plastic bond! Ian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Magnets, now that is just utter genius. Where as I just seem to get bogged down in all sorts of fuddididdity and unecessariness, you most definitely solutionise. Superb progress on the 119, and that ice cream looks like it could knock the socks of that car door stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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