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I seconded our dear Alien !

32°C here, in our usually moisturized tiny country !

As I already told it Dear Martian… In case of drought ! Save water, drink beer…:cheers:

CC very concerned in saving the crops ….:rofl2:

Sincerely. 

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14 hours ago, Martian Hale said:

I thought you were doing the B-17 next? 😕

I'm too damn lazy in this heat to read back to what I said but if memory serves dear M, it was that I was wavering between options. After some sober and mature reflection wild mental oscillations the idea of immediately leaping onto another big American bird after the Iron Chicken is more (I feel) than the tattered nerves can countenance.

 

Which is why the next show will be brought to you by the letter 'A' (nson)...

 

18 hours ago, corsaircorp said:

These engines look ace !!

Never tried it but it look very good indeed !

Must be one of the few things you haven't tried ya madman! :D

13 hours ago, Martian Hale said:

On a more and very temporary serious note, if the weather is as hot as it is down here in Poole, I would not rush into the paint stage at all. It would be a recipe for a disaster of a pebble dashed and orange peel genre and that would be criminal, given the promise this build shows and all the effort that has gone into it.

A serious point Martian which I'm glad you brought to the fore. We're a only bit cooler than yourselves down on the Dorset Riviera but with humidity topping out here at almost 90% at present I really think it would be foolish of me to attempt to colour anything in whilst conditions remain as they are. Even before sunrise and after sunset the moisture is hanging around - as far as this neck of the woods is concerned 'temperate martitime' -trans. as 'the first bit of land that all of the water sucked up from the Atlantic gets a chance to drop onto'...

 

There's plenty to do still on tidying and polishing the Chicken but I'm afraid this thread will be low on adrenaline until the heat and humidity drop. I'd wondered why I hadn't really found such things a problem before until realizing that this is the first build I've had to reach paint in the summer months.

 

Thanks for confirming my caution. 

13 hours ago, corsaircorp said:

CC very concerned in saving the crops ….:rofl2:

Except for hops it would seem.... 

Cheers! :winkgrin:

 

 

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I don`t blame you Tony for lay off spraying paint in this weather.

With so much time spent on the "Iron Chicken" it would be a shame to get an adverse effect.

 

She is looking so nice in her primer coat.

 

Simon.

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The utter hotness is one of several/many (choose your own favourite) reasons my builds have stalled

 

Paint on the Buccs not happening for a while, simply had too many paint doodahs already

 

When you do the Choock will you be pre-blacking the undercoat to get 'real' shiny or just paint over the grey for basic metallicness?

 

I have to admit that Alclad frightens me just a bit

 

Just a big bit more than a little bit too, it's such a powerful spirit based paint that I think I will be looking up some youtube how-tos for spraying it

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Looks excellent in the primer. I like the little farm of detail bits too - it's always good to have got them done before the end stage because I for one never feel like doing the fiddly bits after the paint's on.

 

Regards,

Adrian

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16 hours ago, corsaircorp said:

Save water, drink beer…:cheers:

The first sensible thing you have said in ages!

 

Martian 👽

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4 hours ago, Spookytooth said:

I don`t blame you Tony for lay off spraying paint in this weather.

With so much time spent on the "Iron Chicken" it would be a shame to get an adverse effect.

 

She is looking so nice in her primer coat.

You're very kind as always Simon. :thumbsup:

 

Having just spent the evening wrestling with a bracket to get the TV in the living room mounted up on the wall, I can share a selfie:

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4 hours ago, perdu said:

The utter hotness is one of several/many (choose your own favourite) reasons my builds have stalled

One doesn't blame one in the least.

It's the poor blighters over on Saharadesertmodeller I feel sorry for, never being able to paint anything....

4 hours ago, perdu said:

When you do the Choock will you be pre-blacking the undercoat to get 'real' shiny or just paint over the grey for basic metallicness?

I will indeed Bill:  a black Alclad Primer & Microfiller (my favourite) followed by some Alclad black gloss. There's enough going on visually with the Chicken's metally-bits though that I reckon some experimentation with decanted Halford's grey may be worth a lash at variation. I need to dig out a mule first though to avoid any unpleasant surprises.

4 hours ago, perdu said:

Just a big bit more than a little bit too, it's such a powerful spirit based paint that I think I will be looking up some youtube how-tos for spraying it

Very wise. This woman came home to find her husband had been holding his airbrush the wrong way round whilst spraying Alclad:

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Nasty...

4 hours ago, AdrianMF said:

I for one never feel like doing the fiddly bits after the paint's on.

I'm with you on that Adrian!

Is suspect that for many of us, keeping a mental picture of the aircraft (or indeed ship, tank & etc.) that you're building in your head for so long is taxing enough that it requires a positive flow of events to keep it energized to the point of closure.

Ooo-err. That was a bit 'Pseud's Corner'....

16 minutes ago, corsaircorp said:

An Anson is a brilliant idea Dear Baron !!

Try CC way of modelling, start it now !

:rofl2: I haven't the bloody energy that you've got!

Really Cc, you'll have all the responsibilities of being a grandfather soon and have to explain to a small child why the hip-rap gruntstep that their generation is listening to is nothing like as good as the heavy metal of your youth. :guitar:

23 minutes ago, corsaircorp said:

Anson and the Baron.... Great expectations ! :beer:

May I take a seat ??

There is always permanent seating available for you in my threads Cc... :winkgrin:

 

I'm researching the heck out of the Anson at the moment as I want to build the one from Boscombe Down that Y-Service used to detect the first Knickebein beams being used to direct German bombers over Britain in 1940. That great BBC series from the lkate 70s  The Secret War presented by William Wollard had a nice exposition on the discovery:

 

The pilot of the Anson Mk.1 concerned was a Flight Lieutenant H. E. Bufton (no relation @CedB?) and his radio op who picked up the beams a Corporal Mackie, but of the three aircraft loaned from Boscombe, I'll be damned if I can locate the serial number of the one Bufton was actually flying on the night of June 21st. I had pondered buying Ray Sturtivant's volume The Anson File as it sounds like the sort of detail he could confirm, but regrettably the prices for this are too high to be a practical proposition.

Hmmm.

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5 hours ago, TheBaron said:

 

 

Which is why the next show will be brought to you by the letter 'A' (nson)...

 

Must be one of the few things you haven't tried ya madman! :D

 

Except for hops it would seem.... 

Cheers! :winkgrin:

 

 

Aaaand to quote my friend Tom from Cork "And Barley my friend... Barley is life !!"

Should I mention that he was working mainly for Guiness.... :drink:

An Anson is a brilliant idea Dear Baron !!

Try CC way of modelling, start it now !

Anson and the Baron.... Great expectations ! :beer:

May I take a seat ??

sincerely.

CC

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1 hour ago, TheBaron said:

 

:rofl2: I haven't the bloody energy that you've got!

Really Cc, you'll have all the responsibilities of being a grandfather soon and have to explain to a small child why the hip-rap gruntstep that their generation is listening to is nothing like as good as the heavy metal of your youth. :guitar:

There is always permanent seating available for you in my threads Cc... :winkgrin:

 

I'm researching the heck out of the Anson at the moment as I want to build the one from Boscombe Down that Y-Service used to detect the first Knickebein beams being used to direct German bombers over Britain in 1940. That great BBC series from the lkate 70s  The Secret War presented by William Wollard had a nice exposition on the discovery:

 

The pilot of the Anson Mk.1 concerned was a Flight Lieutenant H. E. Bufton (no relation @CedB?) and his radio op who picked up the beams a Corporal Mackie, but of the three aircraft loaned from Boscombe, I'll be damned if I can locate the serial number of the one Bufton was actually flying on the night of June 21st. I had pondered buying Ray Sturtivant's volume The Anson File as it sounds like the sort of detail he could confirm, but regrettably the prices for this are too high to be a practical proposition.

Hmmm.

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Great idea Tony !

Even if a Yellow anson with some black stripes on the undersides would have been pleasant... At least to our Dear Alien... :rofl2:

No worries about music, with my son as a musicologist and Ex bass guitar in a trash metal band...

Now my kids will help me in that job, Madlyne is a great fan of Punk rock and Grunge

And Nicolas is an old school metalhead even at age 14... Great fan of AC DC (Bon Scott time of course)

I will look in my shelf, I read something about it in my old "Fana de l'aviation"

If Lt Bufton is a relative to Ced... That will be great... And adding an interest to the already interesting build !!

I suppose that there must be some weird aerial on this one Is'nt it ?

I will ask Pierre too, he also have a load of books.

Sincerely.

Oh many thanks for the permanent seat in the NBSC ! (National security beer council)

Just beside the Martian seat I presume ?? :rofl2:

CC

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3 hours ago, TheBaron said:

a black Alclad Primer & Microfiller (my favourite) followed by some Alclad black gloss. 

 

The one thing that stood out for me the first time I used Alclad Tony (& I'd been warned of this by our own General Melchett) is the surface the Alclad is to go on needs to be perfect - not nearly, but perfect! I thought I'd polished my gloss back to within an inch of its life, but the Alclad still managed to show up the finest dust spot or blemish in it. The paintjob still looked great in pics or from a few feet away, but look closely at it & all sorts of nasties were revealed!

 

Keith 

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On ‎7‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 11:34 PM, keefr22 said:

 

:dinosaur:  He says he's fine thanks - heat seems to reflect off the great beast. There was however another ice cream related incident earlier, it appears a Mr Whippy van, complete with driver & contents has gone missing in Swansea..... 

 

I'm keeping quiet about the couple of tyres & mangled steering wheel I found in the front garden.... not to mention the 'Match of the Day' tune that emanates from little T every time he burps :whistle:

 

K

Hello Keith !

Now look what little T has taught to my great Dane !!

nokya

She behave like a Velociraptor now !!

What could I do now :rofl2:

sincerely.

CC

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17 hours ago, TheBaron said:

The pilot of the Anson Mk.1 concerned was a Flight Lieutenant H. E. Bufton (no relation @CedB?)

Interesting! It's not a very common name but I have no idea... I've emailed my sister who's been looking at the family tree; you never know, it might lead to some more info.

 

Anson next? Nice...

 

Edit: I've just had a search (that's the morning gone) and found stories of 'the Bufton Brothers' that I didn't know existed. Probably not my relatives (TBC) but Sidney Osborne Bufton apparently came up with the idea of specialist crews to mark targets, later to be the Pathfinders, and Harry Emyln 'Hal' Bufton not only flew the first Knickebein beam interception (your Anson) but also the first Oboe guided mission. Cripes.

 

References that might be of interest about the Anson:

In ‘Hidden Weapons’ by Basil Collier - p150 (bottom) talks about the interception of the Knickebein beam

In Most Secret War by R.V. Jones too.

 

If they DO prove to be relatives I see some special builds in my future...

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I'm sure this must be wrong Ced, I had documentary evidence that Pathfinder missions were the brain child of Sgt Pilot Matt Braddock

 

It said so in my comics wot I read at school instead of doing arithmetic

 

Braddock of course spent much of his war helping boffins get their pesky little ideas fine tuned, I recall he helped a man who may have been a Mr Wallis to get his Tallboy bombs spinning to improve accuracy

 

In the mean time he dropped different coloured flares to confuse enemy target spoofers on those Pathfinding flights

 

Frankly it beats me why we don't have a special Memorial to him at RAF Hendon

 

Whattaguy

 

 

 

 

...

 

But it seems I may have been led astray and Braddock might not have been the guy I idolised as a lad

 

😂

 

Since Ced is an aviator of modern times I hope that the Bufton boys do turn out to be family

 

All for keeping it in the family fold, me

 

:)

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On 7/17/2018 at 8:02 PM, corsaircorp said:

No worries about music, with my son as a musicologist and Ex bass guitar in a trash metal band...

Now my kids will help me in that job, Madlyne is a great fan of Punk rock and Grunge

And Nicolas is an old school metalhead even at age 14... Great fan of AC DC (Bon Scott time of course)

Sounds like  a fantastic family Cc. :thumbsup:

Big question is - 'who gets to have their music the loudest?' 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊

On 7/17/2018 at 8:02 PM, corsaircorp said:

I will look in my shelf, I read something about it in my old "Fana de l'aviation"

Oooh! <raises eyebrow>

On 7/17/2018 at 8:02 PM, corsaircorp said:

I suppose that there must be some weird aerial on this one Is'nt it ?

They had to have VHF aerials fitted for the Hallicrafters sets, plus the electrical system needed turning from AC to DC to run the new radio receivers. As to what those aerials would have looked like... :shrug:

On 7/17/2018 at 8:02 PM, corsaircorp said:

I will ask Pierre too, he also have a load of books.

Top hole Cc - you are currently my favourite Belgian! :laugh: (Unless Pierre comes up with better references of course....)

 

22 hours ago, keefr22 said:

 

The one thing that stood out for me the first time I used Alclad Tony (& I'd been warned of this by our own General Melchett) is the surface the Alclad is to go on needs to be perfect - not nearly, but perfect! I thought I'd polished my gloss back to within an inch of its life, but the Alclad still managed to show up the finest dust spot or blemish in it. The paintjob still looked great in pics or from a few feet away, but look closely at it & all sorts of nasties were revealed!

I am now comprehensively paranoid about having such a dusty work room Keith...as was John Travolta in the movie The Boy in the Plastic Model :

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7 hours ago, perdu said:

Frankly it beats me why we don't have a special Memorial to him at RAF Hendon

We could crowdfund this Bill, what do you reckon? But it has to be Parliament Square as a location, surely?

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You could well be right Bill :) 

I found my reference here but it makes clear that his ideas on using "more experienced and skilled crews in locating and marking targets "was not well received by Bomber Harris who "considered Bufton to be his prime antagonist". Cripes!  

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Hello his Barony !

I think that Pierre @BS103 is promoted as your favourite Belgian Now

Unit Wireless Intelligence Development Unit WIDU 3

Ansons N9945, N9938 and L7967

Note N9945 crashed

This unit became 109th Sqdn

Sources "Beam Bombers, The secret war of 109 Sqd"

By Michael Cumming !

We will look for more on the subject

But knowing the serials will help in the researches.

Sincerely.

CC

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Some serious poltergeist activity on the home modem earlier resulted in the above post being cut-off mid-stride and Britmodeller (as well as other sites over in the UK) being mysteriously unavailable - lost in the land of Resolving Hosts. A fruitless couple of hours changing DNS entries and clearing cache mallarkey and I was beginning to suspect that my irksome  humour had finally been too much and the internet had refused me entry. Ludicrously - from the point of view of the male ego - Mr.s B arrived home and suggested it might be a problem with the wireless part of the router and to plug the laptop directly in with an Ethernet cable to give it a nudge. Of course I mustered as much bad grace and did so muttering variations on 'it won't be that simple'.

Well.

You can guess what happened.

She's going to be so smug all evening now it's working again. :laugh:

 

Where were we?

Yes, Keith passing on the General's warning about cleaning your Chicken thoroughly before applying the glitter:

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An extra-bright daylight bulb arrived for my new over-bench light fitting yesterday and By God does it show up every flaw when shone at a sharp oblique angle upon one's pride and joy.

A brilliantly accurate rendition of Pluto's surface, even though I say so myself:

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Shaved with a scalpel, smoothed with water and W&D paper:

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...followed by a Dremel polish and we're now smoothed down to the last few pocks here and there that need filling:

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Reckon it'll be Milliput for that because I don't want such thin layers of PPP to flake off later after getting Alcladded. Under primer now the various foil fairings are settling down quite nicely too, whilst all the flaps and ailerons and so forth need the same treatment over the next couple of days to get them all to the stage of a final filling like this and then...errr....hopefully it'll not be so humid at some point. Maybe

 

12 hours ago, CedB said:

Edit: I've just had a search (that's the morning gone) and found stories of 'the Bufton Brothers' that I didn't know existed. Probably not my relatives (TBC) but Sidney Osborne Bufton apparently came up with the idea of specialist crews to mark targets, later to be the Pathfinders, and Harry Emyln 'Hal' Bufton not only flew the first Knickebein beam interception (your Anson) but also the first Oboe guided mission. Cripes.

I wasn't aware of the Bufton brothers at all Ced until discovering a tantalizing excerpt from Chaz Bowyer's Bomber Barons up on Google Books. It looked like he was going to discuss them at length but sadly the following page wasn't reproduced so I've no idea what he subsequently said. :sad:

 

Thanks for those other references too! :thumbsup2: The R. V. Jones is excelllent isn't it? Alfred Price's Instruments of Darkness is another superb survey of the field.

 

As regards building this particular Anson, I'd been putting some feelers out around the Internet and a rather fortuitous email plonked into the inbox earlier - through a third-party it may be possible for me to speak with Gp/Capt Bufton's son!

It appears that he is in possession of his father's log books and I'm trying to suppress my excitement that this might include details of what he was flying on the evening of June 21st, 1940 as these don't seem to have been published anywhere until now. 

 

I've passed on details about what I'm hoping to achieve and now waiting hopefully with fingers crossed! :fingerscrossed:

It would be great to unearth this significant detail of aviation history but I'm conscious also of others' right to privacy. We'll see what happens.

 

Take care me buckos.

:bye:

Tony

 

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8 minutes ago, corsaircorp said:

Hello his Barony !

I think that Pierre @BS103 is promoted as your favourite Belgian Now

Unit Wireless Intelligence Development Unit WIDU 3

Ansons N9945, N9938 and L7967

Note N9945 crashed

This unit became 109th Sqdn

Sources "Beam Bombers, The secret war of 109 Sqd"

By Michael Cumming !

We will look for more on the subject

But knowing the serials will help in the researches.

Sincerely.

CC

We must have crossed posts in the ether....

 

Superb Cc! Your are indeed the living embodiment of Poirot my friend.

Please pass on my sincere thanks to Pierre!

Wait!

Is he on Britmodeller too? My memory is awful sometimes.

:thanks: so much both of you.

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Tony you do right to discard the potential use of PPP for the duties you have in mind

 

The stuff falls apart under any, even very mild pressure, having it provide a polishable surface for Alcladding?

 

Not a hope in Wednesbury...

 

Other semi-mythic locations are available

 

Welsh wyzzardry definitely called for herewith

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4 hours ago, TheBaron said:
8 hours ago, perdu said:

Frankly it beats me why we don't have a special Memorial to him at RAF Hendon

We could crowdfund this Bill, what do you reckon? But it has to be Parliament Square as a location, surely?

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Ah me, that was a true hero

 

Who had that book huh?

 

Apart from me of course  :)

 

Parliament Square? I had thought in the entrance of the Hendon museum shop but I am warming to the idea

 

Those brilliant drawings, don't they take you back huh...

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, perdu said:

 Those brilliant drawings, don't they take you back huh...

I actually remember having this copy:

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More visceral  nostalgia to be had here Bill:

http://www.victorhornetcomics.co.uk/braddock.html

 

Victor on a Monday, Warlord on a Thursday. And that anticipation of the Summer Specials....

 

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3 hours ago, TheBaron said:

... it may be possible for me to speak with Gp/Capt Bufton's son!

It appears that he is in possession of his father's log books and I'm trying to suppress my excitement that this might include details of what he was flying on the evening of June 21st, 1940 as these don't seem to have been published anywhere until now. 

Wow, that'll be amazing Tony - I'll let you know how my efforts go :) 

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Wow Tony the Chicken is looking good fella.   Glad you're feeling better now and feeling positive.   Some amazing work on the model.  

The Anson build sounds interesting too.  Great opportunity potentially if you can speak to his son too.

All the best 

Chris 

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