rob85 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Cookenbacher said: Off to a flying start Rob! Cheers cookie, oh spitfire king! I am merely a copy cat, a poor imitation of your work to be fair! in other news the mk XXII is pretty much together and the XIX would be but I am waiting for the enamel I used on the seat to dry.... pics in the morning Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 hours ago, CedB said: Great job Rob and thanks for the labels! They're looking good so far Buffing the iron with a brush and using it for highlights - genius! Top tip. This tip was brought to you by our proud sponsor CedB industries.... without their donation of mr hobby metal paint this would not have been possible Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 There he goes ... great start, Rob Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, giemme said: There he goes ... great start, Rob Ciao Cheers giemme! little thought I have had and would like the hive mind to help with, especially from people like @The Wooksta! ,@Cookenbacher Edited March 8, 2017 by rob85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Don't know what happened there... anyway chaps that know know a good amount about cutting up spitfires. With a mk ix, and turning it into a mk vc... the cowl isn't correct and the cooler needs changing.... so if I cut the cowl off, left it off and added a small merlin, changed the cooler would I basically have a mk vc?! Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 55 minutes ago, rob85 said: [...] so if I cut the cowl off, left it off and added a small merlin, changed the cooler would I basically have a mk vc?! Yes, although I think the converted MkIXs had wide cannon bulges and a slightly different top to the cowling and, 'early' elevators. They may also have had the Coffman starter bulge on the starboard lower front cowling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hmmmm cheers Simon, I may just buy a mk ix and find out.... worst case scenario is I have another mkix Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I think you've just described the reverse process of how the first Mk IX's were built from Mk V airframes. I think it should work just fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 If you can get your hands on an AZ MkIX or a Eduard 'early', I'm sure they'll have the bits you'll need (I'm certain in the case of the AZ, not so sure with the Eduard). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Beard said: If you can get your hands on an AZ MkIX or a Eduard 'early', I'm sure they'll have the bits you'll need (I'm certain in the case of the AZ, not so sure with the Eduard). The Eduard IXc has all three types of elevators; some late Spitfire Vcs had the narrow cannon bulges, so it will depend on the aircraft you build. The IXc early lower wing is better suited to doing a Vc (though the IX small carburetor intake looks similar to the Vc one, in actuality it's a fair bit different), though if you're doing a trop, you might want the IXc late to blend the beginnings of the Aero-vee intake/filter into the Vokes filter. But I'm the opposite of an expert on the differences in shape between the rear of the Aero-Vee and the Vokes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Procopius said: The Eduard IXc has all three types of elevators; some late Spitfire Vcs had the narrow cannon bulges, so it will depend on the aircraft you build. The IXc early lower wing is better suited to doing a Vc (though the IX small carburetor intake looks similar to the Vc one, in actuality it's a fair bit different), though if you're doing a trop, you might want the IXc late to blend the beginnings of the Aero-vee intake/filter into the Vokes filter. But I'm the opposite of an expert on the differences in shape between the rear of the Aero-Vee and the Vokes. As ever Mr P you raise a valid question.... what is the opposite of an expert? so I'm looking for a late mk ix with the fat cannon bugle option, do preferably an AZ or Eduard (not going to lie I will get whatever is cheapest ) hmmm I will look into this more I think. Cheers all Rob or I could save all this hassle and buy a sword vc Edited March 8, 2017 by rob85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Interesting thread Rob and nice start. Kind regards, Stix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, rob85 said: what is the opposite of an expert? Me. I probably have some early (or fat) bulges. Once I've had my tea, I'll have a look in the spares box. I might even have some early tailplanes and a short carburettor too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Well this one was going to be a volkes VC you see but then I was going to have all the panels off and the engine exposed... that said it might be a good idea to keep the volkes on as it means less scratch building? however it would be great if you did have the early tail planes Rob Edited March 8, 2017 by rob85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 I've had a lovely day today! just been pottleing round the my rather picturesque home town of malvern, had a coffee in the ground of the abby. Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr and some pic's of some Fat grey squirrels, thought I would get some before they are all poisoned to death in the cull to save the Red's (there is a great watership down style movie in there somewhere! ) Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr careful lads you cant be sure whats on those nuts... then had a giggle at the shop names Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr Sweet street, yes good name....chocolate avenue... hmmm could have done with more thought... popped to the art shop, god i love an art shop, these pastels are beautiful the pigments are amazing I will be getting a few next week me thinks Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr think of the weathering! I did however pick up these from a charity shop Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr classic! I have a had the week off and been looking after the kids as my wife (who is should really start reffering to as my ex-wife which is a bit of a killer) is in Paris visiting her sister, so lots of pottering and modeling time. I have also been treated like a 15 year old by my mother as for my birthday she took me out clothes shopping, what a lady, bought me loads... she was trying to convince me to by a 1/24 spitfire (harpers bizarre have them for £24 buy the way!!) ladies just dont understand its not about the size of the thing i suppose.... anyway i have done some modelling so here you are, forgive my above ramblings MK XXII: here are some better shots of the dry brushing Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr the light is catching it quite a bit there.... and then the internals in. Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr and the prop all done... Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr thats right i painted it Red! idiot, and its enamel so had to wait for it to dry out completely before repainting. I have to say though that is just one coat, great coverage! here it is with its first coat of sky Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr not so nice! anyway here she is all glued and sanded Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr its a mean mother! Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr It would appear that shot is pre-sanding! the seam does not exist anymore. Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr and thats were we leave her for now and move on to the MK XIX MKXIX: some internal shots (the keen eyed will notice the lack of control coloum, as is the way it was broken in two and sacrificed to the carpet monster for good luck... I'm sure you all do the same no?) Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr the seat is roughly mixed HU 60 and 33 enamel paint as i like to effect. Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr (sorry thats actally a bit of a crap photo) then she got buttoned up with a PRU Blue spinner (right first time! just needs its little grey nose tip) Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr followed by the little camera lense inserted through the bottom... like what the doctors do...no pic of that it would appear. Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr that spinner needs some work and here they are basking in the sun... Untitled by robert mulvey, on Flickr bit more work on the seems (glue went all over the wing root! ), thats where we are at so far ladies and gents... more to come over the next couple of days. Cheers all Rob 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'm out of likes Rob, but will donate some when I've been paid again . I enjoyed the little walk around Malvern. It looks very nice indeed. A lovely crisp day too. So the grey squirrels are being nuked? For a while I lived in Sheffield near the (lovely) Botanical Gardens. It was full of greys. I would grab a big bag of nuts every Sunday morning and go for a very pleasant walk, feeding thev already very fat little blighters up. I once got too close and the squirrel accidentally bit straight through the top of my index finger nail !! Ouch. I can assure you that this hurts a great deal and the ensuing infection isn't nice. My own fault; eyes on the sides of their heads and I was lucky that I was allowed to get close, given that in some parts of the world humans hunt, kill and eat squirrels. Good find on the DVD's! A lot of people knock Memphis Belle, but I think it's a good Sunday afternoon comfort film, with great shots of real life aircraft and good music in the dance hall sequence. Harry Connick Jr. is ok in my book, he makes model aircraft in the movie after all . I have been taking notes on the colours you've been using for the interior. I'm pretty green on modelling Spitfires and the Tamiya kit I have is asking me to mix three colours for the interior green. No, I think it will be the Humbrol like yours. Your mum sound wonderful! A 1/24 Spitfire and you declined . The last present my mother gave me was a home made peg-bag. In 1986 . I love her, but she's rather potty (runs in the family ). All the best TonyT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Great progress Rob I love the first pics, too - are you sure you live in England? Looks way too sunny Ciao Edited March 9, 2017 by giemme 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 A peg bag, interesting gift... home made though so that takes thought! Your probably out of likes as you used them up on liking all my other posts in the thread! I have been a little post happy to be fair. i currently have little space for the stash so a box that's nearly as big as one of my kids could take up valuable 1/72 space, the true scale as we know . She did confess she had wanted to buy me a kit but found them too expensive to justify... strange I said as they are about £7 for a nice little one but told her not to worry... turns out she was looking at the airfix car door typhoon for about £109, she's mad, surely common sense would have told her that most of my models are about 5 inches long there fore would not require a 3 foot box?? Any how I have enough to be getting on with, as I told her and she shouldn't worry about getting me kits. Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, giemme said: Great progress Rob I love the first pics, too - are you sure you live in England? Looks way too sunny Ciao It's practically the Amalfi cost down my way at the moment! I was thinking of slicking my hair back and buying an Alfa spider.... don't worry it won't last! Rob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 First of all: Malvern - you get to live there? Too beautiful for words in the eyes of this American. Second - the XIX and 22 look great, the cockpit sidewalls are especially fantastic. - I'm taking careful notes on the 22, as I'm hoping to start a couple next week. Third - I can't get the thought of making a Vc from an Eduard 'early' IX out of my head. I may have to copy you again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonl Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Nice work Rob.... Mind if I tag along? I'm currently building an Airfix MKI and MKIX and a Ventura Seafire MKXV..... So this will be of particular interest.... L 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Great stuff here too! Two together, umpteen to go... I like that dry brushing Rob, must give it a go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Whew! That was an epic last installment Rob. And possibly the only time anyone has managed to get a colonoscopy reference into a Spitfire build.... All looking very splendid, dry-brush and propellor-wise. I hope the mini-tour of Malvern is going to to become part of an occasional series of guided walks. Tony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) As you've found out,the Airfix 22 is a doozy(I've converted one to a Seaf.46 and another to a Seaf 47). The XIX,use the four spoke wheels unless you plan to add the required overwing bulges to accomodate them(12 inch wide wheels instead of 10.25) I was going to say that if you've a spare 22's prop,use it on the XIX,the supplied prop is a bit small. Prop diameters for Griffon engines: You're looking at 10 4" for the 46/47 Rotol Contra The XIV to XIX(5 blade/2 stage engines),XII and XVII(four blade/"short" Griffons) is 10' 5" The 21/45 & 22 are 11'(5 blade/2 stage engine) The 24 is 11 10"(5 blade/2 stage 2 speed engine) Airfix's Vb,still reputed to be one of the most accurate in shape and size of all 1/72nd "baby" Spits,with a fair bit of work still scrubs up well. Airfix's Vc wing?,no,no,no,no.It's horrendous and no where near correct.The Vc decal sheet is nice though. Revell's Vb is a nice little kit even if the prop is a bit off and there's no gull wing underneath(use the Airfix Vb parts?) Edited March 9, 2017 by Miggers 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Hi Rob, it's always the same. I go away for a few days and when I look again carefully, I find some insane threads, proving to me that madness is still a fashionable commodity... Thank god for that. I love your selection and it's gonna be fun. OK, it already is. Great show! JR 21 minutes ago, Miggers said: Airfix's Vc wing?,no,no,no,no.It's horrendous and no where near correct.The Vc decal sheet is nice though. Revell's Vb is a nice little kit even if the prop is a bit off and there's no gull wing underneath(use the Airfix Vb parts?) Hi Miggers, on the Revell Vb, in addition to the woes you describe, I find the shape of the spinner not quite right, possibly too "bulbous"... I did build the Pro Modeller boxing, but I suspect it is the same kit. Re the Airfix Vc wing, every person in the know (a select group, which I do not belong to, as an ignorant non-British when it comes to Spitfires' arcane knowledge) shoots that poor wing down in flames. I have just looked at it again, and I still cannot see what's so atrocious about it... Will someone put me out my misery? Cheers JR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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