oz! Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Hi guys, I'm starting the revell 1/32 typhoon Ib (cab door type) soon and need a bit of info....did the typhoon Ib carry rockets as well as bombs or was it just bombs and did it wear a full compliment of invasion stripes or were they just painted under the wings. Many thanks in advance.......Oz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Typhoon's are a surprisingly complex subject, but we do have Chris Thomas here. but in short, Typhon's could carry either bombs or rockets, but not both, and squadron usually specialised. Typhoons did have full invasion stripes, but a classic uninformed error is mistaking the previously used ID stripes that were only underwing see drawings at the bottom here from http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Camoflage-Markings/04-Hawker-Tornado-Typhoon which is still the best primer on the subject. If you want accuracy, then you are best off asking about the specific plane you want, Typhoons can be tricky, while nearly are Ib's, there are many detail changes, they can have car or bubble hoods, normal or Tempest type tail planes, 3 or 4 blade props, etc etc Finally if the Tiffie bug bites the Airfix1/24th bubble top kit is at the point in it's product life cycle that's it's been about cheap, lowest was £45 posted....... HTH T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think somebody will be along shortly to elucidate, but off the top of my head, since my copy of the Ducimus Typhoon Camouflage and Markings monograph is not immediately at hand, IIRC they could carry either bombs or rockets, but usually an individual airframe was designated as either a bomb or a rocket carrier, to dispense with installing/removing the bomb rack and pylon or the rocket rails. Be careful, as the original black and white underwing stripes were not 'invasion' stripes, as they were for recognition, and the black and white stripes were not equal in width. I am guessing if car door Mk 1b's were still in use during the D-Day invasion, then they would have had the equal width black and white invasion stripes painted on upper and lower wings and around the fuselage- later on, the stripes were removed from the upper wings and fuselage or painted over, and even later, were removed from the lower wings.. Then, you have to consider that 1b's could have standard/Tempest tailplanes, or car door/bubble canopy, or a three/four blade prop-.decisions, decisions! It's always best to try and find a photo of the one you want to model! Wait right here- one of the Typhoon experts will be along in a mo' as you guys like to say! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz! Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Thanks for the help gents, I picked the kit up for £10 so that's not too bad, I have a set of resin rockets which I would like to use but can't find much info about them being fitted to early models. Thanks again guys. P.S. would it be too much of a job to convert it to a bubble top?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I've read that the Typhoon could carry a mixture of 60lb and 25lb rockets but I have never seen photographic evidence, yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, oz! said: Thanks for the help gents, I picked the kit up for £10 so that's not too bad, I have a set of resin rockets which I would like to use but can't find much info about them being fitted to early models. Thanks again guys. P.S. would it be too much of a job to convert it to a bubble top?.. I think there was a bubble top conversion made by someone, have a google. eg http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal10/9301-9400/gal9400-Typhoon-Negley/00.shtm Quote This kit comes as the birdcage canopy version of the Typhoon but I always preferred the bubble top version. When I decided I wanted to do this conversion Tom's Modelworks was the only one that I could find that offered the conversion kit so I purchased it. This conversoin kit offered a vacu-formed canopy and the four bladed propeller but it didn't offer the HVAR rockets so I never put them on. I don't think this conversion kit is available anymore though. here's a build http://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/cleaver/tmctyph.htm But, from memory, the rocket firing Tiffies usually had the 4 blade prop and tempest tailplanes. If you really want a rocket Typhoon in 1.32nd, either wait for the planned Special Hobby kit, or be prepared to hunt out a conversion kit, but then you have the "dilemma" of how much work you want to put into a 40 year + kit, which is a bit basic, lacks detail and has raised panel lines.. I'd suggest that you might be better off just building it 'as is' and getting the SH kit if you still want the rocket version. If the kit is a recent issue then it should have decent decals eg https://www.scalemates.com/kits/945326-revell-85-4663-hawker-typhoon another build http://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/3241-revell-132-hawker-typhoon-vintage/ thogh the guy at the end uses the wrong markings (very late war/post war ) no, the early models were not fitted with rockets, as they were not used before early 1944 (from memory) For absolute chapter and verse, ask Chris Thomas. (or he will pitch in when he sees this) Airfix did a very useful Typhoon supplement by Chris Thomas, which I don't think is up any more, but folks will have saved this(I have, on another machine), but it was very in depth and covered all the detail changes, noting what changes came in with each serial batch. 1 hour ago, Tony C said: I've read that the Typhoon could carry a mixture of 60lb and 25lb rockets but I have never seen photographic evidence, yet! I didn't even try to touch on possible complications with rockets, for example the inital rails were the Mk.1, later replaced by the mk.3 type. Some late war Typhoons used a mix of drop tanks and rocket rails, and IIRC used doubled up rails. There have been threads on this here this thread http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234938660-colour-of-rockets-fitted-to-hurricane/ ended up as classic, with a selection of photos, diagrams and information on rockets that turns this into one of those which answer's questions you not even known to ask! Britmodeller at it's best. Ah, note this from Chris, which should answer your question Tony C Quote I've only seen the 25 lb RP (the ones with black/white heads) used by one squadron - 263 when it was engaged on anti-shipping work - although it is likely 137 Squadron used them as well as they were engaged in similar work at the same time. HTH T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) Hi This is avaiable for the canopy, http://www.squadron.com/1-32-Squadron-Canopies-Hawker-Typhoon-SQ9411-p/sq9411.htm there might be a uk supplier, or e bay, i think i got mine from a NZ hobby shop cheers jerry Edited February 1, 2017 by brewerjerry extra info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Re the combination of props and bombs: this was if anything the other way around, with the large tailplane aircraft (and all squadron aircraft with the 4-blade prop had the large tailplane) being delivered preferentially to the bomber units. Probably not exclusively. My understanding is that this was driven by the carriage of the larger 1000lb bombs, but discussion with Chris showed that he'd found no specific instruction to this effect. As the Revell kit has the three-blade prop and the small tailplane, you are perfectly safe with using rockets or the 500lb bombs. The 25lb AP head was intended for use against AFVs, but it was soon found in trials that it was more effective against shipping, and the 60lb head was more generally useful in ground attack work. Hence its appearance on 263 Sq when engaged in anti-shipping work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz! Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 thank you very much for all your help gentlemen in answering my questions, I'll start the riveting and repaneling process over the weekend... thanks again gents............regards oz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomtuu Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It's interesting that in the anti-shipping role the 25lb head rocket would curve upwards when striking the sea due to the difference in the densities of air and water. Thus crews where taught to aim just in front of a ship or U-boat to almost guarantee a "wet strike". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 @ Troy, there really isn't a recent issue of the kit, the last release by Bünde dates from the early 90s, I think, and had decals by Revell's dreaded local supplier. THe most recent US release also seems to be 2 decades old. Shame really, as it's a good kit. If I remember the kit correctly, the lower wing has indentations on the inside in the rocket rail pylon positions, but the rockets are nowhere to be seen. Probably Revell planned an alternative release, possibly even bubble, which Didn't materialise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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