canberra kid Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, 71chally said: Great work John, just know this will turn out as a very good 57! Thanks James, it's going to be a challenge but I'm hoping for a good result, at least the tail plans are ok on the old Airfix kit! John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 I've got one side of the fuselage re-scribed and the Italeri front fuselage temporarily attached, it's not looking too bad. Just to underline why I'm doing this, I've overlaid the new combined fuselage on the un modified Italeri kit to show just how bad it is. John 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 18 hours ago, canberra kid said: Just to underline why I'm doing this, I've overlaid the new combined fuselage on the un modified Italeri kit to show just how bad it is. The Italeri really let itself go a bit over the christmas leftovers... Nice work! Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 9 hours ago, Hook said: The Italeri really let itself go a bit over the christmas leftovers... Nice work! Cheers, Andre It is very fat Andre, not much you can do about it other than either ignore it or go for the Airfix option! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 I've made a bit of progress, the fuselage and nose are now re-scribed I've joind them up so I can make sure that every thing lines up and is square, I will need to adjust some of the lines, but over all not too bad. That's the first and hardest part done. John 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David H Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Wow. I never really had an eye for the "Shape" of the Canberra. Built the Italeri B-57 Ages ago. Rescribed it, too. However, i had no idea how "Off" it was compared to the Airfix kit. Learned something new today. -d- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 59 minutes ago, David H said: Wow. I never really had an eye for the "Shape" of the Canberra. Built the Italeri B-57 Ages ago. Rescribed it, too. However, i had no idea how "Off" it was compared to the Airfix kit. Learned something new today. -d- Hi David I think a lot of people are surprised at just how wrong the kit is,the back end was something that bothered me for some time but it wasn't until I went over it in detail that I worked out just how far out it was, but as I've said it still looks B.57 shape out of the box and the other 10 or so I have in stock will be built just as they come(ish) John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 I've put some filler on the fuselage, so whilst that is drying I thought I'd turn my attention to the wings, I wish I hadn't! as with the Italeri fuselage I always suspected there was something not quite right about the wings but as I was more bothered by the fuselage I never got around to checking the wings out fully. So other than the shallow wheel wells and the spurious detail, what else is wrong? Well' I've taken a photo of the Airfix wing and Italeri wing over layed on the most dymetuanal accurate drawing I know of and this is what it shows. As you can see the Italeri wing is well short on cord, the Aileron is a foot short and the span is under, the Airfix is not perfect but a hell of a lot closer. So It looks like I'm going to have to go with the Airfix wing now. Such fun!! John 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 I've dug out the Airfix and FROG B(I)8 wings to check them against the same plan and as you will see the FROG wings are as near as anything spot on! The new Airfix wings aren't that far off either, again a bit of a discrepancy with the span of the Aileron and the tip shape but otherwise quite close, now the thing is do I go FROG or Airfix? I'm thinking FROG, I will need to add wingtip lights which I have in stock, and wheel bays also I will not easily be able to drop the flaps but over all a better prospect. The wing is deeper on the FROG kit whach will mean I need to build fill the step whach I've done before and it's not that bad a job. John 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdonnell Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Hello again,John - The Textbook Build continues.Great work indeed and testament to your devotion to the subject, 😉👍 All the very best,Paul. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 1 hour ago, mcdonnell said: Hello again,John - The Textbook Build continues.Great work indeed and testament to your devotion to the subject, 😉👍 All the very best,Paul. Thanks Paul, when I started the build I thought it would be about 50/50 Airfix and Italeri but it looks like now it's just going to be the forward fuselage of the Italeri kit and a mix of Airfix and FROG, it's amazing how this kit escaped getting a panning when it came out but perhaps that was because it was before the intra web? John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 I have no intention of proferring advice on a Canberra in one of your threads John, but I would concur with the visual accuracy of the FROG wing there as the more pleasing, shape-and dimension-wise. Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 It always amazes me how some old kits seem to get dimensions and shapes just so, where as some newer kits feature some bloopers. Was it due to more rigorous measuring and planning of a kit, rather than relying too much on technology and concentrating on detail? At least the Frog B(I).8 lives on in the Revell box, I would use those wings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 As already said in another dedicated Frog thread, this company was so often ahead of its time! Most impressive build! JR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 7:36 PM, TheBaron said: I have no intention of proferring advice on a Canberra in one of your threads John, but I would concur with the visual accuracy of the FROG wing there as the more pleasing, shape-and dimension-wise. Tony Tony if you have advice don't hold back my friend, I agree, FROG it is! On 05/03/2017 at 7:56 PM, 71chally said: It always amazes me how some old kits seem to get dimensions and shapes just so, where as some newer kits feature some bloopers. Was it due to more rigorous measuring and planning of a kit, rather than relying too much on technology and concentrating on detail? At least the Frog B(I).8 lives on in the Revell box, I would use those wings. The FROG B(I)8 has long been regarded as a very accurate rendition, but it has fallen out of favor due to it's age and simplicity, but the wings are spot on as far as I can see. On 05/03/2017 at 7:58 PM, jean said: As already said in another dedicated Frog thread, this company was so often ahead of its time! Most impressive build! JR And so it proves to be! John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) I'm finding this very interesting having Airfix, Frog & Italeri Canberra's in stock. Would it be doable to use the Frog fuselage with the Italeri nose for a B-57, then all I'd need to do on the Airfix one is use the Aero nose correction set? Steve Edited May 7, 2017 by stevehnz spelling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I've not started my Italeri kit yet, but when I do I would love to put it on a diet at the back. Do you know of any good drawings John I could use to help me? Also, I can't remember what we said, but are you at Hinckley, or was it Cosford.. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see this done! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Hi John, So another Great build of a Canberra ( well sort of it's the U.S version ! I much prefer the U.K version but still a great aircraft !) Sorry I'm a bit late for this one but did eventually catch up. Some really good work you have done already my friend but just shows have different manufacturers differ with the same scale and same aircraft I suppose it goes for any kit really. Some great photos of your SIG at Huddersfield on the Airfix workbench site. I will look forward to seeing more progress keep up the good work Guy Edited March 7, 2017 by F4u 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 8 hours ago, stevehnz said: I'm finding thus very interesting having Airfix, Frog & Italeri Canberra's in stock. Would it be doable to use the Frog fuselage with the Italeri nose for a B-57, then all I'd need to do on the Airfix one is use the Aero nose correction set? Steve Steve, you could use the FROG fuselage and wings, you will need to quite a bit of work to convert it B,57 standard, are you familiar with what you would need to do? 7 hours ago, Radleigh said: I've not started my Italeri kit yet, but when I do I would love to put it on a diet at the back. Do you know of any good drawings John I could use to help me? Also, I can't remember what we said, but are you at Hinckley, or was it Cosford.. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see this done! Hi Radleigh I'll be going to Cosford, I'll bring the seats along with me, I have some plans on my site, but I'm trying to sort a new one out using my info. 1 hour ago, F4u said: Hi John, So another Great build of a Canberra ( well sort of it's the U.S version ! I much prefer the U.K version but still a great aircraft !) Sorry I'm a bit late for this one but did eventually catch up. Some really good work you have done already my friend but just shows have different manufacturers differ with the same scale and same aircraft I suppose it goes for any kit really. Some great photos of your SIG at Huddersfield on the Airfix workbench site. I will look forward to seeing more progress keep up the good work Guy It's good to have you along for the ride Guy! I know what you mean about the American Canberra, but she has grown on me over time, she'll never replace the mighty PR.7 as my all time favorite Canberra. I'm hoping one day Airfix or Revell, which would be more likely or one of the far east companies will bring out a new accurate B.57/Canberra. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, canberra kid said: Steve, you could use the FROG fuselage and wings, you will need to quite a bit of work to convert it B,57 standard, are you familiar with what you would need to do? John Not really but I haven't done much in the way of looking into this. I've seen an article of yours about updating the Italeri kit but not so much kit bashing & it occurred to me reading this thread, especially when the Frog wings came into it, maybe it was a way to go? I'm happy to confess to being as green as grass when it comes to the finer points of Canberra variant differences. Any pointers/links greatfully received but not at the expense of derailing this thread. Steve. Edited March 8, 2017 by stevehnz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 16 hours ago, stevehnz said: Not really but I haven't done much in the way of looking into this. I've seen an article of yours about updating the Italeri kit but not so much kit bashing & it occurred to me reading this thread, especially when the Frog wings came into it, maybe it was a way to go? I'm happy to confess to being as green as grass when it comes to the finer points of Canberra variant differences. Any pointers/links greatfully received but not at the expense of derailing this thread. Steve. Hi Steve I had a thought today, you can cross reference the differences using the Italeri fuselage but don't measure anything out from the Italeri kit to the FROG kit as it will probably be wrong! The nearest I've done to this has been two RB.57A's one in 1/72 and one1/48. 1/48 EB.57A and Oriental Heartthrob, RB.57A-1 I'd forgotten about my RB.57A-1 I'll be doing virtually the same thing on this build, FROG wings and Airfix fuselage. There is also plans and drawings on my site IPMS UK Canberra SIG I hope that helps? but any questions feel free to ask. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Now I've made the decision to go FROG with the wings I've had to go through the marking out for re scribing process all over again. Whilst I was about it I took the opportunity to checkout in more depth the accuracy of the FROG wing, and they do measure up very well in all dimensions and even the panel detail is very good. I've also marked out the missing bits from the British wing too such as the extra landing lights position for the fuel vapor vent mast's and the underwing pylons for the TFR pod. The pencil line is just a guide for the scribing which will be much neater! John 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Though it true pride comes before a fall, I must say I'm quite chuffed with the new wings, although it's hard to see on the photos I think I've made a better job the second time around, What you say? John 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Those wings look great, neat and tidy Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, Hamden said: Those wings look great, neat and tidy Roger Thanks Roger, I'm quite pleased with them John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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