general melchett Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Quote How many Tu-128Ms used the Tu-128 fin ? Good point, that was something I noticed on the box art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 How many Tu-128Ms used the Tu-128 fin ? AFAIK - none - as the Tu-128M was converted from Tu-128 airframes.... From Yefim Gordon's 'Soviet Heavy Interceptors' (Red Star Vol 19)...... "The conversion of operational Fiddlers to Tu-128M standard took place at the PVO's overhaul plants, using the two prototypes as pattern aircraft" and.... ".......fitted with the new R-846 radio, accordingly the fin was modified to feature a horizontally cut-off dielectric fairing instead of the original all-metal angled tip. The entire fleet was upgraded to Tu-128M standard within a relatively short time." Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Hopefully the UT will have the correct fin as all except the prototype had the horizontal fin cap due to the R-846... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 There are scale drawings in a 1997 issue of Aviatsia i Vremiya. It's marked Tu-128M yet the old fin is represented. It's likely Trumpyboss followed blindly the drawings... the usual "no research, just 2D-to-3D conversion". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I smell kitbashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) So, four possibilities... Tu-128 fighter with raked fin tip. Tu-128UT prototype trainer with raked fin tip. Tu-128UT production trainer with flat fin tip. Tu-128M fighter with flat fin tip. Just swap the fins around - it looks easily do-able - as long as the flat fin tip is provided in the Tu-128UT kit. Thinks.... with a Trumpeter and 4 Fiddlers, you can make music Sorry.... I'll get my coat. Ken Edited September 18, 2018 by Flankerman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Flankerman said: So, four possibilities... Tu-128 fighter with raked fin tip. Tu-128UT prototype trainer with raked fin tip. Tu-128UT production trainer with flat fin tip. Tu-128M fighter with flat fin tip. Just swap the fins around - it looks easily do-able - as long as the flat fin tip is provided in the Tu-128UT kit. Thinks.... with a Trumpeter and 4 Fiddlers, you can make music Sorry.... I'll get my coat. Ken ... or some plastic sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofiane1718 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Seen on facebook: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Instructions are up https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10549092 Robert 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Now, that seems pretty good from here. looking forward to getting both versions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXANTOMCAT Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Might have to get one for the stash in the attic. Thereby ensuring there is a Fiddler IN the roof. TT 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 5 hours ago, TEXANTOMCAT said: Thereby ensuring there is a Fiddler IN the roof. Nice one !...... Ken 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXANTOMCAT Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 17 hours ago, Flankerman said: Nice one !...... Ken Good job it wasnt armed with SS-27's (Topol -M 's) Seriously, getting my coat now.... TT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Lambess Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 2:11 AM, TEXANTOMCAT said: Good job it wasnt armed with SS-27's (Topol -M 's) Seriously, getting my coat now.... TT If I were a Rich man ild definatly buy one now 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeart Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 11:57 PM, general melchett said: Good point, that was something I noticed on the box art! Dear General, i also painted the box art of the Tu-128M too...there were Tu-128M's fitted with the old type fin, but also there were airframes with the late type fin..the one machine i painted in the box art, was using the old type, but i have read somewhere that a lot of Tu-128's were fitted with the late type when they were having overhaul service!!!...🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 See my post #77. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Thanks Kostas, appreciate that. Apparently, in 1971, four standard Tu-128s, with the original cut-off fin tips were set aside for conversion into UT trainers and these all successfully passed their air test. During the same year ten production UT trainers came off the production line fitted with the new fin-tip design housing the R-846 radio), these were the final Fiddlers built. I can find photos of two of the original aircraft, one the unnumbered first prototype and the other 15 Blue, but nothing on the other two. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramiel Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hi everyone. Definitely wrong shape of this little window: Was it really a problem for Trumpeter to find a photo of the real plane?: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ramiel said: Was it really a problem for Trumpeter to find a photo of the real plane?: Like... ... ? Edited October 22, 2018 by Laurent 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramiel Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 So there were two types... - my mistake. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Ramiel said: So there were two types... - my mistake. Sorry. Phew! Really want this kit to be an accurate one as it's on my wish-list of types and Trumpeter, let's be honest here, have gained themselves something of a reputation over the last few years 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 From Yefim Gordon's 'Soviet Heavy Interceptors' (Vol 19 in the Red Star series)...... "At least the first eleven production batches had trapezoidal windows in the inter-canopy frame section" Later batches had the circular windows. So - check your references as to which airframe you are depicting... Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeart Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 8:19 PM, general melchett said: Thanks Kostas, appreciate that. Apparently, in 1971, four standard Tu-128s, with the original cut-off fin tips were set aside for conversion into UT trainers and these all successfully passed their air test. During the same year ten production UT trainers came off the production line fitted with the new fin-tip design housing the R-846 radio), these were the final Fiddlers built. I can find photos of two of the original aircraft, one the unnumbered first prototype and the other 15 Blue, but nothing on the other two. Cheers Hello there!!! Thanks for the information!! Those Russian airplanes, especially in the 50's, 60's and 70's are so hard to locate information!! Even the camouflage patterns, are so different form one airplane to the other, even if they belonged in the same Base and in the same squadron!! Have a nice day!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVW Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) Hello, Got my kit earlier this week and have been toying with it some hours. The quality of the engraving is similar to their MIG-31kits. Overall, the kit looks like a Tu-128, but I’m not sure about its proportions. For reference I have the book “Soviet Heavy Interceptors” by Yefim Gordon (Midland, 2004, ISBN 1857801911) and the magazine Aviatsi Vremja 02/1997 (sorry for my spelling). When copying the plans exactly to 1/72 (at least against the published dimensions), the kit is too long and wide in span. On my opinion, the plans are somewhat distorted, too. The radome on the drawings seem far too long and wheel base too short. My (still suspected) shortcomings of the kit are: - Radome too long by about 10mm - Width of the wings at the root about 3mm too long and no upward kink of the leading edge close to the fuselage. - Landing gear pods on wing of, at least, questionable shape After some digging in the internet I came across a drawing from a Tu-128 manual, showing some more dimensions (see below). My point is dimension 15’888 circled in red: Where does this dimension lead to? I assume its leading to the tip of the radome/nose, which would confirm my assumption of the kits radome being too long at least 10mm. Can anyone decipher the Russian text in front of 15’888? I hope this gives an indication where this dimension leads to. Regards, Martin Edited November 17, 2018 by MVW copy and paste error 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I can't vouch for their accuracy or scale, but there are 4 different sets of Tu-128 drawings here :- http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw_fn.html Happy Fiddling Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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