shatters Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Morning all, For my next project I plan to build an Airfix 1/72 Buccaneer from 16 Squadron RAF during the 70's.To show the RAFG Buccaneers role as an overland strike aircraft I wish to show an external bomb load of 1000lb iron bombs. My questions are can the Buccaneer carry 3 1000lb bombs on each of the underwing pylons, total load 12000lbs ? Are the iron bombs from Revell's Tornado gr1 suitable ? And where can I obtain the suitable bomb carriers ? Many thanks in advance Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boffin Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The answer (I think) is yes but. Their is a photo of trails installation of XV350 fitted with 4 Triple Election Racks (TER) each with 3 x 100lb free fall bombs. However this was a trial installation and led to a long take off run. The option was not taken up by the RAF on cost grounds. (source Buccaneer by Tim Laming) George 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) I think that service Buccaneers would only carry 4 x 1000lb bombs underwings on four hardpoints. Looking at pics, the common 'daily' load for 16 Sqn Buccs seems to be 2 CBLs and slipper tanks, or 1 CBL and an ECM pod. 16 squadron was WE177 (nuke capable), so assuming this would translate to 1 (with ECM pod) or 2 WE177 bombs externally in war use. Edited December 4, 2016 by 71chally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The Buccaneer could carry four 1000lb'ers internally and given the shorter range required flying from Germany, not sure they would carry any externally, just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMP2 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Found this photo - The triple bomb carriers are very similar to the US TERs that can be found in Hasegawas weapons sets. EDIT - found a book excerpt with a photo and caption too that may help a little, seems they maybe got trialled with up to 12 external 1000 pounders - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YH6h8ND6t8EC&pg=PA71-IA10&lpg=PA71-IA10&dq=buccaneer+1000lb&source=bl&ots=3pOOXlI1F1&sig=m7hwtNA0fGyIOfnr9cAGDUKSQW4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjy92FyNrQAhVJ1SwKHb_XAYMQ6AEIVTAI#v=onepage&q=buccaneer 1000lb&f=false Edited December 4, 2016 by RMP2 Added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Evil Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I think in theory they could, but in practice unlikely. IIRC four in the bomb bay, slipper tanks and either another couple or AAM/ECM on the outboards was more typical. The online bible below might give you inspiration, over 100 weapon loadouts listed... http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/Contents.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The 1970's was a transition period for the Bucc' fleet, changes in colour scheme with the introduction of wrap-around camouflage and you'd have to look at the timing of the introduction of any ECM pods etc. For instance, it may be inappropriate to model an early 70's Bucc' with a late 70's fit. Your best bet as always, is to look at lots of pictures from that period and base your model on those, if that raises more questions ask here adding the links (which would be most helpful). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Dr Evil said: I think in theory they could, but in practice unlikely. IIRC four in the bomb bay, slipper tanks and either another couple or AAM/ECM on the outboards was more typical. The online bible below might give you inspiration, over 100 weapon loadouts listed... http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/Contents.html That site helps loads, will settle for 3 x 1000lb and ecm pod for 16 squadron, thanks for all the replies everyone. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koala Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The triple bomb carriers were as far as I am aware were not used on the squadrons . That particular role fit also included 4x1000lb in the bomb bay, total 16000lb . However the view at the time was it would need to air to air refuel soon after take off having only internal fuel,plus the RAFG aircraft did not have refuelling probes fitted. Regarding the ECM pod there was one on each wing leading edge 2/3 out from the wing fold hinge, these were replaced by pylon mounted pod 76/77 around the same time the bomb door tanks arrived.Another armanent fit could be a Paveway trials a/c with an aquisition pod on from memory was on the port outer pylon,and the Paveway bomb 1000 pounder on the stbd outer this was about mid 79. KOALA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Evil Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 22 minutes ago, Koala said: The triple bomb carriers were as far as I am aware were not used on the squadrons . That particular role fit also included 4x1000lb in the bomb bay, total 16000lb . However the view at the time was it would need to air to air refuel soon after take off having only internal fuel,plus the RAFG aircraft did not have refuelling probes fitted. Regarding the ECM pod there was one on each wing leading edge 2/3 out from the wing fold hinge, these were replaced by pylon mounted pod 76/77 around the same time the bomb door tanks arrived.Another armanent fit could be a Paveway trials a/c with an aquisition pod on from memory was on the port outer pylon,and the Paveway bomb 1000 pounder on the stbd outer this was about mid 79. KOALA Small point, the wing leading edge pointy fairings were passive warning, not active ecm systems, the fairings and pylon mounted ALQ-101 pod were both still in use at the end of the Buccs RAF service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 For something "different" you could always stick an AIM-9 on each outboard pylon. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Generally speaking by the time RAFG Buccs got the AiM9 they would carry the AN/ALQ101 on the opposite outboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The RAFG Buccs offensive load was usually carried in the bomb bay (not a 100% rule, but mostly). Slipper tanks were the norm due to no inflight refuelling. Early 70's could have more mud moving goodies on the outboard pylons, ( Matra rocket pods etc) After the ALQ101 ECM pod intro, O/B's would have ECM & AIM 9B. Note that the RAFG Buccs had the remaining stocks of 9B's for exclusive use. The ECM was on the port O/B & AIM 9 on the stbd. This was the opposite way round to the usual fit of the UK Sqns! A note on WE177 carriage. They were never carried external. Only on stations 9 & 10 in the bomb bay. These were side by side in the middle to allow fitment of aerodynamic fairings at the front & rear of the bomb bay. Stns 9 & 10 were purely "special" weapon carriage. Rob. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) For the 1970's time period Any 1000lb bombs you use should not have a proximity sensor nose or adaptor ring fitted between the tail and the bomb body as these were features introduced with Tornado in the early 1980's. Tornado kit bombs may have one or both fitted. This picture shows both of these items they are the shiny ring and the shiny nose, the MACE suspension lugs are tornado only, buccaneer would have the more usual bail type lugs as well. http://media.photobucket.com/user/AucklandRanger/media/Gulf Photos/BombsatHAS3.jpg.html?filters[term]=1,000lb&filters[primary]=images&filters[secondary]=videos&sort=1&o=2 Selwyn Edited December 4, 2016 by Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 15 hours ago, Phone Phixer said: A note on WE177 carriage. They were never carried external. Only on stations 9 & 10 in the bomb bay. These were side by side in the middle to allow fitment of Good point, I had forgoten about that station 9 & 10 only bit, so essentially the 16 Sqn Buccs would have been clean in combat (apart from slipper tanks)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 hours ago, 71chally said: Good point, I had forgoten about that station 9 & 10 only bit, so essentially the 16 Sqn Buccs would have been clean in combat (apart from slipper tanks)? I'd say an AN/ALQ-101 would be likely as well. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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