RAF Herald C Mk.1 in 1/144

[Graham Boak]

Does anyone know the fuselage diameters for the Herald and the Andover/HS748?  I just had one of those ideas for taking the rear fuselage off the Welsh Models Andover and putting it on the Welsh Models Herald, with no doubt some other modifications to the tail feathers.  I know the Herald had a wider fuselage than the Friendship, and I suspect that the HS748's was also narrower, but would that be sufficient to be seen (or to make x-kitting unworkable) in 1/144?

 

After all, the Herald was the favoured choice for the job on technical/operational grounds, but (as always) other features came into play.  I suspect that my model shelf, like the RAF, is not going to get its military Herald, but I thought it worth at least posing the question.

[cngaero]

I can't offer any advice on this one Graham, but I'm eager to see the result. 

I've always thought that the Herald would suit RAF colours.

[Max Headroom]

Here you go!

 

http://www.flyairnorth.com/images/fleet_hs748_cargo1.gif

 

Trevor

[Aeronut]

IIRC the Herald's cross section wasn't circular it had a chained section to give it a flatter curve on the underside.

Also, I have Page's brochure for the military variant of the Herald, so Graham if you PM me your e-mail address I can scan the best bits and send them to you....... Once I discover where I put it.

[Graham Boak]

So it did (chined bottom).  However, I suspect that the 748 did have a narrower fuselage.  If this doesn't make the whole thing unworkable, then the necessary fudging to get the rear end on may well cover up this discrepancy.  The whole exercise may become that awful combination of too great a price and too much work... I can usually cope with one or the other but both would be discouraging.

 

Did you see the recent article on procurement process for this requirement?  Apparently it started with an Army interest in the Caribou (RAF WIF for someone?), but this was too small and large numbers would have been needed.  Amongst the other options considered were a mixed fleet of Heralds and 12 Rotodynes, but as it only required 3 extra Heralds do do the same job, that didn't last. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by Graham Boak

[bzn20]

 

Here you go a Dart Herald Cutaway from Flight 2/5/1958. The fuse diameter is mentioned on the bottom of the two links.

 

 

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1958/1958 - 0592.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1958/1958 - 0593.html

[Graham Boak]

OK thanks to all: the answer is that it is a lot wider and the idea won't work - at least, not easily.  Never mind, it was worth trying.

[bzn20]

HS748 from Flight gives 8 foot 1" internal cabin max. I assume that's the widest because the floor would make it less. From Flight November 1960

Top two are the cutaway the bottom link gives dimensions

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1960/1960 - 2662.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1960/1960 - 2663.html

 

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1960/1960 - 2661.html

[Graham Boak]

This shows disagreement with Max Headroom's source, which is a little confusing in itself.  Picking the most "optimistic", and doing a little mental arithmetic, that's only a couple of mm in scale so perhaps a little distortion could be usefully adopted?   Which rather suggests that any difference in the actual model width would be at least as important as the full-scale dimensions.

[bzn20]

3 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

This shows disagreement with Max Headroom's source, which is a little confusing in itself.  Picking the most "optimistic", and doing a little mental arithmetic, that's only a couple of mm in scale so perhaps a little distortion could be usefully adopted?   Which rather suggests that any difference in the actual model width would be at least as important as the full-scale dimensions.

 

That Drg..the centre of the fuse for the width dimension isn't the centre of the circle/fuse, it gets a gnat's wider. The internal dimension Flight gives at 8 foot 1" is probably the correct internal width. What the external Fuse width could be another 6"- 8 " depending depth of Frames. The Avro/HS780 might have been beefed up too.

[bzn20]

Found some more in Flight archives...1962 this time..HS748 and Dart Herald. HS748 Internal given as 97 inches. Herald's internal ,104"

748

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1962/1962 - 2832.html

Herald

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1962/1962 - 2852.html

 

Key's for both Drgs

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1962/1962 - 2830.html