RN Hurricane help

[Pappy]

G'day people,

 

I normally build jets so this is out of my area.

 

I have the 1/48 Airfix Hurricane Mk.1B Tropical kit.  I also have a Model Alliance Decal sheet (Hurricanes in RAF and Commonwealth service Part III). There is  scheme for a RN 880 SQN FAA Sea Hurricane Mk.1 based at RNAS Arbroath, Scotland - 1941

(Rego: P314 'M') which looks like it was not fitted with an arrestor hook or cable pulleys.

 

Is this correct or will I need to add the hook and pulleys?

 

My second question is which prop should I use for this version as the kit includes two versions of three bladed prop and two spinners. One prop has blades with a wider cord. I know that there were two types of prop fitted to early Hurricanes, a Rotol and another variant but I don't know which is which. It looks like the 880SQN Sea Hurricane is using a shorter, pointy spinner as opposed to the longer more bulbous version.

 

Finally, what colour would the undercarriage bay and undercarriage be painted? It looks like the standard colour on early Hurricanes was aluminum (painted?), would this also apply in this case or did the Royal Navy follow different practice?

 

The option I want to build has Med Sea Grey underside and fuselage sides with a high fuselage demarcation line, topped with a disruptive slate grey/dark sea grey upper camo scheme.

 

Sorry for all the dumb questions,

 

regards,

 

Pappy

[Grey Beema]

If I get a chance (and no one else has answered by then) I'll take a butchers n my reference materials later and see if I can find out anything..

[theplasticsurgeon]

One of the Sea Hurricanes I've built had no hook.  This is the ancient Revell kit of Hurricane I.

Confirmed by photo, I think used for advanced fighter training. Same photo showed 3 very tired Sea Hurricanes - each with a different propeller.

Edited October 23, 2016 by theplasticsurgeon
photo

[Simon Cornes]

Wait for Troy or Tonyot to chip in. I think the airframe you are talking about was not navalised and it was used as a trainer so no deck landing bits, more like an RAF Mk I in fact. I think the prop and spinner will be for the de Havilland version and watch that lower surface grey, its not msg, it will be Sky Grey, maybe Cirrus Grey ( I think that's the same thing but I'm sitting in the kitchen talking off the top of my head but the aforementioned Troy or Tony will give you precise chapter and verse! I stand aside!!

 

Simon

[Graham Boak]

That's an incomplete serial: I've been unable to track down what it could be - possibly P8314 but in that case this part of its history is missing.  There were a number of P-serialled Hurricanes in the FAA, as well as Sea Hurricanes,  but if it was a Sea Hurricane Mk.Ib (i.e. spools and hook) then it had to have the metal DH propeller.  This is the smaller conical one with more shapely blades - the other with broad blades is the wooden Rotol.  Looking in Sturtivant's FAA Aircraft, there are no P-serialled Hurricanes or Sea Hurricane Mk.Ia listed for 880 Sq.

 

I have seen something about this aircraft, perhaps in an old Scale Aircraft Modelling.  It was used by 880 Sq in 1941 March to July 1941 before embarking on HMS Furious with SH Mk.,Ibs  in July.  The assumption has been of a Sky Grey underside/sides, possibly because a similar scheme had been assumed (wrongly) for Hurricanes going to Norway.  However this colour was replaced by Sky in September 1940, well before the Hurricane appeared in the FAA. 

 

Just thought of another source: Sturtivant's FAA Squadrons has a photo of five 880 Sq Hurricanes, three of them in this scheme.   However the only visible serial is W3219, and no codes can be seen because the wings get in the way.  (Other serials should be visible on the original print.)  Another serial given in the text is V6881, which is described as a SH Mk.Ia.  This is confirmed in FAA Aircraft: W3219 however is indeed not a Sea Hurricane Mk.Ib.  This flight of five are described as being among nine Sea Hurricanes Mk.Ia: if correct this means that they will have the catapult spools but not the arrester hook.  One of the aircraft in the photo has the blunt Rotol spinner, but this has the low demarcation of the uppersurface camouflage.  Another may have the pointy DH spinner, the other three have the later bullet-shaped Rotol, more usually seen on Hurricane Mk.IIs.

 

Cirrus Grey was used prewar for metal parts (usually the engine cowling) on fabric-covered aircraft.  It is another light grey, but not the same as Sky Grey.  However, I don't think that I've seen a Stores Reference number for Cirrus Grey.

Edited October 23, 2016 by Graham Boak

[Nick Millman]

11 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

 

Cirrus Grey was used prewar for metal parts (usually the engine cowling) on fabric-covered aircraft.  It is another light grey, but not the same as Sky Grey.  However, I don't think that I've seen a Stores Reference number for Cirrus Grey.

 

33B/213 - but Cerrux Grey was a proprietary name and the later stores paint was simply designated as Light Grey and considered to be a primer paint for magnesium alloys and not a camouflage colour, something similar to RLM 02 in formulation and usage although not in hue.

 

Nick

Edited October 23, 2016 by Nick Millman
Cirrus corrected to Cerrux

[tango98]

From beginning to the end of production the protective finish instructions for all Hurricanes and Sea Hurricanes stated that undercarriage bays and the insides of the undercarriage doors was to be aluminium.

Nevertheless there were exceptions to this as evidenced by period photos that show the relevant undersurface colour would be extended to include the u/c bay and sometimes, the inner door faces e.g. Early where the undersurface of one wing was painted black, desert camouflaged Mk IIs where the azure blue was also sprayed in the wheel bays. European based Hurricanes  often had the bays finished in the undersurface grey. However, these latter two (according to the documents in my files) usually only occurred during major servicing/refinishing in order to save on cost/man hours and to expedite completion of the work.

As far as Sea Hurricanes were concerned this inclusion of the undersurface colour into the wheel bays may have occurred more frequently as an added protection against the elements more so than for land-based aircraft.

 

HTH

Dave

Edited October 23, 2016 by tango98
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[Troy Smith]

On 23/10/2016 at 07:52, Pappy said:

G'day people,

 

I normally build jets so this is out of my area.

 

I have the 1/48 Airfix Hurricane Mk.1B Tropical kit.  I also have a Model Alliance Decal sheet (Hurricanes in RAF and Commonwealth service Part III). There is  scheme for a RN 880 SQN FAA Sea Hurricane Mk.1 based at RNAS Arbroath, Scotland - 1941

(Rego: P314 'M') which looks like it was not fitted with an arrestor hook or cable pulleys.

 

Is this correct or will I need to add the hook and pulleys?

 

My second question is which prop should I use for this version as the kit includes two versions of three bladed prop and two spinners. One prop has blades with a wider cord. I know that there were two types of prop fitted to early Hurricanes, a Rotol and another variant but I don't know which is which. It looks like the 880SQN Sea Hurricane is using a shorter, pointy spinner as opposed to the longer more bulbous version.

 

Finally, what colour would the undercarriage bay and undercarriage be painted? It looks like the standard colour on early Hurricanes was aluminum (painted?), would this also apply in this case or did the Royal Navy follow different practice?

 

The option I want to build has Med Sea Grey underside and fuselage sides with a high fuselage demarcation line, topped with a disruptive slate grey/dark sea grey upper camo scheme.

 

Sorry for all the dumb questions,

 

regards,

 

Pappy

There are 5 possible props on early Hurricanes

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/

 

A shore based Mk.I of the P3*** range  as opposed to a actual Sea Hurricane would most likely have a Spitfire rotol

like this famous shot

Hawker Sea Hurricane Mk.1a by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

perhaps more later, no time at the mo

 

[iang]

9 hours ago, Pappy said:

 

 

I have the 1/48 Airfix Hurricane Mk.1B Tropical kit.  I also have a Model Alliance Decal sheet (Hurricanes in RAF and Commonwealth service Part III). There is  scheme for a RN 880 SQN FAA Sea Hurricane Mk.1 based at RNAS Arbroath, Scotland - 1941

(Rego: P314 'M') which looks like it was not fitted with an arrestor hook or cable pulleys.

 

 

There was no such aircraft with 880 Sqn at RNAS Arbroath, according to the Squadron Diary. I've included an extract below that I've transcribed, of the period at Arbroath before the Squadron departed for St Merryn on July 1st 1941.

 

880 Squadron History for Hurricanes/Sea Hurricanes, 3/41-9/42.

Dates refer to time that aircraft first taken on charge.  Details from squadron record book (SRB), ships log (SL), Report Rear-Admiral Aircraft Carriers (RAAC), combat reports (CR) and flying log books (FLB) unless otherwise indicated.

 

 

Date                Aircraft          Fate

 

1941                Arbroath

 

March 15        W9220                        to store July 29/30

                        W9219                        to store July 29/30

                        W9218                        damaged landing March 15: u/s

March 29        W9216                        to store July 29/30

                        W9221                        overshot runway July 1; to store July 29/30

April 6              V6881                         damaged landing April 6: u/s

April 15            W9223                        to store June 16

 

May 31           5 Hurricanes (sic) on strength: Presumed: W9220, W9219, W9216, W9223, W9221

 

June 5              V7675             to store July 29/30

V7244             collided with SWF on take off 10/11 June, written-off,  to store June 16

June 8              V6952             to store July 29/30

                        N2367             wheels up landing July 1.  Cat X (Sturtivant)

June 13            P3925             accident taxiing June 16: u/s, to store June 27

                        R4214             to store July 29/30

June 27            V6541             to store July 29/30. Coded N Photograph, Hurricane at War 2  (though may not be with 880 at the time)

 

June 29                        9 Hurricanes (SLB consistently refers thus, though SH conversions without hooks) to St Merryn via Lee on Solent.

 

            Presumed: W9220, W9219, W9216, W9221,V7675, V6952, N2367, R4214, V6541.

 

 

 

HTH,

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[iang]

5 hours ago, Nick Millman said:

 

33B/213 - but Cirrus Grey was a proprietary name and the later stores paint was simply designated as Light Grey and considered to be a primer paint for magnesium alloys and not a camouflage colour, something similar to RLM 02 in formulation and usage although not in hue.

 

Nick

 

I think you chaps mean Cerrux Grey?

[Troy Smith]

the scheme on the sheet is for P3114, (though it says so here)

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ML48149

 

 

 

the scheme has been discussed, as illustrated it has a De Havilland propeller, though from photos all Hurricanes of the P**** batches after P27** in the UK have had the Spitfire Rotol fitted

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/46595-sea-hurricane-colours/

 

if it was converted to a Sea Hurricane IB, with a hook, then the DH prop was fitted as it was heavier.

 

I have never seen a photo of a Hurricane with the high sky sides, one apparently exists,  but not in any book I know of,  but note the MA sheet also has the legendary orange radar calibration plane, which no-one has ever seen a photo of either.....

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234972519-hurricane-mki-p2992-of-527-radar-calibration-sqn-red/

 

the other classic Hurricane scheme is Kuttlewasher's 'night reaper' ....

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234976286-hurricane-mk-iic-flown-by-km-kuttlewascher/&do=findComment&comment=1889582

 

hence my  signature line.....

 

[Seahawk]

4 hours ago, Troy Smith said:

I have never seen a photo of a Hurricane with the high sky sides, one apparently exists, 

 

 

Troy

 

Take a look at the entry for 880 Squadron in either of Sturtivant's Squadrons of the FAA (1st ed, p. 356, 2nd ed, p.300).  Each has a photo (ie 2 different ones) of the same formation of 5 Hurricanes, of which 3 are in a scheme with a high camouflage demarcation.  One of them is in the foreground and is clearly W9219, as per Ian's data a few posts up.  Location: Arbroath, date "around March-April 1941".   I've always assumed that the lower colour was Sky Grey but I expect someone will be along to tell me it's Sky.  Edit: they already have:

 

I'm fairly sure I have seen a photo rpt photo of a FAA Hurricane in this scheme bearing a code letter but can't lay my hands on it for the moment.

 

Edited October 25, 2016 by Seahawk

[Col.]

Having the same decal sheet and a desire to do one of the Arbroath based machines I'm interested to read about this as well. Thanks for asking Dave and thanks for the information lads.

[iang]

1 hour ago, Seahawk said:

 

I'm fairly sure I have seen a photo rpt photo of one of these aircraft bearing a code letter but can't lay my hands on it for the moment.

 

 

You are probably thinking of V6541/N (in Hurricane at War 2). I have a print of this photo, but can't get into Photobucket at the moment to load it. I don't think that the code corresponds to when the aircraft was with 880 squadron. The aircraft behind it  looks to be X877?/S, for which there is no record in the Squadron Diary.

[ClaudioN]

1 hour ago, iang said:

 

You are probably thinking of V6541/N (in Hurricane at War 2). I have a print of this photo, but can't get into Photobucket at the moment to load it. I don't think that the code corresponds to when the aircraft was with 880 squadron. The aircraft behind it  looks to be X877?/S, for which there is no record in the Squadron Diary.

Hi Ian,

the photo you refer to might show a flight of 759 Sqn Hurricanes. V6541/N has neither hook nor cat spools, and a Rotol spinner. 'S' behind appears (to me) to be AE977, again no hook, no spools but this one has a de Havilland prop.

 

Claudio

[Troy Smith]

1 hour ago, ClaudioN said:

Hi Ian,

the photo you refer to might show a flight of 759 Sqn Hurricanes. V6541/N has neither hook nor cat spools, and a Rotol spinner. 'S' behind appears (to me) to be AE977, again no hook, no spools but this one has a de Havilland prop.

 

Claudio

this one?

as used in the 'props  and spinners' thread linked above

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/

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In this handy shot

N - Spitfire Rotol

R - Hurricane DH

U - Hurricane Rotol

 

'AE977'  or 'X877?'  to me looks to be the 'bullet' Rotol when zoomed up BTW.

 

Seahawk, sadly I don't  have the Sturtivant book...  and  have never seen it, but I  bet iang does,  and I owe him a visit...

[Graham Boak]

Diversion here.  Maybe I'm peering too closely, but has V6541 a Mk.II radiator?  It appears to be deeper than those on the accompanying aircraft.  Maybe I'm just looking too hard, and it wouldn't mean much more than a shortage of the older radiator in Yeovilton stores.

[Seahawk]

16 hours ago, iang said:

 

You are probably thinking of V6541/N (in Hurricane at War 2).

 

Sorry, what I meant was, I think I have seen a photo of a FAA Hurricane with high camo demarcation bearing a code, without prejudice to the squadron it might have been serving with. 

 

All the aircraft in the Hurricane at War 2 photo (Troy: same formation but different photo) have the low demarcation.  For the record Sturtivant's FAA Aircraft 1939-45 has both V6541 and AE977 serving with 759/760 Squadron at the same time, V6541 as "N" and AE977 as "S", so I consider that issue put to bed.  V6541 served with 759/760 from 9/41 to 11/43, AE977 from 8/41 to 5/12/42 when it crashed following a collision.  

[AgentG]

On 10/23/2016 at 9:40 AM, Troy Smith said:

There are 5 possible props on early Hurricanes

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/

 

A shore based Mk.I of the P3*** range  as opposed to a actual Sea Hurricane would most likely have a Spitfire rotol

like this famous shot

Hawker Sea Hurricane Mk.1a by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

perhaps more later, no time at the mo

 

The appearance of this bird is absolutely fascinating. 

 

Paint a 1/48th scale Hurricane this way and most contest goers would scoff at your efforts.

 

G

 

[Graham Boak]

If so then more fool them.  To recreate such an appearance would take a lot of skill, not just slapping paint anywhere.

 

But fascinating, yes.  To note just one detail: I'd have expected to see the dark blue of the wing roundels fade to a lighter blue, as seen on many photos, yet although the EDSG has gone very light the roundel Blue remains dark.

[Greenshirt]

22 minutes ago, Graham Boak said:

If so then more fool them.  To recreate such an appearance would take a lot of skill, not just slapping paint anywhere.

 

But fascinating, yes.  To note just one detail: I'd have expected to see the dark blue of the wing roundels fade to a lighter blue, as seen on many photos, yet although the EDSG has gone very light the roundel Blue remains dark.

 

Very true, however the wing roundel Blue is definitely lighter than the fuselage roundel.  

 

I see an aircraft that has been in service for a long time.  A combination of pre-shading, faded paints, salt weathering, post-shading, oil stains, streaking and just general wear and tear.  I would not try it on 72nd scale (my scale) but in 32nd or 24th it would look stunning.  Especially with that photo under it on the display stand; the model in flight with a blurred prop...I'd be surprised nobody has tried it.

 

[Troy Smith]

On 23/10/2016 at 17:40, Troy Smith said:

 

 

[Troy Smith]

On 23/10/2016 at 17:40, Troy Smith said:

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

If so then more fool them.  To recreate such an appearance would take a lot of skill, not just slapping paint anywhere.

 

But fascinating, yes.  To note just one detail: I'd have expected to see the dark blue of the wing roundels fade to a lighter blue, as seen on many photos, yet although the EDSG has gone very light the roundel Blue remains dark.

 

2 hours ago, Greenshirt said:

 

Very true, however the wing roundel Blue is definitely lighter than the fuselage roundel.  

 

I see an aircraft that has been in service for a long time.  A combination of pre-shading, faded paints, salt weathering, post-shading, oil stains, streaking and just general wear and tear.  I would not try it on 72nd scale (my scale) but in 32nd or 24th it would look stunning.  Especially with that photo under it on the display stand; the model in flight with a blurred prop...I'd be surprised nobody has tried it.

 

 

Perhaps this is very faded DFS,  note the green runs through the cockpit, and is consistent with how DFS fades,

Spitfire by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

 

for comparison,  colour shot of Hurricane in TSS

 

Sea Hurricane by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

OK, here are some pretty faded BPF Seafires, note how the colours fade.

Seafire III's  in 1945. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

 

EDIT - don't try to post while cooking  dinner.....

[Pappy]

On 25/10/2016 at 11:50 PM, Troy Smith said:

the scheme on the sheet is for P3114, (though it says so here)

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ML48149

 

 

 

the scheme has been discussed, as illustrated it has a De Havilland propeller, though from photos all Hurricanes of the P**** batches after P27** in the UK have had the Spitfire Rotol fitted

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/46595-sea-hurricane-colours/

 

if it was converted to a Sea Hurricane IB, with a hook, then the DH prop was fitted as it was heavier.

 

I have never seen a photo of a Hurricane with the high sky sides, one apparently exists,  but not in any book I know of,  but note the MA sheet also has the legendary orange radar calibration plane, which no-one has ever seen a photo of either.....

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234972519-hurricane-mki-p2992-of-527-radar-calibration-sqn-red/

 

the other classic Hurricane scheme is Kuttlewasher's 'night reaper' ....

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234976286-hurricane-mk-iic-flown-by-km-kuttlewascher/&do=findComment&comment=1889582

 

hence my  signature line.....

 

 

G'day Graham,

 

Here is a link to the decal sheet. The option I want to build is the third one down,

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF6JG--_DPAhUJGpQKHUwEAKQQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FModel-Alliance-1-72-Hawker-Hurricane-Part-III-Decal-MA72149-%2F142026077323&bvm=bv.136593572,d.cGc&psig=AFQjCNFaZnEUogE0GKYutMAtC7rFYx5TlQ&ust=1477313213222658

 

I am leaning towards a non-navalised Hurricane Mk.1. The fuselage and underside colour is not MSG as I stated earlier (serves me right for relying on memory) but Sky grey, but you say that the RN replaced this colour with Sky  before the Hurricane entered RN service?

 

G'day Troy,

 

Thank you (and everyone else that replied) very much for taking the time to reply, whilst I do like the scheme for P3114, it seems a little spurious which is a pity

 

In summary,

 

No pictures exist of this machine. From the discussion in this thread and the previous threads referenced, it seems that the  DH prop is the one depicted in the illustration, however the underside and fuselage sides should be in Sky rather than the 'Sky Grey' (Cirrux or whatever) which contradicts the decal sheet painting guide but  was standard RN regs from 1940 onward, and this scheme purports to be 1941.

 

I am now looking at a different scheme on the same decal sheet, this time it is a Sea Hurricane Mk.1, serial number unknown, fuselage letters of '7U' embarked with HMAS Victorious during Operation Pedestal (August '42). There is also another Sea Hurricane (SH) option included, this time another Mk.1, serial number V7438, Y1-C based at RNAS Yeovilton, August '42. This option is slightly less appealing as it was shore based and does not have the link to the Malta campaign.

 

Sorry, more questions!

 

 Airfix supply the Sea Hurricane specific parts but make no mention of them - obviously intended for a later release. I have a question regarding the cable pulleys. The locating holes either side of the radiator are flashed over, so it is no biggie to drill these out, however which way do the pulleys face? The cable pulley housings have a vertical side and an angled side. The photos I have seen make it a little difficult to determine but it looks like the vertical side faces forwards and the angled side aft?

 

I have studied pics of the Shuttleworth SH, it looks like it has the Hurricane Rotol fitted (which seems like a shore based thing if I have interpreted the thread discussion correctly?) and I also noticed that there is a plate immediately aft of the spinner which is slightly larger in diameter than the spinner itself. Is this the oil blanking plate? Was this a standard fit to all SHs?

 

The decal painting guide depicts both of these aircraft fitted with DH props. I think that this would be correct for '7U', but what about the shore based 'Y1-C'? Same same for the oil blanking plate?

 

regards,

 

Pappy

 

 

[Troy Smith]

2 hours ago, Pappy said:

 

G'day Graham,

 

Here is a link to the decal sheet. The option I want to build is the third one down,

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF6JG--_DPAhUJGpQKHUwEAKQQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FModel-Alliance-1-72-Hawker-Hurricane-Part-III-Decal-MA72149-%2F142026077323&bvm=bv.136593572,d.cGc&psig=AFQjCNFaZnEUogE0GKYutMAtC7rFYx5TlQ&ust=1477313213222658

 

I am leaning towards a non-navalised Hurricane Mk.1. The fuselage and underside colour is not MSG as I stated earlier (serves me right for relying on memory) but Sky grey, but you say that the RN replaced this colour with Sky  before the Hurricane entered RN service?

 

G'day Troy,

 

Thank you (and everyone else that replied) very much for taking the time to reply, whilst I do like the scheme for P3114, it seems a little spurious which is a pity

 

In summary,

 

No pictures exist of this machine. From the discussion in this thread and the previous threads referenced,

1. it seems that the  DH prop is the one depicted in the illustration,

 

 

Yes

 

however the underside and fuselage sides should be in Sky rather than the 'Sky Grey' (Cirrux or whatever) which contradicts the decal sheet painting guide but  was standard RN regs from 1940 onward, and this scheme purports to be 1941.

 Cerrux grey is a primer

 

2. I am now looking at a different scheme on the same decal sheet, this time it is a Sea Hurricane Mk.1, serial number unknown, fuselage letters of '7U' embarked with HMAS Victorious during Operation Pedestal (August '42). There is also another Sea Hurricane (SH) option included, this time another Mk.1, serial number V7438, Y1-C based at RNAS Yeovilton, August '42. This option is slightly less appealing as it was shore based and does not have the link to the Malta campaign.

iang if he  spots this can help, he's researched Pedestal Hurricanes, as has Tonyot

 

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Sorry, more questions!

 

 Airfix supply the Sea Hurricane specific parts but make no mention of them - obviously intended for a later release. I have a question regarding the cable pulleys. The locating holes either side of the radiator are flashed over, so it is no biggie to drill these out, however which way do the pulleys face? The cable pulley housings have a vertical side and an angled side. The photos I have seen make it a little difficult to determine but it looks like the vertical side faces forwards and the angled side aft?

these were catapult spools. Good question, not sure of answer.

 

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I have studied pics of the Shuttleworth SH, it looks like it has the Hurricane Rotol fitted (which seems like a shore based thing if I have interpreted the thread discussion correctly?) and I also noticed that there is a plate immediately aft of the spinner which is slightly larger in diameter than the spinner itself. Is this the oil blanking plate? Was this a standard fit to all SHs?

the Shuttleworth plane has a Hurricane Rotol, but in service would have had the Hurricane DH unit, no Mk.I flying warbird has a 'correct' prop.

Note the headrest  for catapult launching in the walkround  here

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/76586-hawker-sea-hurricane/

 

this CAM  Hurricane has the bullet Rotol

 

the oil spill ring was a standard fit.

 

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The decal painting guide depicts both of these aircraft fitted with DH props. I think that this would be correct for '7U', but what about the shore based 'Y1-C'? Same same for the oil blanking plate?

 

regards,

 

Pappy

 

 

7-U?

I don't think  this is  a Pedestal shot, as they got yellow tails (I  maybe  wrong, best way to get a correction here..post cobblers  )

Can't see the serial, looks like DH prop.  Also,  like some  other Sea Hurricane, appears to lack the 2nd rectangular access hatch in front of roundel.

Note position of upperwing roundels, many decal guides (and  thus models) have them too far outboard. Center of roundel to wing tip is 80 inches.

see 

http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Camoflage-Markings/03-Hawker-Hurricane

has a factory camo diagram,  not distances from panel lines etc for scheme  and roundel position

 

some Sea Hurricanes have underwing roundels in non standard position though

 

Y1-C?

ta-dah

 

a Naval, rather than Sea Hurricane (no hook), has a bullet Rotol...

a few more pics  here

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/shurr.html

 

this is a Pedestal Hurricane, visible serial V7506 i think, note yellow tail fin.

 

HTH

T