phil1 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hi guys I'm attempting to convert zvezdas 767 kit from a -300 to a -200. I think this model is the ER version which I think has the larger cargo door. The things I will have to do will be *cut out 2 pieces of the fuselage *remove the tail bumper -if theres anything else i need to change please feel free to tell me I wish to do this in a landing state, so I will be presenting it with *gear down *flaps and slats extended (ambitious....very ambitious for me) I haven't decided on the colours yet, I'm thinking either traditional Amercian Airlines or Britannia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 started with filling the windows now last time i had a stupid idea of using the actual windows supplied to 'fill' the windows then sand them flat which wasn't the best idea as they are a different type of plastic and you wont get a nice flat surface for the decals. I don't like getting excess filler all over my models so thats why ive masked off the area on the other side ive glued the existing windows on backwards to the inside off the fuselage to help fill the little gap rather than letting it push through the other side I find its a bit cleaner and you only use the amount of filler that's necessary. Obviously i havent done this for the areas I'm going to saw through as that window plastic is thick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 windows filled after a bit sanding all neat and tidy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 now I need to plan which parts to remove. luckily theres a couple of guides out there the problem with the guide for the zvezda conversion is that you will lose the fwd cargo door the top fuselage piece right of the tape shows the cargo door and is the area to be taken away however - this is the revell conversion which dissects the area beyond it (note the smaller cargo door as its not the ER version). also note that the tale bumper is missing from the -200 the rear fuselage dissection is the same, its very close to the wing fairing/bumper (whats the technical name?) so I'll have to be extra careful in my precision cutting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 areas taped off and ready to be removed I nice comparison below and just for fun........baby boeing but still a widebody 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbag Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 This will be interesting. Looking forward to your updates Phil. Chris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 all pieces cleaned up - I used the spare fuselage plastic as a guide for the pieces to slide together by trimming them smaller and fitting them inside the fuselage - however the parts wouldn't fit together due to mounds of filler inside the fuselage - this means i had to rather crudely hack away some of the guide but the pieces fit beautifully parts not glued below - just held together by the guides just to give an idea with the wings on just made a start masking off the wing areas that need to be removed (apart from the slats - need to look at some more reference pics for them) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Nice start Phil, i have been contemplating a -200 conversion as well. I think you have all bases covered with the changes. The only other thing I would suggest is what type of engines the -200 has, I think the Zveda kit includes GEs. Not being up on the nuances of different GE cowling and exhaust nozzle shapes you may find minor differences between what is in the kit and the aircraft you are going to model especially since you are changing from a -300 to a -200. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/16/2016 at 1:09 AM, TrojanThunder said: Nice start Phil, i have been contemplating a -200 conversion as well. I think you have all bases covered with the changes. The only other thing I would suggest is what type of engines the -200 has, I think the Zveda kit includes GEs. Not being up on the nuances of different GE cowling and exhaust nozzle shapes you may find minor differences between what is in the kit and the aircraft you are going to model especially since you are changing from a -300 to a -200. what airline you thinking of doing mate? I'm thinking of doing the britannia colours with 2 sets of 757 decals, I'm just hoping the 767 tail is a similar width! I was tempted with another retro metal finish (using alclad for the first time) maybe AA but that's obviously been done by someone. in my ignorance I wouldn't have known that about the engines, i need GE's as well but I will have to do a bit more research before i crack on with that. I think the extended flaps are going to keep me busy for a while as its my first attempt doing anything like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) time for the 3 fuselage pieces to go together. I've used superglue on the tabs inside the fuselage that is going to slide into the other sections. I've got plenty of detail on the fuselage to allow me to line up the sections with about 10-15 seconds to make adjustments before it dries rock hard. next - a layer of milliput around the joins, this will be sanded in a circular motion to get the 2 sections to blend as one the position of the wing fairing at the rear is troublesome (above) .... if there is a way of converting to a 200 from a 300 without cutting out so close to it then I'd recommend go with that idea. happy with this one, I was excessive with the milliput and I was surprised how good the fit was - i remember my a330-330 to -200 needing far more attention than this. still kept that cargo door although i've coming close to sanding it out of existence. I will be etching in a bit detail joining the lines when I'm happy with everything the troublesome area! as you can see the window is slightly drooped down due to the slight difference in fuselage diameter (as everything lines up elsewhere). There is an area that looks like a gap but its actually filled by glue and is solid. This area needs a little more work before I'm happy to progress now on with the wings. The upper portion of the wings has had the flaps removed, then the lower portion has had the same areas but also cut through the flap track fairings which are to be attached to the now separate extended flaps. most pieces removed will be chucked and replaced with plastic card that is thinner. I do however need the flap track fairings. cutting so close to the wheel well has left the plastic very thin and I have reinforced it ever so slightly. all edges need smoothed down a little more this is the view with the wings together from below - the inside of the wing is now exposed so it has been sanded down flat, I'll need reference photos for this bit for sure!! this is the gap in between the wing parts....... i would guess a gap this size exists for the internal stuff but again need some reference shots before i take this forward again Edited October 19, 2016 by phil1 forgot reference picture 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Mine will be a QANTAS jet that I know need GEs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, TrojanThunder said: Mine will be a QANTAS jet that I know need GEs. that'll look fantastic mate, i love the qantas livery - even makes the a380 elegant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme H Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Nice choice, good to see someone using the Zvezda kit for a change Interesting colour scheme, I had once given thought to doing the same, using the same decals, I did find a picture of one with a white radome, makes it a whole lot easier at the front end http://www.airliners.net/photo/Britannia-Airways/Boeing-767-204-ER/799458 One small thing to note, is that 767 have 2 different types of forward cargo doors, the Zvezda kit has the wider type door, that a pallet or a container can fit through, the -204 model that Britannia mostly used had the smaller type door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, Graeme H said: Nice choice, good to see someone using the Zvezda kit for a change Interesting colour scheme, I had once given thought to doing the same, using the same decals, I did find a picture of one with a white radome, makes it a whole lot easier at the front end http://www.airliners.net/photo/Britannia-Airways/Boeing-767-204-ER/799458 One small thing to note, is that 767 have 2 different types of forward cargo doors, the Zvezda kit has the wider type door, that a pallet or a container can fit through, the -204 model that Britannia mostly used had the smaller type door. I'm glad you mentioned that graeme, am I right in saying the 'ER's had the wider door or is that BS? if all the 200s have the smaller door I'll just sand part of it away if not all of it and use decals like the idea of the radome, might be the only way to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 21 minutes ago, phil1 said: I'm glad you mentioned that graeme, am I right in saying the 'ER's had the wider door or is that BS? if all the 200s have the smaller door I'll just sand part of it away if not all of it and use decals like the idea of the radome, might be the only way to do it although i wouldn't want to 'nick' your idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 There's not much of the rear spar visible when the flaps are down unless the spoilers are deployed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme H Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, phil1 said: I'm glad you mentioned that graeme, am I right in saying the 'ER's had the wider door or is that BS? if all the 200s have the smaller door I'll just sand part of it away if not all of it and use decals like the idea of the radome, might be the only way to do it No Phil, different customers had different doors both in -200's and -300's, the -200's that operated in Australia by Ansett and Qantas had the wide door, all to do with underneath loaded freight, and type of containers and pallets, bit more here http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/company/about_bca/pdf/CargoPalletsContainers.pdf LD1's are mostly for wide bodies like 747's, where you can fit 2 facing each other as a pair, they will go in a 767, but only one, and it sits off to one side. Airlines like Britannia who only dealt in Charter type operations didn't need the wider door so opted for the smaller door, probably cheaper also. There is no chance I will ever get to doing a Britannia 767, so you are more than welcome to do that plain radome one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex1978 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Thats going to be an interesting build.I am all eyes with your progress...It looks already supperb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbag Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 On 20/10/2016 at 2:42 AM, Jessica said: There's not much of the rear spar visible when the flaps are down unless the spoilers are deployed. Those pics are very handy. Thanks. Chris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 3:15 AM, Graeme H said: the 757 decals arrived - got 2 sets as i will need the extra decal to compensate for the wider fuselage area. also for the tail I will have to decide if I paint the tail britannia blue and use a cut out of the logo from the decal or use it how it is fuselage is primed. joins are not visible from this picture but underneath needs a little more work to blend it in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) finally got this one underway again. fairings have now been complete and wing sections glued together. The inner wing fairings have had some work to make them more at a 30 degree angle note the little gap in the fairing for the linkage (to be represented by paperclip wire!) ive also cut away the slats (prior to above) its left a gap but this will be filled and smoothed, eventually the krueger flaps will be added in landing config (scratch built of course) made a gap for the stand to be attached to help represent the landing config Edited December 12, 2016 by phil1 missed some important pics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 the gap where the slats have been removed has been filled and now applied a few coats apologies about the poor light 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 ok its time to get on with the fuselage. the gloss white is down and applied the blue with xtracolor britannia airways blue did a section of the tail.....which i will later regret as the britannia logo is transparent!!!!! started appling decals..... got a few problems with the decal stripes as they are very rigid and breakable. i may have to cut them into sections. also as the tail is blue and the britannia emblem is transparent i will have to put it on a layer of white decal paper prior to adding to the tail 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Some major surgery there Phil, you certainly are game! Does the B767 have the same set up as other Boeings, double/triple slotted flaps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 7 hours ago, TrojanThunder said: Some major surgery there Phil, you certainly are game! Does the B767 have the same set up as other Boeings, double/triple slotted flaps? cheers ray, its not my expertise but I think the 767 has quite a basic wing with an outboard single slotted flap and a inboard double slotted flap. Jessica posted some great reference shots further up the thread that also show this area and exposed with the spoilers deployed. I've done some work on the outboard flap here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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