robgizlu Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Well this is my first blog here so please be gentle Someone had to be the first to blog this 1/144 offering from Revell, following on from their classic (Matchbox hand-me-down) offering in 1/72 scale. For an excellent review of the model check out...... http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235003570-hmcs-snowberry-flower-class-corvette-1144/ The plan is to build an RN corvette HMS Crocus and thereafter HMS Clematis. I'm waiting as I'm sure many are for aftermarket accessories to appear. Some elements in the Revell kit are a little crude and overscale - not least the ladders and weapons. I was pleased to hear that Mike McCabe of Starling models is collaborating with L'arsenal to produce a mixed media aftermarket set. Can't wait! As such this build will progress to hull and superstructure - and then stop to wait for detail parts. So far I've acquired these... I'll be using the usual Flower references. They are all very good. I managed to pick the"Warship Perspectives" relatively cheap as it's getting very hard to come by now. The "Shipcraft" volume is widely available and really is VERY good and should cover most needs. Ensign 3 is still coming up on E-bay relatively cheaply and is worth getting for the high quality ship images. HMS Crocus was relatively unusual in having circa 1942-43, differing camo schemes from port to starboard More on the colour scheme later. Crocus had a number of number of differences from the model Revell depicts as Snowberry. 1) Raised 4" gun bandstand solid surround guard 2) Sloped 4" gun turret 3) x4 "boxes" in the superstructure supports (The kit has 3) 4) Round lattice "later" Radar 270 lantern 5) No Carley rafts or platforms at the midships "step" Thankfully she had "Low" depth charge rails like Snowberry. It's worth checking out Mark Hawkins site on Shapeways as he's already made the Quad vickers in 1/144 that I'll need for Clematis and has promised a Crocus type lantern with Spare Carley floats.... https://www.shapeways.com/designer/hawkins751511 On potential problem is that Crocus had the starboard pennant number in reversed colour, although it's been deliberately obscured on the pic above, it is present in the pic within "Ensign 3". Clematis also has "reversed" colours. An old Modeldecal sheet will provide the right sized Port pennant numbers I ordered a BECCs set of vinyl letters hoping that I could use the background as a mask - But sadly they are too big The current plan is to place transfers on Tamiya masking tape and the cut around the letters so as to make a mask. If anyone else has any ideas?? So it 's an off with the build...The stand builds nicely and holds the hull securely The hull joined neatly The transom needed a little filler The aft deck sat and settled snugly As did the aft superstructure The aft structure roof needs some filler as there'll be no raft platforms (as per Snowberry) And some dry fitting shows what's to come... Thanks for looking- it's nice to be finally blogging here after having looked in for so long Rob Edited July 10, 2016 by robgizlu 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Welcome aboard Rob I shall be watching and supporting this build Enjoy your build Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I want one now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I want one now! Me too - but I know I'd never build it, so I'll watch Rob's build instead! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Good start! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housesparrow Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Another must have model for me. I've always been a fan of ships. As a kid I enjoyed drawing side view drawings of old freighter ships. Great fun! A nice excuse to go buy 1:144 figures, or to get this model if you have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Nice progress there, this kit did grab my attention and I would love to get one but the time is not quite right yet. Will be looking forward to seeing the progress on this. It does look like an excellent kit. Don't forget the walkaround on the BM site http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234987388-flower-class-corvette-hmcs-sackville/ That's the last surviving Flower class left, not sure of the differences between that and the Crocus but hopefully be of some use. Keep up the great work Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 1 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I've been thinking of this kit since it came out; not doing any in 1:144 ships yet but could start with this one. Anyway, good work so far, will be very interested to see how this goes throughout the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amblypygid Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 My dad had the Matchbox 1/72 kit, and for all of my childhood the hull sat, half-finished, in the spare room. As he never got to finish it, I've always had a hankering to build one myself as a sort of memorial, but the 1/72 kit is just too big. This, however... So I'll be watching and hankering from the sidelines! It looks like a neat little model for someone with no experience of floaty-thing kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 .............I would love to get one but the time is not quite right yet. The problem with Revell kits is that they don't stay in production for long periods. Many a time I've seen a kit that I liked and said "it's always there but I'll get it later" Then, suddenly it's gone and can't be obtained anywhere, except at super inflated prices on the web. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Thanks for looking in Fellas. Progress slowed to a glacial pace due to the usual Summer distractions and the Olympics. Know what you mean about kits going out of production Mike That insecurity forced me to buy another Th first mistake was fitting the f'wd splinter shields supplied with the kit. Checking back with the original Crocus pics - it is apparent that Snowberry had a slightly atypical arrangement with a large gap and a a set of bollards behind. Most of the RN corvettes had no bollards and a solid splinter shield Thankfully Tamiya extra thin cement - "melts" the bond and I was able to lift the offending piece. I needed to whittle the deck fittings down fill some locating depressions and re-scribe the deck There'll be more mistakes. I'll fashion some replacement shield from Plasticard. On the subject of scribing - the kit supplies the bridge without scribed planking. Whilst some ships may have had solid most original pics show wooden planks. It seemed worth the effort And here's the comparison.... This build is going to be pretty disorganised and I'm really conscious that I can only take it so far without some aftermarket pieces - particularly regarding the railings which are hopelessly oversized. I tried filing some down closer to scale but it really was a waste of time. The ladders need a lot of filing. These are the 4" gun platform ladders - filed on the left The gun platform shield on Crocus was unusual in being solid........ I did some work on the 4" gun shield mindful of the superb effort Kev (Longshanks) did (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234998398-4-inch-mark-ix-breech-loading-gun-on-cp-mark-i-mounting/) The gun is acceptable with the barrel drilled out. I filed the front of the shield down to replicate an RN corvette (The Canadian corvettes generally had "square" shields). I used Archer Surface detail decals to represent the rivets and have used "punched out" plasticard to mount hand rails. Crocus had atypical Carley float rails and these were made up from Plastruct pieces... Plastruct is also needed to build the bridge supports. Snowberry had 3 squares - Crocus had 4 - I'm half way through ... And a completely random manner - the wheelhouse was built...... Dry fitting the superstructure gets us to this..... Archer surface detail decals are being used to Pimp up the stack... The 16 ft dinghies which are a prominent feature on corvettes are particularly poorly done. They come with moulded smooth hulls whereas in reality they were clinker built. The only practical solution seemed to be to use Tamiya masking tape to replicate the clinker build. I'll seal this with "Klear" before painting. It seem to be an effective solution. The internal dinghy seating is very simplified and represents an alternative arrangement to most of the 16 ft dinghies though looking closely at Snowberry pics these might be right for her alone. So to end this rather chaotic update - I'm delighted to have received some pieces from Mark Hawkings on Shapeways. https://www.shapeways.com/designer/hawkins751511 If you going for a Corvette build you'll be needing some of his work The frosted resin doesn't photograph well but close up in reality the detail is just astonishing. The Quad Vickers is just amazing (HMS Clematis build) The type 271 Radar housing is the multiple (lattice) pane one which by far the most frequently seen in pictures. Snowberry uses the early hexagonal version. The rails are slightly on the thick side and clearly represent the limits of 3D moulding currently but I can live with this. The Carley float is wonderful and leaves the kit version so far behind - it's hard to imagine using them - here's the comparison.... There is a sligh size difference but Carley floats came in variety of sizes. I took advantage of free shipping from Shapeways at the W/E and ordered more - the only downside is that they are over £7 a throw. And just as an aside Mark also does 1/72 offerings and here's a beautiful Oerlikon offering, destined to be used on a BPB MGB build... I'll soon reach a limit for this build until Mike McCabe releases his promised update set in collaboration with L'Arsenal. it will take this kit to new heights - Can't wait. Thanks for looking Rob 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housesparrow Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Aaah, brilliant trick with the fake wooden panels on the boats! Looking at your photos, I have the impression that the large deck pieces fit snugly to the hull pieces, would I be right in thinking that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Good progress! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockster Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Following this one closely, I only found out about the new 1/144 version last week and have put in my birthday request with Mrs Jockster! Nice progress so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Macnaughton Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Looking at your photos, I have the impression that the large deck pieces fit snugly to the hull pieces, would I be right in thinking that? I am building one converted to radio control and the deck fit is excellent - the quarterdeck fit is so good that I haven't needed to glue it in as it can be clipped in place and pulled out again to gain access. Rob, I found that getting the open bridge deck (part D104) to match up with the lower wheelhouse and the other bits like the support for the 271 office (part D90) very fiddly indeed if everything is to match up without big gaps. If you haven't already, you might want to check this out before gluing any more of this part of the model together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Cor thought we'd lost you Rob but worth the wait for the update. I agree with you the bridge needs to be planked Cracking job with the shield. I gather the Archer rivets are on a carrier, is this going to show after painting? They certainly look the bis ! Neat idea for lifting rail, blooming site easier than soldering. Are you going to detail the wheelhouse interior? The planking on the dinghy's is inspired. This is going to be a good build with all this lateral thinking........ Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollsroyce Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Hi Rob This is a great build and thanks for sharing the tip on the small boats planking. Genius, Like others have often thought about the 1/72 Corvette but put off by the size. This looks like a great option. Cheers Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Macnaughton Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 (edited) I see Hannants have 2 sets of PE by Eduard due out in October at about £30 each with the first for armament and the second for superstructure https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ED53175 https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ED53176 Edited August 23, 2016 by Francis Macnaughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Got a link buddy ? Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Model Monkey Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Macnaughton Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Got a link buddy ? Kev Original post edited to give links but no pictures yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 Aaah, brilliant trick with the fake wooden panels on the boats! Looking at your photos, I have the impression that the large deck pieces fit snugly to the hull pieces, would I be right in thinking that? Hi Housesparrow, you are spot on - fit between deck and hull is very snug - elsewhere it's good though some of the sprue gates are a bit clumsy. I am building one converted to radio control and the deck fit is excellent - the quarterdeck fit is so good that I haven't needed to glue it in as it can be clipped in place and pulled out again to gain access. Rob, I found that getting the open bridge deck (part D104) to match up with the lower wheelhouse and the other bits like the support for the 271 office (part D90) very fiddly indeed if everything is to match up without big gaps. If you haven't already, you might want to check this out before gluing any more of this part of the model together. Thanks Francis, mine fits OK though I was careful to "mate" the deck house with part D104 as the wheelhouse sides set. I'm planning on building the superstructure off the model. Great spot on Hannants BTW - I hadn't seen that. It will be interesting to compare Eduard with Starling/L'Arsenal. I'm planning to build HMS Bluebell (mid period) and Clematis sooner or later so there will be plenty of opportunity to sample the wares. @ Kev, Guy & Steve - Thanks Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 Cor thought we'd lost you Rob but worth the wait for the update. I agree with you the bridge needs to be planked Cracking job with the shield. I gather the Archer rivets are on a carrier, is this going to show after painting? They certainly look the bis ! Neat idea for lifting rail, blooming site easier than soldering. Are you going to detail the wheelhouse interior? The planking on the dinghy's is inspired. This is going to be a good build with all this lateral thinking........ Kev Kev - good point about the Archer carrier film. It sits well - we'll see at the primer stage. As to the wheelhouse interior - it's really pretty hidden though I did find some pics of Sackville's. The external bits are taking long enough - I don't have your patience! I built the rear 2 pounder platform which sits on 6 stilts. It could have gone wrong but didn't. Every piece needs quite a fair amount of clean up with tiny mould lines everywhere. The ladders are oversized and I tried filing them down but in the end decided building new ones was slightly quicker I also pressed on with the Bridge... Fit needed a bit of work to get it squared off... I also fitted the foward splinter shields And fitted the gun assembly to the shield The bridge is beginning to take shape and I'm now getting really frustrated about not having any after-market accessories The rear depth charge rails need quite a bit of clean up and I suspect will form part of the AM sets. Actually I'm going to live with plastic offering on this particular build. The rails and depth charges will need painting before final assembly. The depth charges themselves were Not a perfect fit and needed filling And in between all these bits I continue with the lattice supports which in truth are a tiny bit tedious And the of course there's the boats.......... Thanks for looking. Rob 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 A very interesting update. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollsroyce Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Hi Rob. looking good and watching this The small boats are going to be a masterpiece. Nice gun to. Cheers Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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