Confrontational (1/72 Revell Hawker Hunter FGA.9)

[Duncan B]

Don't worry too much about the tailcone joint, it was a removable section so there was a visible joint. Revell missed the recess for the airbrake ram which ran fore/aft extending from under the rear of the airbrake, not a major issue but an easy detail to add.

I'd better go and do something to my Hunter as it's supposed to be finished for tomorrow, I hate deadlines!

Duncan B

[Procopius]

Revell missed the recess for the airbrake ram which ran fore/aft extending from under the rear of the airbrake, not a major issue but an easy detail to add.

Tell me more!

It seems like Revell really biffed it on Hunter airbrakes. I gather the kit part looks bad for an F.6/FGA.9 and totally wrong for anything else. "Oh Freeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightdoooooooooooooooooooog..."

[CedB]

Nice PC - I like the.look of that seat and the ejector handles; how did you do dat?

Have a good week with the friends. We'll just hang.

[Procopius]

Nice PC - I like the.look of that seat and the ejector handles; how did you do dat?

Oh, I just painted the handles yellow, and then, with the finest of brushes, painted the rather wobbly-looking black stripes, each a scale 8" thick.

[Duncan B]

Tell me more!

It seems like Revell really biffed it on Hunter airbrakes. I gather the kit part looks bad for an F.6/FGA.9 and totally wrong for anything else. "Oh Freeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightdoooooooooooooooooooog..."

OK here's a link to my WIP in the GB where the airbrake is discussed at length (and breadth) and there are even a couple of plan drawings and photos from StephenMG (who did the drawings and is a renowned Hunter expert, you can tell by the fact that he has one in his garage at home! Jolly fine chap too.)

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235000770-a-hunter-from-fife/

All you've got to do is wade through the rambling excuses as to why I wasn't going to be able to finish it on time even though I had plenty.

Duncan B

[dcrfan]

I was a 10 year old living in Singapore during the Confrontation. To cut a long story short my Dad, then a civilian New Zealand Government employee ended up working at RAF Changi in the Radio Direction Finding hut due to his WWII RAF experience. He often came home to describe Shacketons returning from flights to Indonesia which had fired their cannons. He also described having to guide a Hunter into Changi with some sort of emergency as it was unable to return to RAF Tengah.

[Procopius]

I was a 10 year old living in Singapore during the Confrontation.

That must have been a remarkable experience -- I'd love to hear the long version of the story.

[Cookenbacher]

Wonderful work on the cockpit and seat PC. Next time, you guys need to visit your Hawaiian friends at their place. Of course, they're probably sick of the mild weather, pristine beaches and ocean waves and are ready for square miles of nice baking hot pavement.

[Rob G]

This will ruffle feathers, no doubt (sorry that I'm late...) I like my military aircraft to look like thugs, tough, blunt and unmovable. Hence my preference for the Hurricane over the Spitfire, and my mild dislike of the Hunter. Although a 'nice' aircraft, it's too pretty. Effete. It doesn't look like it can do anything more than give you a good talking to, maybe while brandishing a bowler hat in a vaguely aggressive manner. I'm afraid (although in no way apologetic) that my vote goes to Lightnings, Javelins and Sea Vixens, all of which look like they mean business. Even Meteors have a more aggressive stance than Hunters.

So take it from me PC, being a Brit doesn't automatically mean that you have to like Hunters. I was born there, and I don't.

[rob85]

I tell you what it's looking almost perfect mr p! Which is pretty dam good in my book.

You have ignited in me a want to read, as I have just acquired a book for a mate about the sas, I say you have done this as it starts in the Malayan emergency.... It also mentions air strikes by hunters.

Anyway, you are working at pace mr p! Very happy to have you back

Rob

[Procopius]

Next time, you guys need to visit your Hawaiian friends at their place. Of course, they're probably sick of the mild weather, pristine beaches and ocean waves and are ready for square miles of nice baking hot pavement.

It's off to a bad start -- they've already mocked our pizza, the one thing we do better than anyone else in the world. I promise I won't mock...whatever food New Mexico is famous for, when I visit.

So take it from me PC, being a Brit doesn't automatically mean that you have to like Hunters. I was born there, and I don't.

I know, but I want to die there. I need to get them to let me in!

You have ignited in me a want to read, as I have just acquired a book for a mate about the sas, I say you have done this as it starts in the Malayan emergency.... It also mentions air strikes by hunters.

They turned up everywhere. I believe Hunters piloted by British aircrew were also used to support the SAS in the Dhofar War in the 1970s, which sadly little has been written on.

[rob85]

It's off to a bad start -- they've already mocked our pizza, the one thing we do better than anyone else in the world. I promise I won't mock...whatever food New Mexico is famous for, when I visit.

I know, but I want to die there. I need to get them to let me in!

They turned up everywhere. I believe Hunters piloted by British aircrew were also used to support the SAS in the Dhofar War in the 1970s, which sadly little has been written on.

Indeed they were, as well as strikemasters and 'venoms from Bahrain' are all mentioned in the book. If the early jets GB gets on I may have to have a pop at one.

Rob

[Engineer66]

' Iknow, but I want to die there. I need to get them to let me in! '

Hmm, so you dropped a few marks on the 'Aircraft appreciation test'. Don't worry Mr P all is not lost, you may be able to recover the situation.

What are your views on going to the seaside for a day out when it's cold and windy and eating Fish 'n' Chips served up in newspaper?

And have you ever considered eating a 'Parmesan' (or 'Parmo' to use the local term)?

Oh, and nice work on the 'awker 'unter by the way

[Procopius]

What are your views on going to the seaside for a day out when it's cold and windy and eating Fish 'n' Chips served up in newspaper?

And have you ever considered eating a 'Parmesan' (or 'Parmo' to use the local term)?

I live next to one of the world's largest freshwater lakes, so sans the fish and chips (which were delicious when I was in the UK), that's a pretty normal day spent looking for sea glass with Mrs. P. I have never heard of a parmo before as they don't serve them here, but clearly I've been missing out.

Mrs. P and Winston are back, and now Winston seems to have hundreds of teeth, which he uses to bite his mother whenever he gets excited. Here's my son, king of the goblins, astride his charger:

And here he is moving tactically in partial cover with his wagon:

He can't walk unassisted, but that awful day draws close. He currently calls everything "dadadadadadada", as his main influence is the French dadaist school*. He's already created several major new artworks in his nappy since getting home.

More work on the Hunter soon, maybe?

*= NB I find the real dadaists a little tiresome, so it's a fitting punishment for them that they had to be saved from Hitler's killers and Mussolini's thugs by all those dreary old bourgeoisie values supported by a mighty host of tanks, planes, bombs, etc.

[keefr22]

I have never heard of a parmo before as they don't serve them here, but clearly I've been missing out.i

You're not alone there PC, they ain't local to this part of the UK either, & I wonder if I'm missing out too now! Only Parmesan I've heard of is the delicious smelly Italian hard cheese we sprinkle on Spag Bol.! I think you'd get blank looks asking for that in our local chippie...!!

Keith

[stevehnz]

They turned up everywhere. I believe Hunters piloted by British aircrew were also used to support the SAS in the Dhofar War in the 1970s, which sadly little has been written on.

But what little has been written, you've obviously read, as I think I might have too, I'm sure some/several of the many volumes on the SAS I've read have covered this conflict. Sorry I've been somewhat absent from this thread, your words to pictures ratio has been found wanting again but in a moment of downtime I've managed to catch up some. Carry on with the good work old chap.

Steve.

[TheBaron]

I enjoyed your aside on the Dada movement being rescued by bourgeois societies PC! Not an aspect that is often discussed in art-history narratives of the twentieth century. Having recently re-read Mark Lilla's cautionary 'The Reckless Mind', it reminded me that you definitely need to be careful what you wish for...but then that period in European history was rife with suspect manifestos - look at the Futurists!

[Procopius]

I enjoyed your aside on the Dada movement being rescued by bourgeois societies PC! Not an aspect that is often discussed in art-history narratives of the twentieth century.

I'm a big fan of Orwell's poem "From One Non-Combatant to Another", written in 1942, which reads in part:

For while you write the warships ring you round

And flights of bombers drown the nightingales,

And every bomb that drops is worth a pound

To you or someone like you, for your sales

Are swollen with those of rivals dead or silent,

Whether in Tunis or the B.B.C.,

And in the drowsy freedom of this island

You're free to shout that England isn't free;

They even chuck you cash, as bears get buns,

For crying “Peace!” behind a screen of guns.

Having recently re-read Mark Lilla's cautionary 'The Reckless Mind', it reminded me that you definitely need to be careful what you wish for...

Ooh, that looks rather interesting, I've snaffled a cheap copy. We read Foucault's Discipline and Punish in college, and I saved my copy because I found it, like the curate's egg, excellent in parts. And poor Walter Benjamin, I remember reading Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction and learning of the circumstances his suicide. That said, his essay didn't do much for me. Derrida, OTOH, I found a bit of a boor.

but then that period in European history was rife with suspect manifestos - look at the Futurists!

In Chicago we have a nominally avant-garde theater troupe called the Neo-Futurists who I went to see when I was, oh, probably sixteen or seventeen, because that's what you do to try and impress girls when you're in college (it did not work). Anyhow, I was pretty much the same then as I am now except smaller and even less intelligent, and so after the show I asked them where the actual Futurism was in their ideology; where was Marinetti's "war is beautiful" etc etc and they hemmed and hawed a bit and said it was more about you know, the spirit of Futurism rather than the letter of it. Right, right.

But what little has been written, you've obviously read, as I think I might have too, I'm sure some/several of the many volumes on the SAS I've read have covered this conflict.

I'd be very interested in any books you've read on it that you can recommend -- I have seen hardly anything at all! Sorry there are no pictures in this post.

You're not alone there PC, they ain't local to this part of the UK either, & I wonder if I'm missing out too now! Only Parmesan I've heard of is the delicious smelly Italian hard cheese we sprinkle on Spag Bol.! I think you'd get blank looks asking for that in our local chippie...!!

We have eggplant parmesan here, which I thought might be a relative, but I have a strange allergic reaction to eggplant -- no idea why -- and so never eat it.

[Tomoshenko]

Potential employment opportunity. Good fish and chips in Suffolk too...and cider.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-36793480

[Procopius]

Potential employment opportunity. Good fish and chips in Suffolk too...and cider.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-36793480

I can leave for the airport now. I don't need anything here anymore.

[TheBaron]

I'm a big fan of Orwell's poem "From One Non-Combatant to Another"

My knowledge of Orwell has many gaps in it so I was interested to read this poem. I haven't the quote to hand but I believe it was from his writings also that 'the home-comforts you so enjoy are underwritten by rough men killing each other in far-away fields' Those aren't the exact words but I'll see if I can re-locate the original.

Ooh, that looks rather interesting, I've snaffled a cheap copy.

I hope you enjoy it! John Carey's The Intellectuals and the Masses: Pride and Prejudice Among the Literary Intelligentsia, 1880-1939 was another eye-opener for me in providing an alternative perspective upon 'approved' literary history. As to Benjamin, Foucalt et.al, they seemed to mark the high-water mark for 'BIG' universal cultural theories didn't they? Don't put me off Derrida - I've just gone and shelled out for a copy of his 'The Truth in Painting'!

Good 'Neo-Futurist' anecdote! At least your attempts at impressing the opposite sex had some credibility. As a callow youth I fancied a lass in Scotland so badly that I went line-dancing with her >shudder<

I'll see if Derrida has anything to say about paint-schemes on the Hunter....

Good luck!

Tony

[Beard]

Potential employment opportunity. Good fish and chips in Suffolk too...and cider.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-36793480

Good beer (Adnams Ghost Ship), good bacon, good smoked fish, good sausage rolls (two of the best sausage rolls I've ever eaten were eaten in Suffolk), big skies, quiet roads... what more could you want?

I'll be applying for that job as well so you'll be facing stiff competition.

(Edited to correct the spelling of 'Adnams' - stupid autocorrect and failing eyesight.)

Edited July 18, 2016 by Beard

[Pete in Lincs]

Just played catch up.

I think, were you to build a Hunter in RN markings you may be forgiven.

Rob G will shortly have his passport revoked (probably)

Beard, That's Adnams ghost ship. I deliver the stuff for a living.

The eggplant or aubergine is notoriously inedible and should

only be used for throwing or lobbed away using a catapult.

Oh, the build is coming along nicely though.

[Engineer66]

Young Winston looks mighty fine on his charger. I see he is working on his 'evil deeds are afoot' hand rub

Allow me to introduce you to the Parmesan or 'Parmo'.

Currently due to various export (and H&S) restrictions it is only to be found in Teesside* unless you can obtain a black market version elsewhere in the more salubrious areas of the North East.

Basically it is a chicken fillet, butterflied and spread out until it is the size of a small dinner plate (unless you request a 'Ladies Parmo' which is the size of a tea plate) then coated in breadcrumbs and then liberally coated with bechamel sauce, upon which a layer of cheese is then added (not Parmesan, usually cheddar) and then fried until golden.

This delicacy is then served with a decent portion of chips and a side salad (in the interests of healthy eating of course).

The last one I ordered from my local take away came in a 9 inch pizza box, and the chap had to fold the edges over because it wouldn't fit in! the chips and salad are supplied in another box as they won't fit in with the chicken.

Originally it was only available in take-aways, but over the last few years has found its way onto the menu in pubs and even the odd restaurant.

*Teesside,

A large conurbation straddling the river Tees down river from Stockton-on-Tees.(Stockton used to be classified as County Durham and was home to the worlds first passenger carrying railway) It used to have a Steel industry, and a large chemical industry, and various Ironworks, alas all now gone, It was from here that the Steel came for the Sidney Harbour Bridge, and I am led to believe the bridge over San Francisco Bay (If you believe Chris Rea, a one time Teessider)

I hope that hasn't frightened you off wanting to come over

[Beard]

Beard, That's Adnams ghost ship. I deliver the stuff for a living.

So it is, I blame the autocorrect on my phone and my poor eyesight, thanks for pointing out my mistake.

You deliver it for a living, is that straight from the brewery in Southwold?