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Martin @ AMK Hobby

1/72 - IAI C2/C7 “KFIR” by AMK AvantGarde Model Kits - progress

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20 hours ago, Mikemx said:

 

Hannants are the UK importer for AMK and haven't had any in for weeks....

 

thanks

Mike

I guess Hannants can only get them back in stock if AMK produce another batch. When will that be? We know they have to fit kit production between the companies over work. Looks like they are currently doing the new 1/48 version.

 

I presume Hannants have ordered another lot of these kits as the first ones sold out quickly.

 

Maybe they are on a ship heading to the UK already, Maybe not.

 

Mark

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On 9-12-2017 at 5:51 PM, Diggers11 said:

I guess Hannants can only get them back in stock if AMK produce another batch. When will that be? We know they have to fit kit production between the companies over work.

 

My LHS got a new batch in after I snatched up the first one. 

 

Unfortunately for my fellow local modelers, I snatched up the second batch as well (yes, I like both the original and the AMK kit).  ;)  The Italeri Kfir C.1 / F-21A reissue was in as well, but since that one would set me back 5,- more than the AMK it remained on the shelve..! 

 

Cheers,

 

Andre

 

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11 hours ago, Hook said:

 

My LHS got a new batch in after I snatched up the first one. 

 

Unfortunately for my fellow local modelers, I snatched up the second batch as well (yes, I like both the original and the AMK kit).  ;)  The Italeri Kfir C.1 / F-21A reissue was in as well, but since that one would set me back 5,- more than the AMK it remained on the shelve..! 

 

Cheers,

 

Andre

 

Where is your LHS?, mine I don't think have ever stocked AMK. 

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22 hours ago, Diggers11 said:

Where is your LHS?, mine I don't think have ever stocked AMK.

 

Groningen, the Netherlands.  :)

 

Cheers,

 

Andre

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9 hours ago, Hook said:

 

Groningen, the Netherlands.  :)

 

Cheers,

 

Andre

That's a bit further away than my local LHS in Northampton, England. It's a great model shop but sadly no AMK stocked.

 

Mark

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Two new unstarted for sale on ebay uk at the moment...

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On ‎8‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 00:25, Hook said:

 

  The Italeri Kfir C.1 / F-21A reissue was in as well, but since that one would set me back 5,- more than the AMK it remained on the shelve..! 

 

Cheers,

 

Andre

 

 

 

I didn't know that the old Italeri kit had been re released already, but if you want a Kfir then that kit is not it, there was a reason it has not been redone in the 20 odd years since first put out

Just some of what I think is wrong with it, and it is just my opinion, so ignore if you think otherwise.

 

The nose is far too fat, looks more like a radar nose, get one from the HPM kit and put beside it and you will see what I mean.

The tailpipe is an absolute joke, it's best to hold it in your left hand over a garbage receptacle , and accidently cough so your hand muscles will relax,

The outer elevon fairing which incorporates the pylon is way oversize, the elevon fairings should all be the same size, yet somehow Italeri made their outer one twice the size of the inner one.

The cockpit coaming, and well everything inside the cockpit is just basically wrong.

It would be easier to backdate the AMK kit, you would end up with something that is far better than the Italeri kit.

 

For those wanting a new Mirage III/5, i'm guessing you want AMK to do it purely for what might be a lower price as there is not anything wrong with the Mk III HPM kit.

 

I have been on a bit of a spending splurge with HPM over the last couple of months getting 4 of the dual boxings, one of the Chilean 50DCM, and the new Cyrano boxing and the Venezuelan upgrade,  the kits are not costing me any more than say a Tamiya F-16CJ, and although some may argue that is marginally a better kit, I don't think so.

 

 I did get a couple PJ kits, that did cost me a hell of a lot more in purchase, but I really wanted to do some Belgian ones, and where else will you get all the work done for you on the vertical stab except the PJ resin tail..

 

Sorry if this has been a bit of a thread hijack, but I do love my Mirages.

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I must say that I'm very impressed with the AMK Kfir, and it builds up very nicely :)

Some aftermarket sets in production already from ScaleWorx for the Kfir C.10/CE and the SAAF Cheetah E.

 

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Cheers,

John

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Guys,

 

Resin will always be costly. And if the host kit is affordable, what a bargain! Besides, nobody has a gun to your head to buy ScaleWorx products ;). The material/production costs of an injection molded kit is minimal, while most of the rest of it's price is recovering money invested to have the extremely costly injection molds made. Thousands have to be sold before they see profit. ScaleWorx, my only source of income, has been running for 17 years now, and it has most certainly become more expensive over the years to produce kits. I spend my time scratch building and producing models for other modeler's happiness, sacrificing/depriving my time to build my own stash of +- 400 kits. Come to think of it, the last time I built and completed a model for myself was January 2012! If you have never actually been involved with the production of resin products, here's a few overheads you might have overlooked: .

1. You need a place to work, so rent has to be paid.

2. South Africa is not a cold place, so air conditioning is vital and runs most of the day, using a lot of electricity.

3. Staff do not work for free, so salaries have to be paid.

4. New products have to be researched, scratch built and reverse engineered to user friendly components relatively easy to cast. The only thing worse than a miser, is a rivet counter. So, I have to do my best to provide a quality/accurate product.

5. Rubber and resin is not cheap, can't go without it.

6. "Gas blanket" aerosol (costs more than a 2kg batch of resin!) is a necessity in Cape Town, as moisture ruins resin within 3 days without treatment.

7. Molds only last for approximately 20 to 30 copies, then has to be replaced, and not every cast is successful, which means the mold loses a "life" with every part rejected.

8. Inevitable wastage/spilleage of resin when casting, especially two-part molds.

8. Boxes and packaging materials are essential to purchase, and fuel required in the car to collect.

9. Instructions have to be printed, so cartridges and paper for the printer.

10. Photo-etched parts are made Johannesburg 1300km away from Cape Town, and couriers also adds to the cost.

11. Decals are made in Port Elizabeth 970km away from Cape Town, so it's posted and collected at the post office, which is collected with the car, which also doesn't run on water. If it did, it would probably have cost more, considering Cape Town is under Level 6 water restrictions.

12. Clear plastic for vac-forming purchased and collected. An oven has to run to heat the plastic, which then goes onto the vac-forming machine. More electricity...

13. A lot of time is taken up with packing parts in kits and then in boxes and wrapped to once again drive to the post office.

 

The next time you Google the price of rubber and resin, and think "that's not expensive", think again. I have paid some ridiculous prices for models I've wanted, and did so to satisfy my passion for models, because nobody will put a price tag on my sanity B)

Anyway, that's my two cents worth. Enjoy building the Kfir's! :)

 

Cheers,

John

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Thanks for all the explanation, it's better for me to understand the price !

i would want to do all versions of exotic mirage III, but i have to choose, now !

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