USAF T-bird Orange

[RidgeRunner]

Hi all,

I have another build underway and it is for an overall "international orange" USAF T-bird. I use Humbrol so is their 209 appropriate? I would undercoat/primer with white. I'd appreciate your advice. Thanks.

Martin

[RidgeRunner]

This is the type of red/orange I mean... any ideas? Thanks

[JosephLalor]

FS12197 International Orange isn't fluorescent so I wouldn't go with Hu209. I'm not sure there's anything on the nail in the Humbrol range; the nearest matches straight from the tin would be 18 Orange or 82 BR Lining Orange - perhaps cutting with a hint of red might help. However FS12197 is available in the Xtracolor range.

[TheRealMrEd]

I loaded a copy of your photo into Photoshop, and the color seems closest to plain ol' International Orange, albeit very faded. This paint turns to a chalky-looking paint pretty quickly when constantly exposed to sunlight.

I work only with enamels, but for this color, I would used Model Master #2731 Chevrolet Engine Red enamel as a base. When dry, I would over-paint with a mixture of about 5% flat white/95% thinner and airbrush a couple of coats, letting each dry. Get the color right, the either glass clearcoat or dip the decals in Future to make them stick to the flat paint. The latter is probably the best option, as the aircraft seems to have had the marking freshly applied to the weathered orange. Note the extra fading on the nosegear door.

Metalizer used to make this color, but I don't know who else might make it today.

Good luck,

Ed

Edited May 27, 2016 by TheRealMrEd

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks both. Great advice!

[TheRealMrEd]

For comparison sake:

Int'l Orange on left, GM red on right, neither aged nor faded.

Ed

[Pat C]

Hi Martin - you may find the thread below of interest.

Pat

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942029-how-orange-is-international-orange-supposed-to-be/?hl=international

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks for all, chaps.

[AMB]

For comparison sake:

Int'l Orange on left, GM red on right, neither aged nor faded.

Ed

That's not Int'l Orange on the left, that's dayglo/fluorescent red-orange.

[71chally]

I've always used Humbrol 18 for International Orange.

[DDELK]

This is my F-86D that I just finished. I'm not sure if this is the color your looking for, but I used MM fluorescent orange to give me the "day glo orange" look

[71chally]

International Orange isn't flourescent/dayglo orange, it is a flat orange finish.

[e8n2]

International Orange isn't flourescent/dayglo orange, it is a flat orange finish.

Actually it is a gloss paint, not flat. The leading 1 in 12197 indicates a gloss paint. But we all knew what you were getting at!

Later,

Dave

[TheRealMrEd]

AMB, you right. I finally dug out the old paint bottle (now dried out!) and it is DayGlo. my mistake.

Ed

[71chally]

Actually it is a gloss paint, not flat. The leading 1 in 12197 indicates a gloss paint. But we all knew what you were getting at!

Later,

Dave

Bad choice of words on my part! Yes 'straight' glossy finish

[Junchan]

1978 and later editions of the T.O. 1-1-4 specified Arctic Markings for trainers as 12197 (International Orange).

However, 1968 edition specified Conspicuity/Arctic Markings as Code 633, Fluorescent Red Orange.

Therefore you can finish your T-bird in either International Orange or Florescent (Dayglo) Red Orange depending on the time frame.

Jun in Tokyo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums

Edited June 6, 2016 by Junchan

[Pat C]

.....and an interesting reminder that the "USAF" markings are blue, not black!

Pat

[Junchan]

Here are examples of T-33As in International Orange and Dayglo Red Orange.

http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1044350

Jun in Tokyo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums